OT Joe Wilson...liar... Is the real problem in the Rove affair...

From Investors Business Daily

Myths To A Plame: The Case Against Rove

Posted 10/19/2005

Politics: As special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's mandate expires,
Karl Rove's only crime may be not that he "outed" Valerie Plame as a
CIA operative but that he exposed her husband, Ambassador Joe Wilson,
as a liar.

The case involving Rove and who "leaked" Plame's "secret" identity as
a CIA employee to the press is so convoluted that it's easy to forget
the whole thing began with President Bush uttering 16 words in a
5,400-word State of the Union: "The British government has learned
that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium
from Africa."

It was these 16 words that Wilson spent eight days in Niger
investigating on behalf of the CIA, "drinking sweet mint tea and
meeting with dozens of people," as he put it, afterward writing an
op-ed piece in The New York Times essentially claiming the Bush
administration sent U.S. soldiers to Iraq to die for a lie.

Wilson, who later was a foreign affairs adviser to the Kerry campaign,
turned out to be a physician in need of healing himself when it comes
to truth-telling, as revealed on July 9, 2004. That was when the
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence issued its report on the CIA's
prewar intelligence on Iraq.

The report concluded that Wilson lied when he denied his wife got him
the Niger assignment. "Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," he
wrote in his book, adding, "She definitely had not proposed that I
make the trip."

But according to the Senate report: "Interviews and documents provided
to the committee indicate his wife . . . suggested his name for the
trip." This included a memo Plame herself sent to the CIA.

The report also said Wilson lied when he told The Washington Post he
knew the Niger intelligence had been based on forged documents. The
CIA didn't obtain the document said to be a forgery until a full eight
months after Wilson's return from Niger.

Wilson told the public Niger had denied the uranium connection. But
the Senate found that Wilson's own report said that the Niger
government had confirmed that Iraq had tried to buy uranium.

So when Rove, in an e-mail sent to Time magazine's Matt Cooper in July
2003, said Wilson's trip to Niger for the CIA was arranged by
"Wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency," without providing
her actual name, he was not exposing Plame as an agent.

He was exposing her husband as a prevaricator, in effect warning
Cooper and others not to take his claims seriously.

While Wilson was found to have lied repeatedly, an independent British
investigative committee on WMD intelligence headed by Lord Butler in
its report (butlerreview.org.uk ) found "the intelligence was
credible" and Bush's statement was "well-founded."

Rove is said to have blown a CIA operative's cover. But didn't Wilson,
who was hired as a consultant by the CIA, and presumably signed the
routine CIA confidentiality agreement, blow his own cover by
afterwards writing an op-ed piece in The New York Times?

Plame's name was certainly no secret, appearing in Wilson's "Who's Who
In America" entry. Nor were her political affiliations and those of
her husband. It could be argued that Mrs. Wilson blew her own cover
when she made a contribution to the Al Gore for President campaign and
listed her CIA cover company as her employer in the FEC filing.

The 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which Rove is accused
of violating, was designed to protect the CIA from subversion and
treason by those who wished harm upon the agency and the United
States. It wasn't designed to protect the identities of desk jockeys
and their spouses who willingly inject themselves into a national
political debate.

If Karl Rove is a criminal, exactly what was the crime?

There is no crime, according to attorney Victoria Toensing, who
drafted the legislation in her role as chief counsel for the chairman
of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. She says that under
the statute the "outed" agent must have operated outside the U.S.
within the previous five years, and Plame had given up her role as a
covert agent in favor of a desk job in Langley, Va., nine years before
the Rove interview, according to New York Times columnist Nicholas
Kristof.

The usual suspects who got even with Newt Gingrich for electing a
Republican Congress, and who are pursuing Tom DeLay for pushing the
Republican agenda, are now trying to settle the score with the man who
got George W. Bush elected twice.

As we've noted, this isn't the first time an attempt has been made to
criminalize political differences or to get even with GOP gurus for
their political prowess and success. It is somewhat disheartening to
see the administration Rove has served so well not mount a passionate
defense of this innocent man, saying merely that anyone found guilty
of leaking a CIA agent's name would be fired.

