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Old 10-05-2005, 10:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Tapping Prius clock power?

Here I am again with another enquiry about tapping into existing 12V
power lines in my '05 Prius. This time it's the dashboard clock. I need
an always-on 12V line for a low-power after-market accessory. I believe
I can tap the associated fuse in the fusebox by the driver's left shin,
but the clock is closer to the accessory. I'm willing to sacrifice the
clock if necessary, because I've already mounted a more legible
silver-cell clock atop the LCD panel.

Any thoughts on how to gain access to the back of the factory-installed
clock?

Brent
 
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Old 10-05-2005, 11:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:051020052324349110%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...[color=blue]
> Here I am again with another enquiry about tapping into existing 12V
> power lines in my '05 Prius. This time it's the dashboard clock. I need
> an always-on 12V line for a low-power after-market accessory. I believe
> I can tap the associated fuse in the fusebox by the driver's left shin,
> but the clock is closer to the accessory. I'm willing to sacrifice the
> clock if necessary, because I've already mounted a more legible
> silver-cell clock atop the LCD panel.
>
> Any thoughts on how to gain access to the back of the factory-installed
> clock?
>
> Brent[/color]

I'm not aware of how to remove the clock in the Prius but be aware that the
clock gets power from 2 sources - 1 always on and 1 that comes on with the
accessory or ignition to make the display illuminate. The same is true of
the radio.

It is probably a lot easier to use one of those fuse taps that fit around
the blade of the fuse and run the wire under the dashboard.
--
Ray O
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Old 10-06-2005, 05:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Tapping Prius clock power?

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:35:08 -0500, Ray O wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:051020052324349110%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...[color=green]
>> Here I am again with another enquiry about tapping into existing 12V
>> power lines in my '05 Prius. This time it's the dashboard clock. I need
>> an always-on 12V line for a low-power after-market accessory. I believe
>> I can tap the associated fuse in the fusebox by the driver's left shin,
>> but the clock is closer to the accessory. I'm willing to sacrifice the
>> clock if necessary, because I've already mounted a more legible
>> silver-cell clock atop the LCD panel.
>>
>> Any thoughts on how to gain access to the back of the factory-installed
>> clock?
>>
>> Brent[/color]
>
> I'm not aware of how to remove the clock in the Prius but be aware that the
> clock gets power from 2 sources - 1 always on and 1 that comes on with the
> accessory or ignition to make the display illuminate. The same is true of
> the radio.
>
> It is probably a lot easier to use one of those fuse taps that fit around
> the blade of the fuse and run the wire under the dashboard.[/color]


Probably a lot SAFER, too.

The clock is a VERY low current application. You're better off installing
one of those fuse-blade-thingys like Ray says, and adding a fuse in-line
to boot. Both can be had at AutoZone or CarQuest.
 
Old 10-06-2005, 06:14 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Tapping Prius clock power?

In article <pan.2005.10.06.10.32.26.379351@ae86.gts>, Hachiroku
<Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:35:08 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>[color=green]
> >
> > "Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:051020052324349110%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...[color=darkred]
> >> Here I am again with another enquiry about tapping into existing 12V
> >> power lines in my '05 Prius. This time it's the dashboard clock. I need
> >> an always-on 12V line for a low-power after-market accessory. I believe
> >> I can tap the associated fuse in the fusebox by the driver's left shin,
> >> but the clock is closer to the accessory. I'm willing to sacrifice the
> >> clock if necessary, because I've already mounted a more legible
> >> silver-cell clock atop the LCD panel.
> >>
> >> Any thoughts on how to gain access to the back of the factory-installed
> >> clock?
> >>
> >> Brent[/color]
> >
> > I'm not aware of how to remove the clock in the Prius but be aware that the
> > clock gets power from 2 sources - 1 always on and 1 that comes on with the
> > accessory or ignition to make the display illuminate. The same is true of
> > the radio.
> >
> > It is probably a lot easier to use one of those fuse taps that fit around
> > the blade of the fuse and run the wire under the dashboard.[/color]
>
>
> Probably a lot SAFER, too.
>
> The clock is a VERY low current application. You're better off installing
> one of those fuse-blade-thingys like Ray says, and adding a fuse in-line
> to boot. Both can be had at AutoZone or CarQuest.[/color]

All my add-ons are low-power, so normally I add the tap to the fuse's
downstream blade. That way, the original fuse assumes the additional
responsibility for protecting the new load. So far I've had no problems
from that approach, but you're absolutely correct that an additional
fuse dedicated to the new device is better practice.

Thank you.

Brent
 
Old 10-06-2005, 06:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Tapping Prius clock power?

