2 Problems: '86 Camry, '88 Supra

OK, guys, test your wits with my 'vintage' Toys!

1. '86 Camry: Mom says the sterring wheel 'shakes' in her hands. What it
REALLY is is a loss of power due to ????

Did a complete tune-up on the car a month ago, solved the problem until it
got wet. Now i MAY have a loose boot on a plug; I don't think so. They
were TOUGH to push on. Used ALL genuine Toyota, right down to the plugs!!!
Also did cap and rotor at the same time. Only variable left is the fuel
filter; I have one but it looks like a PITA. I'll give it a shot tomorrow...


2. '88 Supra. Know how the 'kids' like to lean way back in the seat so
they're almost laying down? I don't. The seat is a 'memory' seat; you
twinst a knob on the side of the seat to set the seat back, and when you
lift the handle to move the seatback forward for access to the rear seat,
it goes right back to where you set it.

Well, every third time I drive the car, I'm laying back again! My initial
thought is to remove the knob and see if there's something to tiughten up
in there, before I do I'd like to know if this is the way to tackle the
problem...

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.22.01.12.44.142205@ae86.gts...[color=blue]
> OK, guys, test your wits with my 'vintage' Toys!
>
> 1. '86 Camry: Mom says the sterring wheel 'shakes' in her hands. What it
> REALLY is is a loss of power due to ????
>
> Did a complete tune-up on the car a month ago, solved the problem until it
> got wet. Now i MAY have a loose boot on a plug; I don't think so. They
> were TOUGH to push on. Used ALL genuine Toyota, right down to the plugs!!!
> Also did cap and rotor at the same time. Only variable left is the fuel
> filter; I have one but it looks like a PITA. I'll give it a shot
> tomorrow...
>[/color]

Did you experience the condition? Did you check the ATF? Is the PS belt
tight?

[color=blue]
> 2. '88 Supra. Know how the 'kids' like to lean way back in the seat so
> they're almost laying down? I don't. The seat is a 'memory' seat; you
> twinst a knob on the side of the seat to set the seat back, and when you
> lift the handle to move the seatback forward for access to the rear seat,
> it goes right back to where you set it.
>
> Well, every third time I drive the car, I'm laying back again! My initial
> thought is to remove the knob and see if there's something to tiughten up
> in there, before I do I'd like to know if this is the way to tackle the
> problem...[/color]

The lever to flip the seat back forward might not be engaging the pawl.
Make sure the lever is not hanging up when you release it. If the lever
itself is not hanging up, then the unzip the seat cover and see if you can
see it. I'd suspect that mechanism before the adjusting knob.
--
Ray O
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:18:36 -0500, Ray O wrote:
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>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.10.22.01.12.44.142205@ae86.gts...[color=green]
>> OK, guys, test your wits with my 'vintage' Toys!
>>
>> 1. '86 Camry: Mom says the sterring wheel 'shakes' in her hands. What it
>> REALLY is is a loss of power due to ????
>>
>> Did a complete tune-up on the car a month ago, solved the problem until it
>> got wet. Now i MAY have a loose boot on a plug; I don't think so. They
>> were TOUGH to push on. Used ALL genuine Toyota, right down to the plugs!!!
>> Also did cap and rotor at the same time. Only variable left is the fuel
>> filter; I have one but it looks like a PITA. I'll give it a shot
>> tomorrow...
>>[/color]
>
> Did you experience the condition? Did you check the ATF? Is the PS belt
> tight?[/color]

Well....about TIME you showed up somewhere!

