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sy [SC³] · 03-15-2002, 02:31 AM

This is what you wrote before:

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i don't know if i'd put a 3sgte in because it has no torque.

Now you're saying no boost = no torque? That would be the 3S-GE, which is N/A (but that's not the engine we're talking about here). The fact remains that the 3S-GTE makes more torque than the 1MZ.

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speedemn · 03-15-2002, 03:56 AM

Someone, PLEASE post a dyno of a 3S-GTE for F1 Chris to see how much torque it has at low end, and shut him up ("no boost = no torque&quot

I don't even have that engine (YET) and that ignorance is annoying. Do some research dude... we don't drive Hondas here.

Jzs147-RR · 03-15-2002, 08:46 AM

Stock VS stock the 3sgte wins hands down..

F1 Chris · 03-15-2002, 01:58 PM

i have dyno sheets! a 3sgte with manual boost controller and intake makes 100 torque at 2.5k, 130@3k, 160@3.5k, 180@4k, 199@4.3k. the 1mz with intake and exhaust puts out 175-196 from 1.5-4.5k. so you have to rev it up to 4k to get the same amount of torque. and these are just full throttle sheets. If the turbo were able to spool up real quickly (like Saab's) then it would be a different story.

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speedemn · 03-15-2002, 06:06 PM

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On 2002-03-15 14:58, F1 Chris wrote:
the 1mz with intake and exhaust puts out 175-196 from 1.5-4.5k.

Are you on crack? I posted 4 dyno sheets of our members who did dynos at DPE. NONE of them are at 175 even at peak torque, leave alone 1.5K! You sure you aren't reading the dyno upside down or something?

Secondly, the 1MZ-FE is a lot weaker low end compared to the 3ZV-FE because of the cams and the shift towards economy over performance in the mid-late 90's.

Research a little harder. 3S-GTE wins hands down no matter what RPM, speed, blah, blah and blah you look at!

F1 Chris · 03-15-2002, 07:10 PM

i'm looking at Tiem's properly tuned v6 camry 5 speed, vs a 5 speed 93 MR2. dyno's with high mileage on their engines obviously won't be as good. i've seen the dyno's.

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On 2002-03-15 19:06, speedemn wrote:

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On 2002-03-15 14:58, F1 Chris wrote:
the 1mz with intake and exhaust puts out 175-196 from 1.5-4.5k.

Are you on crack? I posted 4 dyno sheets of our members who did dynos at DPE. NONE of them are at 175 even at peak torque, leave alone 1.5K! You sure you aren't reading the dyno upside down or something?

Secondly, the 1MZ-FE is a lot weaker low end compared to the 3ZV-FE because of the cams and the shift towards economy over performance in the mid-late 90's.

Research a little harder. 3S-GTE wins hands down no matter what RPM, speed, blah, blah and blah you look at!

speedemn · 03-15-2002, 09:48 PM

Yeah I can take a 1988 Corolla DX and tune it to give 500WHP if I had the money... what's your point? Compare stock to stock or its like comparing apples to oranges. You might as well go check the respective owner's pocketbooks to compare who has more power, instead of wasting your time with tuned dynos.

The debate was over 3S-GTE ENGINE vs 1MZ-FE engine... compare stock to stock to get a representative result. I've taken years of stats, don't argue with me here. :smile:

F1 Chris · 03-16-2002, 01:02 AM

properly tuned means having decent spark plugs, wires, etc. tiem's run was stock, except for a trd muffler. his car was basically stock, no AFC, no S/C.

you're trying to compare old 1MZ and 3VZ dyno's. where's the logic behind that? i've seen dyno's of auto 1mzfe's as well, and they've made a heck of a lot more than 100lb-ft torque at 2500rpm. common sense does not need to be argued.

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The debate was over 3S-GTE ENGINE vs 1MZ-FE engine... compare stock to stock to get a representative result. I've taken years of stats, don't argue with me here. :smile:

speedemn · 03-16-2002, 02:12 AM

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On 2002-03-16 02:02, F1 Chris wrote:
you're trying to compare old 1MZ and 3VZ dyno's. where's the logic behind that? i've seen dyno's of auto 1mzfe's as well, and they've made a heck of a lot more than 100lb-ft torque at 2500rpm. common sense does not need to be argued.

*sigh* just........ just nevermind. 3S-GTE is faster than 1MZ-FE any day, any way, period.

I wasn't comparing the 1MZ-FE head to head against the 3VZ-FE... I was comparing the 3S-GTE to a V6 Camry... hence mentioning the 2 V6 Camry engines.

If you still want to argue pointlessly, message me and stop wasting bandwidth on TN.

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F1 Chris · 03-16-2002, 03:37 AM

Still, nobody has bothered to directly comment on my original comment. Either it can't be argued or nobody even understands what I was tryin to say. Oh well :smile:

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