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10-08-2005, 10:38 AM

Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix and the
Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
Thanks!

10-08-2005, 10:58 AM

gad wrote:
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> Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix and the
> Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
> Thanks![/color]

Mechanically, they are the same (Toyota running parts). I don't know what's
different on the inside.

Matrix has a longer powertrain warranty (5yrs/60k vs 3yrs/36k). And
although it actually costs a bit less than the Vibe, the Matrix will have
higher resale value, which is important if you change cars every few years.

10-08-2005, 12:25 PM

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 11:58:35 -0400, High Tech Misfit wrote:
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> gad wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix and the
>> Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
>> Thanks![/color]
>
> Mechanically, they are the same (Toyota running parts). I don't know what's
> different on the inside.
>
> Matrix has a longer powertrain warranty (5yrs/60k vs 3yrs/36k). And
> although it actually costs a bit less than the Vibe, the Matrix will have
> higher resale value, which is important if you change cars every few years.[/color]

Matrix has more Delco parts :(

10-08-2005, 03:38 PM

Sure, the total drive home price can be thousands less for the Vibe.
Pontiac dealers are less likely to add a bunch of high priced dealer add-ons
and they are much more likely to offer higher discounts and trade prices, as
well a offer lower interest rates than Toyota dealers. That is probably why
the Vibe outsells the Matrix by such a wide margin. Don't fall for any of
the one is better crap, they are basically the same vehicle except for trim,
no matter who tries to tell you something different.

mike hunt

"gad" <spamless@spamless.com> wrote in message
news:GJR1f.33434$7b6.31783@twister.nyroc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix and the
> Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
> Thanks!
>[/color]

10-08-2005, 04:58 PM

Mike Hunter wrote:[color=blue]
>That is probably why
> the Vibe outsells the Matrix by such a wide margin.[/color]

Mike -
Do you have a good source for sales of these and other cars? Or is
that just a projection based on what you see? I see the Matrix a lot
more often than the Vibe in my part of the country (Florida).

10-08-2005, 05:50 PM

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<bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1128808696.396002.86600@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> Mike Hunter wrote:[color=green]
>>That is probably why
>> the Vibe outsells the Matrix by such a wide margin.[/color]
>
> Mike -
> Do you have a good source for sales of these and other cars? Or is
> that just a projection based on what you see? I see the Matrix a lot
> more often than the Vibe in my part of the country (Florida).
>[/color]

10-08-2005, 11:08 PM

They're built in different factories. One is built with many GM or AC
Delco parts and one is built with Toyota parts. The value of the Vibe
drops about 20% faster in depreciation versus the Matrix.

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:38:14 GMT, "gad" <spamless@spamless.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix and the
>Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
>Thanks!
>[/color]

10-09-2005, 06:28 AM

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 04:08:09 +0000, Whatsup wrote:
[color=blue]
> They're built in different factories. One is built with many GM or AC
> Delco parts and one is built with Toyota parts. The value of the Vibe
> drops about 20% faster in depreciation versus the Matrix.[/color]

Hmmm...I believe they are built side by side in the same plant in
Cambridge, ONT. But you're right about the parts.
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>
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:38:14 GMT, "gad" <spamless@spamless.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix and the
>>Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
>>Thanks!
>>[/color][/color]

10-09-2005, 09:57 AM

Hachi -

The Vibe is built in California, at the NUMMI plant in Fremont I
believe. The Matrix is built at Cambridge.

10-09-2005, 06:56 PM

<Whatsup@hotmail.doc> wrote in message
news:6k5hk1ha2r6h5al1gbhu793e8jl0kqbl8n@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> They're built in different factories. One is built with many GM or AC
> Delco parts and one is built with Toyota parts. The value of the Vibe
> drops about 20% faster in depreciation versus the Matrix.
>
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:38:14 GMT, "gad" <spamless@spamless.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix and the
>>Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
>>Thanks!
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Any idea what parts in particular? The engine in the Vibe I looked at had
Toyota written all over it (literally). Even the oil filter was Toyota.

Reason I ask: We looked at a Matrix on the same day, and the Toyota
salesperson implied that the Vibe was inferior, mostly due to "strengthening
beams" in the doors and roof that are left out of the Vibe. I don't take
this assertion at face value, obviously. On the other hand, it wouldn't
surprise me much if GM cut corners somewhere.

