2005 Echo - does it exist

The dealers in my area are saying that either the 2005 or 2006 Echo
doesn't exist, or that they're just not being sold in my region -
Connecticut, USA.

Is anyone getting them?

2003's with 40K are getting MSRP around here!

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Ken Goldman [email]kgold@watson.ibm.com[/email] 914-784-7646

I don't think you'll find one. I saw an 03 in Saybrook/Loernson Toyota-
secondhand- for the same price as I paid for my daughter's Echo new two
years ago. I'd keep away from the Scion xA as an alternative. The mpg is
nowhere as good, although my wife loves hers. On Edmonds.com they note
"limited production" Toyota.com shows the "Yaris" comming in spring 06 as
the replacement. I'd wait till the spring.
"kgold" <kgold@watson.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:434d629e_4@news1.prserv.net...[color=blue]
> The dealers in my area are saying that either the 2005 or 2006 Echo
> doesn't exist, or that they're just not being sold in my region -
> Connecticut, USA.
>
> Is anyone getting them?
>
> 2003's with 40K are getting MSRP around here!
>
> --
> Ken Goldman [email]kgold@watson.ibm.com[/email] 914-784-7646[/color]

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:23:10 +0000, kgold wrote:
[color=blue]
> The dealers in my area are saying that either the 2005 or 2006 Echo
> doesn't exist, or that they're just not being sold in my region -
> Connecticut, USA.
>
> Is anyone getting them?
>
> 2003's with 40K are getting MSRP around here![/color]

Discontinued in the US, but not in Canada!

Go figure. I would guess a 38-45 MPG car would be flying out the door!

check this out

[url]http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yaris.html[/url]
"kgold" <kgold@watson.ibm.com> wrote in message
news:434d629e_4@news1.prserv.net...[color=blue]
> The dealers in my area are saying that either the 2005 or 2006 Echo
> doesn't exist, or that they're just not being sold in my region -
> Connecticut, USA.
>
> Is anyone getting them?
>
> 2003's with 40K are getting MSRP around here!
>
> --
> Ken Goldman [email]kgold@watson.ibm.com[/email] 914-784-7646[/color]

Mark Schofield wrote:[color=blue]
> check this out
>
> [url]http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yaris.html[/url][/color]

Whatever happened to puting the instumentaion in front of the *driver*?

In article <fLh3f.197$Xj4.23490@monger.newsread.com>,
FanJet <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>Mark Schofield wrote:[color=green]
>> check this out
>>
>> [url]http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yaris.html[/url][/color]
>
>Whatever happened to puting the instumentaion in front of the *driver*?
>
>[/color]

Where you had to twist and strain to see it through the steering wheel?

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"Brian Gordon" <briang@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dik9tl$il8$1@reader1.panix.com...[color=blue]
> In article <fLh3f.197$Xj4.23490@monger.newsread.com>,
> FanJet <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=green]
>>Mark Schofield wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> check this out
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yaris.html[/url][/color]
>>
>>Whatever happened to puting the instumentaion in front of the *driver*?
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Where you had to twist and strain to see it through the steering wheel?[/color]

Amen! I'll never go back to left-mounted instrumentation, if I can avoid it

Natalie

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:20:27 +0000, FanJet wrote:
[color=blue]
> Mark Schofield wrote:[color=green]
>> check this out
>>
>> [url]http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yaris.html[/url][/color]
>
> Whatever happened to puting the instumentaion in front of the *driver*?[/color]

1. when you're building a car for the world market, you need two different
dashboards. This way, you make ONE dashboard, and two instrument clusters,
which you would have to do anyway!

2. Ever driven one? After the initial 'shock' of it not being where you
expect, it's actually in a good sot for looking at while you're driving!

What IS unnerving, however, is the lack of illumination of the steering
mounted controls at night; tha stalks and the buttons on the wheel. It's
dark!

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.13.01.40.49.842359@ae86.gts...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:20:27 +0000, FanJet wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Mark Schofield wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> check this out
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yaris.html[/url][/color]
>>
>> Whatever happened to puting the instumentaion in front of the *driver*?[/color]
>
> 1. when you're building a car for the world market, you need two different
> dashboards. This way, you make ONE dashboard, and two instrument clusters,
> which you would have to do anyway!
>[/color]
It's easier to see anyway!
[color=blue]
> 2. Ever driven one? After the initial 'shock' of it not being where you
> expect, it's actually in a good spot for looking at while you're driving![/color]

Yup![color=blue]
>
> What IS unnerving, however, is the lack of illumination of the steering
> mounted controls at night; tha stalks and the buttons on the wheel. It's
> dark![/color]

I don't have that problem - have you turned the light level down?

