Oil companies collusion, again

Looks like the oil companies are in collusion again, they setting prices in
lock step. There should be a government investigation of the outrage. If
one drop the price the rest follow, some have even lowered the price
twice on the same day. As low as $2.49 a gallon is ridiculous, the
President oil buddies are working from the VPs Halliburton play book I'll
bet LOL

mike hunt

We are paying three bucks in NC.

By the way I was looking at the new Mercury version of the Ford fusion (it
began with M). They also had the Mercury version of the 500 sitting there
with the same engine but less power in a bigger, heavier car. The salesman
told me his mother got one of the big ones. I asked how she liked it. One
word: "underpowered". LOL


"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:MoCcnULTkcqcdsveUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Looks like the oil companies are in collusion again, they setting prices
> in lock step. There should be a government investigation of the outrage.
> If one drop the price the rest follow, some have even lowered the price
> twice on the same day. As low as $2.49 a gallon is ridiculous, the
> President oil buddies are working from the VPs Halliburton play book I'll
> bet LOL
>
> mike hunt
>
>[/color]

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:wlD5f.16711$vw6.9883@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> We are paying three bucks in NC.
>
> By the way I was looking at the new Mercury version of the Ford fusion (it
> began with M). They also had the Mercury version of the 500 sitting there
> with the same engine but less power in a bigger, heavier car. The
> salesman told me his mother got one of the big ones. I asked how she
> liked it. One word: "underpowered". LOL
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:MoCcnULTkcqcdsveUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Looks like the oil companies are in collusion again, they setting prices
>> in lock step. There should be a government investigation of the
>> outrage. If one drop the price the rest follow, some have even lowered
>> the price
>> twice on the same day. As low as $2.49 a gallon is ridiculous, the
>> President oil buddies are working from the VPs Halliburton play book I'll
>> bet LOL
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

We're down to 2.67 here in Kankakee. Should be about 2.00.

Charles of Kankakee

Depending on where you are in North Carolina, gas is as low as $2.59
(Sheetz on Capital Blvd, North of Raleigh, NC).

My Father has a Freestyle (same size as a 500) and it is not
underpowered - at least compared to other family sedans I have driven
recently. I suppose compared to a Charger with a hemi it is slow, but
how many people buying a "family" car really need or even want a hemi?
According to CR, the 0 to 60 for a 500 is 8.7 sec ( a full second
faster than a 4 cylinder, manual Camry and roughly the same as a
Chrysler 300 V-6). Not awesome, but certainly not bad either. And it is
an easy car to drive quickly. Some cars I have driven have lots of
power and are really fast if you floor them, but you really have to
work hard to keep up with traffic. Dad's Freestyle seemed effortless.
No dramatic actions needed. Generally a really nice, if undramatic car.

In article <meSdnTOxosL7n8renZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Charles @ Kankakee" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:wlD5f.16711$vw6.9883@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
> > We are paying three bucks in NC.
> >
> > By the way I was looking at the new Mercury version of the Ford fusion (it
> > began with M). They also had the Mercury version of the 500 sitting there
> > with the same engine but less power in a bigger, heavier car. The
> > salesman told me his mother got one of the big ones. I asked how she
> > liked it. One word: "underpowered". LOL
> >
> >
> > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > news:MoCcnULTkcqcdsveUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=darkred]
> >> Looks like the oil companies are in collusion again, they setting prices
> >> in lock step. There should be a government investigation of the
> >> outrage. If one drop the price the rest follow, some have even lowered
> >> the price
> >> twice on the same day. As low as $2.49 a gallon is ridiculous, the
> >> President oil buddies are working from the VPs Halliburton play book I'll
> >> bet LOL
> >>
> >> mike hunt
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
> We're down to 2.67 here in Kankakee. Should be about 2.00.
>
> Charles of Kankakee[/color]

$2.27 in the upper midwest and lower slobovia.
--

We in California are paying the same as you Art. In your case, you get
finished fuel products from refiners affected by the hurricanes. In our
case, crude oil comes from Alaska and from wells within our state. We cannot
import finished fuel products from outside the state due to the fuel
formulation differences and an agreement between the refiners and the State
struck back in 1982 to prohibit fuel from being imported to CA.
--
- Philip

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:wlD5f.16711$vw6.9883@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> We are paying three bucks in NC.[/color]
snip[color=blue]
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:MoCcnULTkcqcdsveUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Looks like the oil companies are in collusion again, they setting prices
>> in lock step. There should be a government investigation of the
>> outrage. If one drop the price the rest follow, some have even lowered
>> the price
>> twice on the same day. As low as $2.49 a gallon is ridiculous, the
>> President oil buddies are working from the VPs Halliburton play book I'll
>> bet LOL
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Toyota has the market covered on underpowered cars LOL

mike hunt


"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:wlD5f.16711$vw6.9883@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> We are paying three bucks in NC.
>
> By the way I was looking at the new Mercury version of the Ford fusion (it
> began with M). They also had the Mercury version of the 500 sitting there
> with the same engine but less power in a bigger, heavier car. The
> salesman told me his mother got one of the big ones. I asked how she
> liked it. One word: "underpowered". LOL
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:MoCcnULTkcqcdsveUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Looks like the oil companies are in collusion again, they setting prices
>> in lock step. There should be a government investigation of the
>> outrage. If one drop the price the rest follow, some have even lowered
>> the price
>> twice on the same day. As low as $2.49 a gallon is ridiculous, the
>> President oil buddies are working from the VPs Halliburton play book I'll
>> bet LOL
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

That is the result of the CV tranny, it is always on the torque curve.
Torque is what gets you going and keeps you going at speed on the grades.
Something most Toyota can't do. Particularly the eight out of ten Camrys
sold that have the 4 cy engine.


