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One is better at being a car and one is better at being an SUV.

The cargo area and features would likely outweigh the horsepower and handling advantages.

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Buyer profiles:
CX5: buyer now with a growing family who has owned sporty cars like a Miata, VW GTI that is likely to values driving experience, again catering to a niche.

RAV4: repeat Toyota buyer, or a shopper that has owned Camrys, Accords or other midsize sedans that are used for commuting and everyday life, and is cross-shopping it against the CRV, Escape or other mainstream small SUV.

I would think that the RAV4 still has the cargo area advantage, though you can get a decently equipped CX5 Touring with HIDs and Tom-Tom Navigation for around 28K. The XLE isn't badly priced either for around 26K with Entune/Nav. My sister and BIL just bought a 14 CRV with leather for 28K, but it wasn't super equipped as either a comparable RAV or CX5.

And yes, the RAV4 will outsell the CX5 as always because there are more buyer profile types that fit the latter than the former, with Toyota having a huge dealer network
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Not having driven them yet, it still doesn't look like the CX-5 has a good or even sporty driving experience. It is just better than the RAV-4. So the owner of a Miata or whatever is still going to be unimpressed.

That buyer should just move to a Mazda 3 or Mazda 6 Wagon.

The Rav4 does have the cargo area advantage by a lot.

I see this as one of the few times Mazda is building a stupid vehicle. Not really good at anything or cheap either when looking at the actual use of the vehicle.

I think the RAV4 kicks the crap out of it.

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Well, the "journalists" were mostly impressed with the CX5 if they voted it ahead of the RAV, as it has the qualities that they desire, and not that of a regular consumer. But I think the only way to be impressed is to actually go drive one rather than armchair it.
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RAV4 for the win, 'nough said
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says the people who buy their cars to only drive them when they need to and park them most of the time. Actually, Escape and CR-V outsell both cars here.

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I think both are great. how boring if we all had the same appliance. Some appliances are unbearable boring i.e. Toyota and other appliances have some spunk to them

Its nice that automakers will cater to some niche's while being mainstream about it. Of course i"m not for pseudo crap either. Toyota is the everything to everyone maker hence watered down product. But that's the name of the game.

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Does a Niche exist for slightly sporty, N/A 4 Cyl, 30K, compact CUV's? It was one second faster around a track then a RAV4 which is the opposite of sporty.

I just can't imagine someone getting into and saying, "Wow this handles great so I'll overlook the options and cargo space."

It may be MORE sporty than the RAV4 but a compact CUV is to sporty as an independent party candidate is to President.

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Its a niche for sure. The fact that CX5s aren't heavily discounted must mean something. Mazda is the anti-Toyota/Honda.

Toyota created some markets themselves right? If there was no RX, the Europeans wouldn't be selling SUVs.
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Unfortunately it could succeed for the same reason CUVs exist in the first place. You sacrifice fuel economy, acceleration, handling, low running costs, and price...all for some ride height over a normal car. Logically...the CUV class is simply silly and pointless. If all the person wants is enough hatch and liked how the CX-5 drives...then that will be it in choosing it over the RAV4.

I mean look at the Dodge Journey, its a terrible terrible vehicle. Does every single measurable area worse than the Caravan. Even subjective stuff like driving better or comfort is better in the Caravan. For only $500 you get a massively better vehicle in the Caravan. Instead the Caravan is only bought for fleets, probably half of all Caravans are fleet vehicles making the Journey for some reason the one people buy...even though in pretty much every measurable way its simply worse.

I can see the logic in people buying Corollas, Camrys and Accords. The CUV market though...logic need not apply as they're not particularly logical vehicles to begin with.

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Right and how many of these people are there?

The likely decision maker will be styling and loyalty. People who love Mazda or hate Toyota and like the way it looks compared to the others will buy it.

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The point I am making is that CUV's are niche in their own way. The CX-5 isn't a niche CUV. It is an average CUV with a slightly different take than the others just like most midsized cars. The MazdaSpeed 3, Subaru STi, Jetta GLI and Golf GTI, Accord Coupe, and Murano Convertible are niche.

The CX-5 is just another CUV. This is evident in just how similar it was in the comparison test (again RAV4 is 1.5 seconds slower yet the RAV4 is slightly heavier, slightly more roomy, and slightly less powerful which are all contributors to the ever so slightly different time). Based on their test the CX-5 won. Based on someone else's test (like mine for example) it probably would have lost.

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Exactly. Nothing wrong with that.






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