;-)

Natalie

In article <pan.2005.10.13.01.40.49.842359@ae86.gts>, Hachiroku
<Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:20:27 +0000, FanJet wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Mark Schofield wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> check this out
> >>
> >> [url]http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yaris.html[/url][/color]
> >
> > Whatever happened to puting the instumentaion in front of the *driver*?[/color]
>
> 1. when you're building a car for the world market, you need two different
> dashboards. This way, you make ONE dashboard, and two instrument clusters,
> which you would have to do anyway!
>
> 2. Ever driven one? After the initial 'shock' of it not being where you
> expect, it's actually in a good sot for looking at while you're driving!
>
> What IS unnerving, however, is the lack of illumination of the steering
> mounted controls at night; tha stalks and the buttons on the wheel. It's
> dark![/color]

This is very true. It would be easy to get illumination power to the
steering wheel, and while you were at it you could gently warm the rim.
Heated seats are nice, but a heated wheel would do away withe need for
clumsy gloves.

Brent

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:13:19 -0400, Wickeddoll® wrote:
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>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.10.13.01.40.49.842359@ae86.gts...[color=green]
>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:20:27 +0000, FanJet wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Mark Schofield wrote:
>>>> check this out
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yaris.html[/url]
>>>
>>> Whatever happened to puting the instumentaion in front of the *driver*?[/color]
>>
>> 1. when you're building a car for the world market, you need two different
>> dashboards. This way, you make ONE dashboard, and two instrument clusters,
>> which you would have to do anyway!
>>[/color]
> It's easier to see anyway!
>[color=green]
>> 2. Ever driven one? After the initial 'shock' of it not being where you
>> expect, it's actually in a good spot for looking at while you're driving![/color]
>
> Yup![color=green]
>>
>> What IS unnerving, however, is the lack of illumination of the steering
>> mounted controls at night; tha stalks and the buttons on the wheel. It's
>> dark![/color]
>
> I don't have that problem - have you turned the light level down?[/color]

(Actually, it was a Prius, but similar dash!)
[color=blue]
>
> ;-)
>
> Natalie[/color]

Brian Gordon wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <fLh3f.197$Xj4.23490@monger.newsread.com>,
> FanJet <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> Mark Schofield wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> check this out
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yaris.html[/url][/color]
>>
>> Whatever happened to puting the instumentaion in front of the
>> *driver*?
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Where you had to twist and strain to see it through the steering
> wheel?[/color]

Never had the problem and I don't like the placement on the mini-cooper
either. If it's cute enough I'd buy one but I think my vote's still for the
Smartcar.

"Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:121020052236452185%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...[color=blue]
> This is very true. It would be easy to get illumination power to the
> steering wheel, and while you were at it you could gently warm the rim.
> Heated seats are nice, but a heated wheel would do away withe need for
> clumsy gloves.
>
> Brent[/color]

Thing I don't like about the dash is that there is no durn light on the
ashtray!

ps: I drove a 1,300 kilometre round trip several times over the summer.
Automatic sedan, with the AC on, cruising mostly at 110-115kph I got 46 MPG.

But that's an Imperial gallon, and I converted it all from metric anyway, so
who in hell knows if it's right?

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:34:18 -0400, Buck Frobisher wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Brent Secombe" <bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:121020052236452185%bsecombover@yahoo.co.uk...[color=green]
>> This is very true. It would be easy to get illumination power to the
>> steering wheel, and while you were at it you could gently warm the rim.
>> Heated seats are nice, but a heated wheel would do away withe need for
>> clumsy gloves.
>>
>> Brent[/color]
>
> Thing I don't like about the dash is that there is no durn light on the
> ashtray!
>
> ps: I drove a 1,300 kilometre round trip several times over the summer.
> Automatic sedan, with the AC on, cruising mostly at 110-115kph I got 46 MPG.
>
> But that's an Imperial gallon, and I converted it all from metric anyway, so
> who in hell knows if it's right?[/color]


I would guess. I had a '95 Tercel, basically the same car, and averaged
over 40 MPG during the period I owned the car.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:20:27 +0000, FanJet wrote:
[color=blue]
> Mark Schofield wrote:[color=green]
>> check this out
>>
>> [url]http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yaris.html[/url][/color]
>
> Whatever happened to puting the instumentaion in front of the *driver*?[/color]

For what reason? so it can be what you are used to?