It did it to me before the tune-up, once. It's a definite power loss, like
when cars used to 'carbon up' when a tune up was required. You know, you
step on the gas and it stumbles and stutters. It did it once to me, did
the tune up, and then was driving the car in a hard rain and it did it
again. She says it did it again, but I couldn't duplicate it. I could feel
a VERY slight stutter, but no loss of power.
[color=blue]
>
>[color=green]
>> 2. '88 Supra. Know how the 'kids' like to lean way back in the seat so
>> they're almost laying down? I don't. The seat is a 'memory' seat; you
>> twinst a knob on the side of the seat to set the seat back, and when you
>> lift the handle to move the seatback forward for access to the rear seat,
>> it goes right back to where you set it.
>>
>> Well, every third time I drive the car, I'm laying back again! My initial
>> thought is to remove the knob and see if there's something to tiughten up
>> in there, before I do I'd like to know if this is the way to tackle the
>> problem...[/color][/color]

No, it slips by degrees. I turn the knob and the seat back moves forward,
and then I don't notice it again until the 3rd or 4th time I get in tha
car after that. At that point I'm leaning way back again, but before that
it's not noticable!

[color=blue]
>
> The lever to flip the seat back forward might not be engaging the pawl.
> Make sure the lever is not hanging up when you release it. If the lever
> itself is not hanging up, then the unzip the seat cover and see if you can
> see it. I'd suspect that mechanism before the adjusting knob.[/color]

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.24.13.49.21.361732@ae86.gts...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:18:36 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2005.10.22.01.12.44.142205@ae86.gts...[color=darkred]
>>> OK, guys, test your wits with my 'vintage' Toys!
>>>
>>> 1. '86 Camry: Mom says the sterring wheel 'shakes' in her hands. What it
>>> REALLY is is a loss of power due to ????
>>>
>>> Did a complete tune-up on the car a month ago, solved the problem until
>>> it
>>> got wet. Now i MAY have a loose boot on a plug; I don't think so. They
>>> were TOUGH to push on. Used ALL genuine Toyota, right down to the
>>> plugs!!!
>>> Also did cap and rotor at the same time. Only variable left is the fuel
>>> filter; I have one but it looks like a PITA. I'll give it a shot
>>> tomorrow...
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Did you experience the condition? Did you check the ATF? Is the PS belt
>> tight?[/color]
>
> Well....about TIME you showed up somewhere![/color]

Since this is the 21st century, I figured the house in Maine where we were
staying would have high speed internet - wrong, it's not in their
neighborhood yet. I couldn't use a dialup since I don't have a dialup
account, the wi-fi advertised at the Portland airport was not a freebie, and
you have to have T-Mobile to use it at a Starbucks. We spent a night in a
hotel in Chelmsford, MA, the internet access they were touting in the lobby
is through the TV and was something like $19 for 24 hours. The only problem
with using the free wi-fi at Panera Bread is if you drink 3 or 4 cups of
coffee while you're sitting there and have to suffer the usual side effects.
[color=blue]
>
> It did it to me before the tune-up, once. It's a definite power loss, like
> when cars used to 'carbon up' when a tune up was required. You know, you
> step on the gas and it stumbles and stutters. It did it once to me, did
> the tune up, and then was driving the car in a hard rain and it did it
> again. She says it did it again, but I couldn't duplicate it. I could feel
> a VERY slight stutter, but no loss of power.
>[/color]

If it happens again in the rain, take a look at the inside of the
distributor cap and see if there is moisture there. Do the usual, check for
vacuum leaks and intake hose leaks.
[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> 2. '88 Supra. Know how the 'kids' like to lean way back in the seat so
>>> they're almost laying down? I don't. The seat is a 'memory' seat; you
>>> twinst a knob on the side of the seat to set the seat back, and when you
>>> lift the handle to move the seatback forward for access to the rear
>>> seat,
>>> it goes right back to where you set it.
>>>
>>> Well, every third time I drive the car, I'm laying back again! My
>>> initial
>>> thought is to remove the knob and see if there's something to tiughten
>>> up
>>> in there, before I do I'd like to know if this is the way to tackle the
>>> problem...[/color][/color]
>
> No, it slips by degrees. I turn the knob and the seat back moves forward,
> and then I don't notice it again until the 3rd or 4th time I get in tha
> car after that. At that point I'm leaning way back again, but before that
> it's not noticable!
>[/color]