This is an attempt to use — or rather, misuse — the law to achieve
what Democrats could not at the polls: the neutering of the Republican
revolution. As columnist Ann Coulter points out, the only person to
have demonstrably lied and possibly broken the law is Joseph Wilson.
We can only hope it will not succeed.
--

Scott in Florida

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You are Stuck On Stupid!

In article <b7egl1he52u46gpm72nlck9715mt18vv24@4ax.com>,
Scott in Florida <JustAsk@Florida.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> From Investors Business Daily
>
> Myths To A Plame: The Case Against Rove
>
> Posted 10/19/2005
>
> Politics: As special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's mandate expires,
> Karl Rove's only crime may be not that he "outed" Valerie Plame as a
> CIA operative but that he exposed her husband, Ambassador Joe Wilson,
> as a liar.
>
> The case involving Rove and who "leaked" Plame's "secret" identity as
> a CIA employee to the press is so convoluted that it's easy to forget
> the whole thing began with President Bush uttering 16 words in a
> 5,400-word State of the Union: "The British government has learned
> that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium
> from Africa."
>
> It was these 16 words that Wilson spent eight days in Niger
> investigating on behalf of the CIA, "drinking sweet mint tea and
> meeting with dozens of people," as he put it, afterward writing an
> op-ed piece in The New York Times essentially claiming the Bush
> administration sent U.S. soldiers to Iraq to die for a lie.
>
> Wilson, who later was a foreign affairs adviser to the Kerry campaign,
> turned out to be a physician in need of healing himself when it comes
> to truth-telling, as revealed on July 9, 2004. That was when the
> Senate Select Committee on Intelligence issued its report on the CIA's
> prewar intelligence on Iraq.
>
> The report concluded that Wilson lied when he denied his wife got him
> the Niger assignment. "Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," he
> wrote in his book, adding, "She definitely had not proposed that I
> make the trip."
>
> But according to the Senate report: "Interviews and documents provided
> to the committee indicate his wife . . . suggested his name for the
> trip." This included a memo Plame herself sent to the CIA.
>
> The report also said Wilson lied when he told The Washington Post he
> knew the Niger intelligence had been based on forged documents. The
> CIA didn't obtain the document said to be a forgery until a full eight
> months after Wilson's return from Niger.
>
> Wilson told the public Niger had denied the uranium connection. But
> the Senate found that Wilson's own report said that the Niger
> government had confirmed that Iraq had tried to buy uranium.
>
> So when Rove, in an e-mail sent to Time magazine's Matt Cooper in July
> 2003, said Wilson's trip to Niger for the CIA was arranged by
> "Wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency," without providing
> her actual name, he was not exposing Plame as an agent.
>
> He was exposing her husband as a prevaricator, in effect warning
> Cooper and others not to take his claims seriously.
>
> While Wilson was found to have lied repeatedly, an independent British
> investigative committee on WMD intelligence headed by Lord Butler in
> its report (butlerreview.org.uk ) found "the intelligence was
> credible" and Bush's statement was "well-founded."
>
> Rove is said to have blown a CIA operative's cover. But didn't Wilson,
> who was hired as a consultant by the CIA, and presumably signed the
> routine CIA confidentiality agreement, blow his own cover by
> afterwards writing an op-ed piece in The New York Times?
>
> Plame's name was certainly no secret, appearing in Wilson's "Who's Who
> In America" entry. Nor were her political affiliations and those of
> her husband. It could be argued that Mrs. Wilson blew her own cover
> when she made a contribution to the Al Gore for President campaign and
> listed her CIA cover company as her employer in the FEC filing.
>
> The 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act, which Rove is accused
> of violating, was designed to protect the CIA from subversion and
> treason by those who wished harm upon the agency and the United
> States. It wasn't designed to protect the identities of desk jockeys
> and their spouses who willingly inject themselves into a national
> political debate.
>
> If Karl Rove is a criminal, exactly what was the crime?
>
> There is no crime, according to attorney Victoria Toensing, who
> drafted the legislation in her role as chief counsel for the chairman
> of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. She says that under
> the statute the "outed" agent must have operated outside the U.S.
> within the previous five years, and Plame had given up her role as a
> covert agent in favor of a desk job in Langley, Va., nine years before
> the Rove interview, according to New York Times columnist Nicholas
> Kristof.
>
> The usual suspects who got even with Newt Gingrich for electing a
> Republican Congress, and who are pursuing Tom DeLay for pushing the
> Republican agenda, are now trying to settle the score with the man who
> got George W. Bush elected twice.
>
> As we've noted, this isn't the first time an attempt has been made to
> criminalize political differences or to get even with GOP gurus for
> their political prowess and success. It is somewhat disheartening to
> see the administration Rove has served so well not mount a passionate
> defense of this innocent man, saying merely that anyone found guilty
> of leaking a CIA agent's name would be fired.
>
> This is an attempt to use — or rather, misuse — the law to achieve
> what Democrats could not at the polls: the neutering of the Republican
> revolution. As columnist Ann Coulter points out, the only person to
> have demonstrably lied and possibly broken the law is Joseph Wilson.
> We can only hope it will not succeed.[/color]