mike hunt


"Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129779495.752155.19650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Depending on where you are in North Carolina, gas is as low as $2.59
> (Sheetz on Capital Blvd, North of Raleigh, NC).
>
> My Father has a Freestyle (same size as a 500) and it is not
> underpowered - at least compared to other family sedans I have driven
> recently. I suppose compared to a Charger with a hemi it is slow, but
> how many people buying a "family" car really need or even want a hemi?
> According to CR, the 0 to 60 for a 500 is 8.7 sec ( a full second
> faster than a 4 cylinder, manual Camry and roughly the same as a
> Chrysler 300 V-6). Not awesome, but certainly not bad either. And it is
> an easy car to drive quickly. Some cars I have driven have lots of
> power and are really fast if you floor them, but you really have to
> work hard to keep up with traffic. Dad's Freestyle seemed effortless.
> No dramatic actions needed. Generally a really nice, if undramatic car.
>[/color]

You did not think all those extraordinarily tough environmental laws in
California would not come at a cost did you?

mike hunt


"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:t4O5f.17438$QE1.10177@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> We in California are paying the same as you Art. In your case, you get
> finished fuel products from refiners affected by the hurricanes. In our
> case, crude oil comes from Alaska and from wells within our state. We
> cannot import finished fuel products from outside the state due to the
> fuel formulation differences and an agreement between the refiners and the
> State struck back in 1982 to prohibit fuel from being imported to CA.
> --
>[/color]

I test drove one and I am still considering it. It seemed to me that it
topped out at the high speeds on hills. Just seems a shame they put a more
powerful engine in the smaller Fusion. The only other things that bothered
me about the car was the cheap door panels and the skinny leg area for the
driver. I believe the Freestyle I drove was AWD. Reportedly sales are poor.
At least to start. Chrysler could not sell any Pacifias when they first
came out but now they are all over the place selling like hot cakes. The
Pacifica also could use more power. The Freestyle appears to be able to
hold a heck of a lot more stuff.


"Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129779495.752155.19650@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Depending on where you are in North Carolina, gas is as low as $2.59
> (Sheetz on Capital Blvd, North of Raleigh, NC).
>
> My Father has a Freestyle (same size as a 500) and it is not
> underpowered - at least compared to other family sedans I have driven
> recently. I suppose compared to a Charger with a hemi it is slow, but
> how many people buying a "family" car really need or even want a hemi?
> According to CR, the 0 to 60 for a 500 is 8.7 sec ( a full second
> faster than a 4 cylinder, manual Camry and roughly the same as a
> Chrysler 300 V-6). Not awesome, but certainly not bad either. And it is
> an easy car to drive quickly. Some cars I have driven have lots of
> power and are really fast if you floor them, but you really have to
> work hard to keep up with traffic. Dad's Freestyle seemed effortless.
> No dramatic actions needed. Generally a really nice, if undramatic car.
>[/color]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:48:56 -0400, top-posting troll "Mike Hunter"
wrote:
[color=blue]
>That is the result of the CV tranny, it is always on the torque curve.
>Torque is what gets you going and keeps you going at speed on the grades.
>Something most Toyota can't do. Particularly the eight out of ten Camrys
>sold that have the 4 cy engine.[/color]

My Supra TT doesn't seem to have any problems getting me going... 8)

It may seem that way, till one tries to 'go' alongside a Mustang GT ;)


mike hunt


"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:ee7gl19p84vejmf2k10gra7ugt59l1eh7n@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:48:56 -0400, top-posting troll "Mike Hunter"
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>That is the result of the CV tranny, it is always on the torque curve.
>>Torque is what gets you going and keeps you going at speed on the grades.
>>Something most Toyota can't do. Particularly the eight out of ten Camrys
>>sold that have the 4 cy engine.[/color]
>
> My Supra TT doesn't seem to have any problems getting me going... 8)
>[/color]

In article <ph6cnfK-0_XNSsreUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Toyota has the market covered on underpowered cars LOL
>
> mike hunt[/color]

My Sienna has lots of power. I can lay a patch of rubber and beat any
Caravan around. I've done it more than once. They tried, but gave up.

I will admit to wasting valuable fuel resources. Shame on me.

[color=blue]
>
>
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:wlD5f.16711$vw6.9883@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
> > We are paying three bucks in NC.
> >
> > By the way I was looking at the new Mercury version of the Ford fusion (it
> > began with M). They also had the Mercury version of the 500 sitting there
> > with the same engine but less power in a bigger, heavier car. The
> > salesman told me his mother got one of the big ones. I asked how she
> > liked it. One word: "underpowered". LOL
> >
> >
> > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > news:MoCcnULTkcqcdsveUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=darkred]
> >> Looks like the oil companies are in collusion again, they setting prices
> >> in lock step. There should be a government investigation of the
> >> outrage. If one drop the price the rest follow, some have even lowered
> >> the price
> >> twice on the same day. As low as $2.49 a gallon is ridiculous, the
> >> President oil buddies are working from the VPs Halliburton play book I'll
> >> bet LOL
> >>
> >> mike hunt
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >
> >[/color][/color]
--

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:55:39 -0400, top-posting troll "Mike Hunter"
wrote:
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>dizzy wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> My Supra TT doesn't seem to have any problems getting me going... 8)[/color]
>
>It may seem that way, till one tries to 'go' alongside a Mustang GT ;)[/color]

The Mustang needs more horses to run with my TT. 8)

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:ph6cnfK-0_XNSsreUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Toyota has the market covered on underpowered cars LOL
>
> mike hunt
>
>[/color]

I don't know. I smoked a TransAm with my Previa the other day, and I still
can't forget the time I smoked a 80's era Big Chevy with my 77 Corolla.
Underpowered? I think not. The other vehicles are just wasteful.

Charles of Kankakee