Use a piece of tape to mark the knob's position, for instance, pointing up
or parrallel to the seatback. You should be able to tell if the knob is
turning - maybe you can put additional tension on the knob so it doesn't
turn by itself. If the knob isn't turning, then you gotta look at the
adjusting mechanism, which I've never taken a look at.
--
Ray O
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:53:17 -0500, Ray O wrote:
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> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.10.24.13.49.21.361732@ae86.gts...[color=green]
>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:18:36 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2005.10.22.01.12.44.142205@ae86.gts...
>>>> OK, guys, test your wits with my 'vintage' Toys!
>>>>
>>>> 1. '86 Camry: Mom says the sterring wheel 'shakes' in her hands. What it
>>>> REALLY is is a loss of power due to ????
>>>>
>>>> Did a complete tune-up on the car a month ago, solved the problem until
>>>> it
>>>> got wet. Now i MAY have a loose boot on a plug; I don't think so. They
>>>> were TOUGH to push on. Used ALL genuine Toyota, right down to the
>>>> plugs!!!
>>>> Also did cap and rotor at the same time. Only variable left is the fuel
>>>> filter; I have one but it looks like a PITA. I'll give it a shot
>>>> tomorrow...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did you experience the condition? Did you check the ATF? Is the PS belt
>>> tight?[/color]
>>
>> Well....about TIME you showed up somewhere![/color]
>
> Since this is the 21st century, I figured the house in Maine where we were
> staying would have high speed internet - wrong, it's not in their
> neighborhood yet. I couldn't use a dialup since I don't have a dialup
> account, the wi-fi advertised at the Portland airport was not a freebie, and
> you have to have T-Mobile to use it at a Starbucks. We spent a night in a
> hotel in Chelmsford, MA, the internet access they were touting in the lobby
> is through the TV and was something like $19 for 24 hours. The only problem
> with using the free wi-fi at Panera Bread is if you drink 3 or 4 cups of
> coffee while you're sitting there and have to suffer the usual side effects.[/color]


Damn, man!! You were in Chelmsford and you didn't tell me?!?!

I would have met you somewhere for a beer, or a Sake, or a Crown Royal!!
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>[color=green]
>>
>> It did it to me before the tune-up, once. It's a definite power loss, like
>> when cars used to 'carbon up' when a tune up was required. You know, you
>> step on the gas and it stumbles and stutters. It did it once to me, did
>> the tune up, and then was driving the car in a hard rain and it did it
>> again. She says it did it again, but I couldn't duplicate it. I could feel
>> a VERY slight stutter, but no loss of power.
>>[/color]
>
> If it happens again in the rain, take a look at the inside of the
> distributor cap and see if there is moisture there. Do the usual, check for
> vacuum leaks and intake hose leaks.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2. '88 Supra. Know how the 'kids' like to lean way back in the seat so
>>>> they're almost laying down? I don't. The seat is a 'memory' seat; you
>>>> twinst a knob on the side of the seat to set the seat back, and when you
>>>> lift the handle to move the seatback forward for access to the rear
>>>> seat,
>>>> it goes right back to where you set it.
>>>>
>>>> Well, every third time I drive the car, I'm laying back again! My
>>>> initial
>>>> thought is to remove the knob and see if there's something to tiughten
>>>> up
>>>> in there, before I do I'd like to know if this is the way to tackle the
>>>> problem...[/color]
>>
>> No, it slips by degrees. I turn the knob and the seat back moves forward,
>> and then I don't notice it again until the 3rd or 4th time I get in tha
>> car after that. At that point I'm leaning way back again, but before that
>> it's not noticable!
>>[/color]
>
> Use a piece of tape to mark the knob's position, for instance, pointing up
> or parrallel to the seatback. You should be able to tell if the knob is
> turning - maybe you can put additional tension on the knob so it doesn't
> turn by itself. If the knob isn't turning, then you gotta look at the
> adjusting mechanism, which I've never taken a look at.[/color]

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.24.23.40.53.794012@ae86.gts...

