No 8th Gen Celi in NA but..... - Toyota Nation Forum : Toyota Car and Truck Forums

Merciles · 08-07-2004, 07:19 AM

A couple of weeks ago toyota officially anounced the death of the celica in North America but it was pretty obvious that they would continue it overseas.

From what a japanese magazine says, the 8th gen will be released in 2006 with the top model having 250 hp AWD 2AZ-GTE. It also states that the concept of the 8th Gen was presented at the australian auto show.

Here is a link the to a pic:

Check out this concept

IMO, it makes sense that this could possibly be the 8th Gen concept but my question is, if they were using a 2AZ-GTE, why not use the 3S-GTE? Does the 2AZ have any advantages and are there currently any cars using a turboed 2AZ?

This is just a discussion thread. Obviously this information may not be true so please do not state that as I think many people enjoy having an interesting discussion.

Talisman · 08-07-2004, 11:54 AM

I am going to be really pissed if japan gets a turbo awd mahine and we don't. Toyota keeps giving us all this fwd bull$hit. Don't they see how well the WRX and EVO are doing? The old Celicas failed because they were "girl cars". People looking for real performance don't buy fwd cars, and the 1.8 engine had to be driven like a maniac just to get the car to run low 15's. Then there were issues with it leaving the powerband after shifts. Not impressive at all.

The obvious benefit to the 2az-gte over the 3sgte is displacement. It's a 2.4 liter vs. a 2.0 liter. No cars currently use this engine(the G head turbo version at least) since it would be brand new but the powerband on it would have to be extremely torquey and very wide. People with Hi power turbo MR2's often run into the problem of the power delivery being much too peaky. This SHOULD be a non-issue with the 2az-gte.

I hope that if this car is realized, the awd version is brought to the U.S. They should keep the fwd version of the celica dead here, but I think Toyota could really make some money(or at least create an image) off a limited production awd turbo sports car.

You know what would be really awesome though? If they gave the tC awd and that engine.

The engine would fit in the car no problem, all they would need to do is get the awd to work.

Toy-Yoda · 08-07-2004, 12:17 PM

Damn this man.....everytime something good comes out of the Toyota camp, its never released here in north america (or at least Canada)....we were lucky to get the supra and gt4 celica back then...(I woulda loved to see the gt4 6gen celica here)...since then there had been no power players for Toyota NA. Its too bad....

kenratboy · 08-08-2004, 12:58 AM

I guess Subaru will get my cash. After riding in that STi piloted by a good driver, I was SOLD.

Even a WRX - $25k and a good, solid car.

Merciles · 08-08-2004, 05:07 AM

My only beef with the tC is that is much too heavy. I believe they added additional beams to the car to make it much safer and the glass roof is nice but probably contributes to it's overweight.

Kensuke · 08-08-2004, 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by Merciles
IMO, it makes sense that this could possibly be the 8th Gen concept but my question is, if they were using a 2AZ-GTE, why not use the 3S-GTE? Does the 2AZ have any advantages and are there currently any cars using a turboed 2AZ?

Larger displacement. Newer technology. Aluminum Block (S series is iron).

I suspect Toyota will be phasing out the S series soon anyways. It was a great engine for it's day, but technology marches on.

Part of the reason why the 3S-GTE was kept alive so long is because it met the requirements for WRC. Which stipulates a 2.0L turbocharged four-banger (like the Lan Evo, WRX, and earlier Celicas). Now that Toyota no longer participates in WRC, they can pretty much stick any displacement engine in they want to.

- John

kenratboy · 08-09-2004, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by Merciles
My only beef with the tC is that is much too heavy. I believe they added additional beams to the car to make it much safer and the glass roof is nice but probably contributes to it's overweight.

I would like a NO SUNROOF option on the Scion.

The last thing a car needs is the weight and raised center of gravity of a sunroof.

Sportivo Concepts · 08-14-2004, 11:58 PM

unfortnately thats not a Celica concept and is not touring anywhere, it was mainly a project for Toyota of Australia and Hella Lighting Corp to do.

As for the 8th Gen Celi having a 2az, its not gonna happend there is another engine that they are gonna be using the 2.5L 1JZ-FSE with an upgradeable option of the 1JZ-GTE both of them are ECT-iE, and is a very strong and very reliable.... The 1JZ-FSE is pushing 250hp while the 1JZ-GTE is at 378hp.

4Aaron GE · 08-15-2004, 12:09 AM

They're putting a straight 6 into the next Celica??? That's not very Celica like at all. In fact, I'd say it's more Celica-Supra... hmm....

Talisman · 08-15-2004, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by Sportivo Concepts
unfortnately thats not a Celica concept and is not touring anywhere, it was mainly a project for Toyota of Australia and Hella Lighting Corp to do.

As for the 8th Gen Celi having a 2az, its not gonna happend there is another engine that they are gonna be using the 2.5L 1JZ-FSE with an upgradeable option of the 1JZ-GTE both of them are ECT-iE, and is a very strong and very reliable.... The 1JZ-FSE is pushing 250hp while the 1JZ-GTE is at 378hp.

I call BS on that. I would be extremely surprised to see them stick a 6 in the Celica.

Sportivo Concepts · 08-15-2004, 01:15 AM

why not?... its not the first time they threw it in a coupe over there, plus its FWD

Talisman · 08-15-2004, 02:58 AM

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Originally posted by Sportivo Concepts
why not?... its not the first time they threw it in a coupe over there, plus its FWD

fwd? Do you mean rwd? No auto manufacturer is going to try and stick 300hp in a fwd car. Also, I think you meant 278hp, not 378hp. But I still do not thinkt hey will do that. I thinkt he Celica with stay 4 cyl powered and I think anything in the 300hp range will probably be whatever Toyota comes out with to combat the 350z, RX8, etc.

Rolla97 · 08-15-2004, 04:13 AM

That would be cool if they put the 1JZ in the celica, but it'd have to be AWD/RWD. who's gonna buy a 250+ HP FWD car?

Kensuke · 08-15-2004, 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by Sportivo Concepts
why not?... its not the first time they threw it in a coupe over there, plus its FWD

I think that's the point, straight sixes and front wheel drive historically don't mix. Even for Toyota. In fact, FF really hurt I6 development. It would be a tight fit mounted traversely. Even at 2.5 liters.

Now if you had said V6, that would sound more plausible, although I agree with the other posters that it would certainly derail the Celica legacy.

- John

Sportivo Concepts · 08-15-2004, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Talisman18
fwd? Do you mean rwd? No auto manufacturer is going to try and stick 300hp in a fwd car. Also, I think you meant 278hp, not 378hp. But I still do not thinkt hey will do that. I thinkt he Celica with stay 4 cyl powered and I think anything in the 300hp range will probably be whatever Toyota comes out with to combat the 350z, RX8, etc.

No I mean FWD..... same goes alot of their other cars,
Okay I stand corrected, torque is 378 at 2,400rpm with it producing little over 200hp at 6200rpm.

But believe it or not Toyota has alot of FWD drive cars that at pushing 200-300hps.

The 1J is a very important engine to toyota and while it may not seem plausable it is possible.

there are other engines that they may use but word has it they are thinking about putting a 6 in it.

They may offer stagger enigne options with 2 4cyl and 1 6 or 1 4cy and 2 6cyls....