10-09-2005, 07:00 PM

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:56:41 +0000, gad wrote:
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>
> <Whatsup@hotmail.doc> wrote in message
> news:6k5hk1ha2r6h5al1gbhu793e8jl0kqbl8n@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> They're built in different factories. One is built with many GM or AC
>> Delco parts and one is built with Toyota parts. The value of the Vibe
>> drops about 20% faster in depreciation versus the Matrix.
>>
>> On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:38:14 GMT, "gad" <spamless@spamless.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix and the
>>>Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
>>>Thanks!
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
> Any idea what parts in particular? The engine in the Vibe I looked at had
> Toyota written all over it (literally). Even the oil filter was Toyota.
>
> Reason I ask: We looked at a Matrix on the same day, and the Toyota
> salesperson implied that the Vibe was inferior, mostly due to "strengthening
> beams" in the doors and roof that are left out of the Vibe. I don't take
> this assertion at face value, obviously. On the other hand, it wouldn't
> surprise me much if GM cut corners somewhere.[/color]

Like someone here said, Toyota's partnering with GM kind of backfired.
Instead of GM learning how to build cars that last, Toyta has learned to
build cars that aren't as good as they once were...

10-10-2005, 06:46 AM

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:GYmcnb6fjMopwtTeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> That may be your opinion but it is not so, you are looking at MSRP vs.[/color]
used[color=blue]
> retail. If you compare the TRUE cost of each when new, the total drive[/color]
home[color=blue]
> price, you will see the Vibe value used in actually higher than the Matrix
> as a percentage of the original drive home price.[/color]

It sure looks like you're wrong, again:

2006 Pontiac Vibe: $16,430
[url]http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/pontiac/vibe/100536817/prices.html?action=1[/url]

2003 Pontiac Vibe: $10,021
[url]http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/pontiac/vibe/100074071/prices.html[/url]

10,021/16,430 = 61%

2006 Toyota Matrix: $15,110
[url]http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/matrix/100579324/prices.html?action=1[/url]

2003 Toyota Matrix: $10,717
[url]http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/toyota/matrix/100074123/prices.html[/url]

10,717/15,110 = 71%

I leave open the possibility that Toyota and Pontiac price points have
shifted over the past few years. Care to back your claim?

[color=blue]
> The same is true of many
> other Toyota models used values when compare to the actual drive home[/color]
price[color=blue]
> vs. many of its competitors models.
>
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> <Whatsup@hotmail.doc> wrote in message
> news:6k5hk1ha2r6h5al1gbhu793e8jl0kqbl8n@4ax.com...[color=green]
> > They're built in different factories. One is built with many GM or AC
> > Delco parts and one is built with Toyota parts. The value of the Vibe
> > drops about 20% faster in depreciation versus the Matrix.
> >
> > On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:38:14 GMT, "gad" <spamless@spamless.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix and[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
> >>Thanks!
> >>[/color]
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

10-10-2005, 10:58 AM

Obviously you were not a math major ;)

mike hunt

"dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
news:1128945051.524a7528e90196b3408bc81c5ddd2579@teranews...[color=blue]
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:GYmcnb6fjMopwtTeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> That may be your opinion but it is not so, you are looking at MSRP vs.[/color]
> used[color=green]
>> retail. If you compare the TRUE cost of each when new, the total drive[/color]
> home[color=green]
>> price, you will see the Vibe value used in actually higher than the
>> Matrix
>> as a percentage of the original drive home price.[/color]
>
> It sure looks like you're wrong, again:
>
> 2006 Pontiac Vibe: $16,430
> [url]http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/pontiac/vibe/100536817/prices.html?action=1[/url]
>
> 2003 Pontiac Vibe: $10,021
> [url]http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/pontiac/vibe/100074071/prices.html[/url]
>
> 10,021/16,430 = 61%
>
> 2006 Toyota Matrix: $15,110
> [url]http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/matrix/100579324/prices.html?action=1[/url]
>
> 2003 Toyota Matrix: $10,717
> [url]http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/toyota/matrix/100074123/prices.html[/url]
>
> 10,717/15,110 = 71%
>
> I leave open the possibility that Toyota and Pontiac price points have
> shifted over the past few years. Care to back your claim?
>
>[color=green]
>> The same is true of many
>> other Toyota models used values when compare to the actual drive home[/color]
> price[color=green]
>> vs. many of its competitors models.
>>
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>> <Whatsup@hotmail.doc> wrote in message
>> news:6k5hk1ha2r6h5al1gbhu793e8jl0kqbl8n@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>> > They're built in different factories. One is built with many GM or AC
>> > Delco parts and one is built with Toyota parts. The value of the Vibe
>> > drops about 20% faster in depreciation versus the Matrix.
>> >
>> > On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:38:14 GMT, "gad" <spamless@spamless.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix and[/color][/color]
> the[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >>Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
>> >>Thanks!
>> >>
>> >[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

