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post #31 of 36 Old 01-30-2013, 01:03 AM
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The presenter in the video needs to slow down and they need to take a microfiber towel over the car before they turn on the high def camera's. I like the styling overall but the honeycomb stuff in the grill has to go. Can you imagine trying to clean that?!
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My 07 Matrix XR did have the older 30/36 sticker in the window when I bought it & I averaged 34+ mpg over the 55k miles that I put on it. The 2nd gen got lower mpg as most of them had the 2.4L engine that got worse mpg. Only the base model had the 1.8L . Most of the 2nd gen Matrix models that I see are the S/XRS with the 2.4L in them.

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I think the new Corolla's honey comb grill is easier to clean than my 2001 Toyota Avalon grill. It's bigger and wider than a tooth brush so cleaning it shouldn't be a problem.
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Right going by the numbers I looked at, and could see, it appeared worse to me. I will go along with it getting the same city/hwy number as the old model, according to the website. It gained in combined so that's an improvment, but not the kind of improvment I would expect, especially back then I don't think the window sticker showed a combined MPG.
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I think we might seen a toned down version of the honeycomb grill, but I doubt we will see a light behind some of the grill.

I'm pretty anxious to see how roomy the interior will be with the gain in wheelbase and length. I would like to see VW Jetta type of room in the backseat.
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Beating the EPA numbers is nothing special the EPA lists my Impreza as 18/26 even though I consistently get 25 mpg with my commute being 100% city. Cressida exceeded EPA numbers significantly especially on highway. The only reason to use them is all cars are put through the same conditions to produce those numbers, they tend to give a good idea which model will be more efficient over the other for the regular driver who's not very good at driving.

As for the 2nd gen getting lower mpg, you can't make a blanket statement the car produces worse mpg when the engine choices aren't the same. The only conclusive way to note the car is worse on fuel economy is using similar engines and the only similar engine is the 1.8L and they can be compared and in this case the 2nd gen is better, albeit slightly. Using the 2.4L and saying this is the reason its worse on mpg is just silly, you note most of the Matrix's in your area are 2.4Ls but I see more 1.8s. The 1.8 engine is there for those concerned about fuel economy, if Toyota eliminated this engine then yes you can technically conclude the car is worse on fuel economy for the lack of engine choice as the reason.

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