It wouldn't surprise me to find that Kerry had a hand in the plot also.
--

Scott in Florida wrote:[color=blue]
> From Investors Business Daily
>
> Myths To A Plame: The Case Against R
>[/color]

the real question is.... who will resign by Halloween night? ;)

I like Wilson's latest speech in the Bay Area. He admitted to "too
much sex, too many drugs, and I did inhale" during the 60's

From some of his published remarks, he must still be inhaling.

IBD has a good article, I also agree someone should be putting up a
defense of Rove but he seems to be hung out to dry.

Interesting to see if the prosecutor indicts and if there even is/was
a crime other than Wilson lying about Niger. Damned near all their
export $$ are yellowcake. Iraq sure didn't go there looking for oil
or cow hides.

Ron

ron, 10/21/2005, 2:13:06 PM,
<Sca6f.6828$Zv5.5974@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I like Wilson's latest speech in the Bay Area. He admitted to "too
> much sex, too many drugs, and I did inhale" during the 60's
>
> From some of his published remarks, he must still be inhaling.[/color]

Yeah, I saw that also. Makes me wonder if he is confusing the 60's
with the 00's.

--
"The difference in golf and government is that in golf you can't
improve your lie." --George Deukmejian

In article <xn0e8rcl265yxax003@news.readfreenews.net>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> ron, 10/21/2005, 2:13:06 PM,
> <Sca6f.6828$Zv5.5974@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I like Wilson's latest speech in the Bay Area. He admitted to "too
> > much sex, too many drugs, and I did inhale" during the 60's
> >
> > From some of his published remarks, he must still be inhaling.[/color]
>
> Yeah, I saw that also. Makes me wonder if he is confusing the 60's
> with the 00's.[/color]

They all are a bunch of aging, spoiled, disgruntled, pot smoking flower
people from the sixties. The U.S. will be far better off when that
generation which includes Kerry, is retired and in the old folks homes.
--

..dbu. wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <xn0e8rcl265yxax003@news.readfreenews.net>,
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> ron, 10/21/2005, 2:13:06 PM,
>> <Sca6f.6828$Zv5.5974@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I like Wilson's latest speech in the Bay Area. He admitted to "too
>>> much sex, too many drugs, and I did inhale" during the 60's
>>>
>>> From some of his published remarks, he must still be inhaling.[/color]
>>
>> Yeah, I saw that also. Makes me wonder if he is confusing the 60's
>> with the 00's.[/color]
>
> They all are a bunch of aging, spoiled, disgruntled, pot smoking
> flower people from the sixties. The U.S. will be far better off when
> that generation which includes Kerry, is retired and in the old folks
> homes.[/color]

If you throw in "domestic abuser", you could include bush and his crowd too.