10-10-2005, 12:26 PM

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:46:43 -0500, dh wrote:
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> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:GYmcnb6fjMopwtTeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> That may be your opinion but it is not so, you are looking at MSRP vs.[/color]
> used[color=green]
>> retail. If you compare the TRUE cost of each when new, the total drive[/color]
> home[color=green]
>> price, you will see the Vibe value used in actually higher than the Matrix
>> as a percentage of the original drive home price.[/color]
>
> It sure looks like you're wrong, again:
>
> 2006 Pontiac Vibe: $16,430
> [url]http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/pontiac/vibe/100536817/prices.html?action=1[/url]
>
> 2003 Pontiac Vibe: $10,021
> [url]http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/pontiac/vibe/100074071/prices.html[/url]
>
> 10,021/16,430 = 61%
>
> 2006 Toyota Matrix: $15,110
> [url]http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/matrix/100579324/prices.html?action=1[/url]
>
> 2003 Toyota Matrix: $10,717
> [url]http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/toyota/matrix/100074123/prices.html[/url]
>
> 10,717/15,110 = 71%
>
> I leave open the possibility that Toyota and Pontiac price points have
> shifted over the past few years. Care to back your claim?[/color]

Not that clever are you? Which one of those two cars seems like a better
deal to you again? LOL

10-10-2005, 01:30 PM

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:hhCdnbskmY4WEtfeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Obviously you were not a math major ;)
>
> mike hunt
>[/color]

Oh? Point out the error. My assumption here, in case it wasn't clear, is
that the Pontiac and Toyota hit similar relative price points back when
first introduced. So, as a percentage of value retained, this calculation
is a valid guide. Point out the error or refute the assumption. Provide
evidence.
[color=blue]
> "dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
> news:1128945051.524a7528e90196b3408bc81c5ddd2579@teranews...[color=green]
> > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > news:GYmcnb6fjMopwtTeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=darkred]
> >> That may be your opinion but it is not so, you are looking at MSRP vs.[/color]
> > used[color=darkred]
> >> retail. If you compare the TRUE cost of each when new, the total drive[/color]
> > home[color=darkred]
> >> price, you will see the Vibe value used in actually higher than the
> >> Matrix
> >> as a percentage of the original drive home price.[/color]
> >
> > It sure looks like you're wrong, again:
> >
> > 2006 Pontiac Vibe: $16,430
> >[/color][/color]
[url]http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/pontiac/vibe/100536817/prices.html?action=1[/url][color=blue][color=green]
> >
> > 2003 Pontiac Vibe: $10,021
> > [url]http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/pontiac/vibe/100074071/prices.html[/url]
> >
> > 10,021/16,430 = 61%
> >
> > 2006 Toyota Matrix: $15,110
> >[/color][/color]
[url]http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/matrix/100579324/prices.html?action=1[/url][color=blue][color=green]
> >
> > 2003 Toyota Matrix: $10,717
> > [url]http://www.edmunds.com/used/2003/toyota/matrix/100074123/prices.html[/url]
> >
> > 10,717/15,110 = 71%
> >
> > I leave open the possibility that Toyota and Pontiac price points have
> > shifted over the past few years. Care to back your claim?
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >> The same is true of many
> >> other Toyota models used values when compare to the actual drive home[/color]
> > price[color=darkred]
> >> vs. many of its competitors models.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> mike hunt
> >>
> >>
> >> <Whatsup@hotmail.doc> wrote in message
> >> news:6k5hk1ha2r6h5al1gbhu793e8jl0kqbl8n@4ax.com...
> >> > They're built in different factories. One is built with many GM or AC
> >> > Delco parts and one is built with Toyota parts. The value of the Vibe
> >> > drops about 20% faster in depreciation versus the Matrix.
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:38:14 GMT, "gad" <spamless@spamless.com>[/color][/color][/color]
wrote:[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> >
> >> >>Anyone here know of any sugnificant differences between the Matrix[/color][/color][/color]
and[color=blue][color=green]
> > the[color=darkred]
> >> >>Pontiac Vibe besides the obvious body styling ones?
> >> >>Thanks!
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]