<snipped>

[color=blue]
>
> Damn, man!! You were in Chelmsford and you didn't tell me?!?!
>
> I would have met you somewhere for a beer, or a Sake, or a Crown Royal!!
>[/color]

Well, we weren't even in Chelmsford for 24 hours. Arrived around 6PM
Friday, went to a wedding rehearsal dinner, went back to the hotel, woke up
Saturday, went to the wedding and reception, and booked it back to Maine.

Next time, I'll have to try to schedule a hook-up time. :-)
--
Ray O
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On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:27:11 -0500, Ray O wrote:
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>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.10.24.23.40.53.794012@ae86.gts...
>
> <snipped>
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> Damn, man!! You were in Chelmsford and you didn't tell me?!?!
>>
>> I would have met you somewhere for a beer, or a Sake, or a Crown Royal!!
>>[/color]
>
> Well, we weren't even in Chelmsford for 24 hours. Arrived around 6PM
> Friday, went to a wedding rehearsal dinner, went back to the hotel, woke up
> Saturday, went to the wedding and reception, and booked it back to Maine.
>
> Next time, I'll have to try to schedule a hook-up time. :-)[/color]

Oh, I see. A 'business trip'.

My guess is that, neither day did you NEED a beer! (I know how *I* am at
weddings!)

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.25.12.33.11.967861@ae86.gts...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:27:11 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2005.10.24.23.40.53.794012@ae86.gts...
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Damn, man!! You were in Chelmsford and you didn't tell me?!?!
>>>
>>> I would have met you somewhere for a beer, or a Sake, or a Crown Royal!!
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Well, we weren't even in Chelmsford for 24 hours. Arrived around 6PM
>> Friday, went to a wedding rehearsal dinner, went back to the hotel, woke
>> up
>> Saturday, went to the wedding and reception, and booked it back to Maine.
>>
>> Next time, I'll have to try to schedule a hook-up time. :-)[/color]
>
> Oh, I see. A 'business trip'.
>
> My guess is that, neither day did you NEED a beer! (I know how *I* am at
> weddings!)
>[/color]

I behaved - 1 beer Friday evening and 1 vodka tonic at the wedding, followed
by 3 cups of very good coffee. The coffee was a mistake though. Got stuck
in traffic for 20 minutes on Storrow Dr. in Boston because a truck got stuck
under a low underpass.
--
Ray O
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
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>
>"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>news:pan.2005.10.25.12.33.11.967861@ae86.gts...[color=green]
>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:27:11 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2005.10.24.23.40.53.794012@ae86.gts...
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Damn, man!! You were in Chelmsford and you didn't tell me?!?!
>>>>
>>>> I would have met you somewhere for a beer, or a Sake, or a Crown Royal!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, we weren't even in Chelmsford for 24 hours. Arrived around 6PM
>>> Friday, went to a wedding rehearsal dinner, went back to the hotel, woke
>>> up
>>> Saturday, went to the wedding and reception, and booked it back to Maine.
>>>
>>> Next time, I'll have to try to schedule a hook-up time. :-)[/color]
>>
>> Oh, I see. A 'business trip'.
>>
>> My guess is that, neither day did you NEED a beer! (I know how *I* am at
>> weddings!)
>>[/color]
>
>I behaved - 1 beer Friday evening and 1 vodka tonic at the wedding, followed
>by 3 cups of very good coffee. The coffee was a mistake though. Got stuck
>in traffic for 20 minutes on Storrow Dr. in Boston because a truck got stuck
>under a low underpass.[/color]