In article <d06a4$4344a997$180fead6$19770@msgid.meganewsservers.com>,
Ray O <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:051020052324349110%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...[color=green]
> > Here I am again with another enquiry about tapping into existing 12V
> > power lines in my '05 Prius. This time it's the dashboard clock. I need
> > an always-on 12V line for a low-power after-market accessory. I believe
> > I can tap the associated fuse in the fusebox by the driver's left shin,
> > but the clock is closer to the accessory. I'm willing to sacrifice the
> > clock if necessary, because I've already mounted a more legible
> > silver-cell clock atop the LCD panel.
> >
> > Any thoughts on how to gain access to the back of the factory-installed
> > clock?
> >
> > Brent[/color]
>
> I'm not aware of how to remove the clock in the Prius but be aware that the
> clock gets power from 2 sources - 1 always on and 1 that comes on with the
> accessory or ignition to make the display illuminate. The same is true of
> the radio.[/color]

Yes, thank you for the reminder.
[color=blue]
> It is probably a lot easier to use one of those fuse taps that fit around
> the blade of the fuse and run the wire under the dashboard.[/color]

Absolutely. One complication is that the fusebox in the Prius's cabin
has a snap-on lid that hugs the top of the fuses. For safety I can't
use a scheme that leaves the box unlidded. I've abandoned the idea of
accessing the clock's connector, though.

Toyota's blade-style fuses are smaller than the ones I'm familiar with
from earlier American cars. I'm glad to know the taps are available for
these as well.

I'll take your advice.

Brent
 
Old 10-06-2005, 10:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Tapping Prius clock power?

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:14:35 -0400, Brent Secombe wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <pan.2005.10.06.10.32.26.379351@ae86.gts>, Hachiroku
> <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:35:08 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> > "Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:051020052324349110%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...
>> >> Here I am again with another enquiry about tapping into existing 12V
>> >> power lines in my '05 Prius. This time it's the dashboard clock. I need
>> >> an always-on 12V line for a low-power after-market accessory. I believe
>> >> I can tap the associated fuse in the fusebox by the driver's left shin,
>> >> but the clock is closer to the accessory. I'm willing to sacrifice the
>> >> clock if necessary, because I've already mounted a more legible
>> >> silver-cell clock atop the LCD panel.
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts on how to gain access to the back of the factory-installed
>> >> clock?
>> >>
>> >> Brent
>> >
>> > I'm not aware of how to remove the clock in the Prius but be aware that the
>> > clock gets power from 2 sources - 1 always on and 1 that comes on with the
>> > accessory or ignition to make the display illuminate. The same is true of
>> > the radio.
>> >
>> > It is probably a lot easier to use one of those fuse taps that fit around
>> > the blade of the fuse and run the wire under the dashboard.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Probably a lot SAFER, too.
>>
>> The clock is a VERY low current application. You're better off installing
>> one of those fuse-blade-thingys like Ray says, and adding a fuse in-line
>> to boot. Both can be had at AutoZone or CarQuest.[/color]
>
> All my add-ons are low-power, so normally I add the tap to the fuse's
> downstream blade. That way, the original fuse assumes the additional
> responsibility for protecting the new load. So far I've had no problems
> from that approach, but you're absolutely correct that an additional
> fuse dedicated to the new device is better practice.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Brent[/color]


WOW! I thoiught I was the only one that did that! Bravo!

BTW, isn't there an outlet in the console? Do you have a Power Plug? If
so, you could stop in at Radio Shack and get an adapter that plugs into
the socke and doubles or triples it.

Traditionally, Toyota clocks just pull out from the dash, if you can get a
grip on it! I can't recall the position of the Prius' clock.
 
Old 10-06-2005, 09:48 PM   #7 (permalink)
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In article <pan.2005.10.06.16.13.02.913732@ae86.gts>, Hachiroku
<Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 07:14:35 -0400, Brent Secombe wrote:
>[color=green]
> > In article <pan.2005.10.06.10.32.26.379351@ae86.gts>, Hachiroku
> > <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:35:08 -0500, Ray O wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > "Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> > news:051020052324349110%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...
> >> >> Here I am again with another enquiry about tapping into existing 12V
> >> >> power lines in my '05 Prius. This time it's the dashboard clock. I need
> >> >> an always-on 12V line for a low-power after-market accessory. I believe
> >> >> I can tap the associated fuse in the fusebox by the driver's left shin,
> >> >> but the clock is closer to the accessory. I'm willing to sacrifice the
> >> >> clock if necessary, because I've already mounted a more legible
> >> >> silver-cell clock atop the LCD panel.
> >> >>
> >> >> Any thoughts on how to gain access to the back of the factory-installed
> >> >> clock?
> >> >>
> >> >> Brent
> >> >
> >> > I'm not aware of how to remove the clock in the Prius but be aware that
> >> > the
> >> > clock gets power from 2 sources - 1 always on and 1 that comes on with
> >> > the
> >> > accessory or ignition to make the display illuminate. The same is true
> >> > of
> >> > the radio.
> >> >
> >> > It is probably a lot easier to use one of those fuse taps that fit
> >> > around
> >> > the blade of the fuse and run the wire under the dashboard.
> >>
> >>
> >> Probably a lot SAFER, too.
> >>
> >> The clock is a VERY low current application. You're better off installing
> >> one of those fuse-blade-thingys like Ray says, and adding a fuse in-line
> >> to boot. Both can be had at AutoZone or CarQuest.[/color]
> >
> > All my add-ons are low-power, so normally I add the tap to the fuse's
> > downstream blade. That way, the original fuse assumes the additional
> > responsibility for protecting the new load. So far I've had no problems
> > from that approach, but you're absolutely correct that an additional
> > fuse dedicated to the new device is better practice.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Brent[/color]
>
>
> WOW! I thoiught I was the only one that did that! Bravo!
>
> BTW, isn't there an outlet in the console? Do you have a Power Plug? If
> so, you could stop in at Radio Shack and get an adapter that plugs into
> the socke and doubles or triples it.[/color]

Yes, there are two 12V sockets: one below the dash by the front
passenger's left shin and one inside the center console. Those are
excellent sites, but both circuits are conditioned on the state of the
ignition. I'd love to switch them over to always-on, because sometimes
we use them to charge our cellphones. They could be charging when we're
away from the car too. Would it be costly for Toyota to to allow a
toggling between ignition and battery modes for the sockets?

As of now I have a two-from-one adapter in the dash socket. It's an
offset design, so both of the adapter's new sockets lie against the
strange half-tube that extends from the dash down to the floor. They're
nicely out of the passenger's way.
[color=blue]
> Traditionally, Toyota clocks just pull out from the dash, if you can get a
> grip on it! I can't recall the position of the Prius' clock.[/color]

<Hehe> Don't get me started! The Prius clock is too small, too dim and
too far from the driver's natural line of sight to allow a quick
reading. I bought a cheap LCD clock with 1" numerals and mounted it
atop the molehill. All occupants can see it at a glance.

So now I have no further need for the Prius's original clock, hence the
enquiry about kidnapping its 12V source.

I appreciate the time you and Ray are taking to respond to my posting.
I have a lot to learn.

Brent
 
Old 10-06-2005, 11:05 PM   #8 (permalink)
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"Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:061020050727344110%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...[color=blue]
> In article <d06a4$4344a997$180fead6$19770@msgid.meganewsservers.com>,
> Ray O <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:051020052324349110%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...[color=darkred]
>> > Here I am again with another enquiry about tapping into existing 12V
>> > power lines in my '05 Prius. This time it's the dashboard clock. I need
>> > an always-on 12V line for a low-power after-market accessory. I believe
>> > I can tap the associated fuse in the fusebox by the driver's left shin,
>> > but the clock is closer to the accessory. I'm willing to sacrifice the
>> > clock if necessary, because I've already mounted a more legible
>> > silver-cell clock atop the LCD panel.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts on how to gain access to the back of the factory-installed
>> > clock?
>> >
>> > Brent[/color]
>>
>> I'm not aware of how to remove the clock in the Prius but be aware that
>> the
>> clock gets power from 2 sources - 1 always on and 1 that comes on with
>> the
>> accessory or ignition to make the display illuminate. The same is true
>> of
>> the radio.[/color]
>
> Yes, thank you for the reminder.
>[color=green]
>> It is probably a lot easier to use one of those fuse taps that fit around
>> the blade of the fuse and run the wire under the dashboard.[/color]
>
> Absolutely. One complication is that the fusebox in the Prius's cabin
> has a snap-on lid that hugs the top of the fuses. For safety I can't
> use a scheme that leaves the box unlidded. I've abandoned the idea of
> accessing the clock's connector, though.
>
> Toyota's blade-style fuses are smaller than the ones I'm familiar with
> from earlier American cars. I'm glad to know the taps are available for
> these as well.
>
> I'll take your advice.
>
> Brent[/color]

You're welcome and good luck with your project!

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Old 10-07-2005, 01:05 AM   #9 (permalink)
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:48:34 -0400, Brent Secombe wrote:

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>
> I appreciate the time you and Ray are taking to respond to my posting.
> I have a lot to learn.
>
> Brent[/color]

NP! Unfortunately, my employment with a Toyota dealer ended Monday, so I
don't have access anymore!

Good luck!
 
Old 10-07-2005, 08:45 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Tapping Prius clock power?

Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
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>
>NP! Unfortunately, my employment with a Toyota dealer ended Monday, so I
>don't have access anymore!
>[/color]

Only the good die young?...too bad Hachi...hope you have
prospects lined up?...
--

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(use gordon in email)
 
Old 10-07-2005, 09:25 AM   #11 (permalink)
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:45:28 +0000, Gord Beaman wrote:
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> Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>NP! Unfortunately, my employment with a Toyota dealer ended Monday, so I
>>don't have access anymore!
>>[/color]
>
> Only the good die young?...too bad Hachi...hope you have
> prospects lined up?...[/color]

Waiting...already had gone for a couple interviews...should here next week
some time...

 
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