You think -that- was bad Ray?...just you wait till you're -my-
age and have that happen!...jeez...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:2ossl11lt4i1t9dh5h3m7tj676tql0u2lg@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>news:pan.2005.10.25.12.33.11.967861@ae86.gts...[color=darkred]
>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:27:11 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>>> news:pan.2005.10.24.23.40.53.794012@ae86.gts...
>>>>
>>>> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Damn, man!! You were in Chelmsford and you didn't tell me?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have met you somewhere for a beer, or a Sake, or a Crown
>>>>> Royal!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, we weren't even in Chelmsford for 24 hours. Arrived around 6PM
>>>> Friday, went to a wedding rehearsal dinner, went back to the hotel,
>>>> woke
>>>> up
>>>> Saturday, went to the wedding and reception, and booked it back to
>>>> Maine.
>>>>
>>>> Next time, I'll have to try to schedule a hook-up time. :-)
>>>
>>> Oh, I see. A 'business trip'.
>>>
>>> My guess is that, neither day did you NEED a beer! (I know how *I* am at
>>> weddings!)
>>>[/color]
>>
>>I behaved - 1 beer Friday evening and 1 vodka tonic at the wedding,
>>followed
>>by 3 cups of very good coffee. The coffee was a mistake though. Got
>>stuck
>>in traffic for 20 minutes on Storrow Dr. in Boston because a truck got
>>stuck
>>under a low underpass.[/color]
>
> You think -that- was bad Ray?...just you wait till you're -my-
> age and have that happen!...jeez...
> --
>
> -Gord.
> (use gordon in email)[/color]

The joke in the office where I used to work is that Ray knew every coffee
shop, Dunkin' Donuts, and rest stop in New England. As we were driving
around southern Maine where my wife grew up, she was amazed that I knew more
places to get rid of coffee than she did!
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:2ossl11lt4i1t9dh5h3m7tj676tql0u2lg@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>news:pan.2005.10.25.12.33.11.967861@ae86.gts...[color=darkred]
>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:27:11 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>>> news:pan.2005.10.24.23.40.53.794012@ae86.gts...
>>>>
>>>> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Damn, man!! You were in Chelmsford and you didn't tell me?!?!
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have met you somewhere for a beer, or a Sake, or a Crown
>>>>> Royal!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, we weren't even in Chelmsford for 24 hours. Arrived around 6PM
>>>> Friday, went to a wedding rehearsal dinner, went back to the hotel,
>>>> woke
>>>> up
>>>> Saturday, went to the wedding and reception, and booked it back to
>>>> Maine.
>>>>
>>>> Next time, I'll have to try to schedule a hook-up time. :-)
>>>
>>> Oh, I see. A 'business trip'.
>>>
>>> My guess is that, neither day did you NEED a beer! (I know how *I* am at
>>> weddings!)
>>>[/color]
>>
>>I behaved - 1 beer Friday evening and 1 vodka tonic at the wedding,
>>followed
>>by 3 cups of very good coffee. The coffee was a mistake though. Got
>>stuck
>>in traffic for 20 minutes on Storrow Dr. in Boston because a truck got
>>stuck
>>under a low underpass.[/color]
>
> You think -that- was bad Ray?...just you wait till you're -my-
> age and have that happen!...jeez...
> --
>
> -Gord.
> (use gordon in email)[/color]

The joke in the office where I used to work is that Ray knew every coffee
shop, Dunkin' Donuts, and rest stop in New England. As we were driving
around southern Maine where my wife grew up, she was amazed that I knew more
places to get rid of coffee than she did!

I have learned a pretty good trick as a Scout leader: When driving an
SUV-load full of kids on a campout, have a cooler within their reach full of
Mountain Dew and tell them to help themselves to the soda. You can count on
at least 1 kid guzzling 2 or 3 cans or bottles and asking to stop for a
bathroom break before I do so the kids blame him for the stop instead of me
:-)

--
Ray O
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
snip[color=blue]
>
>I have learned a pretty good trick as a Scout leader: When driving an
>SUV-load full of kids on a campout, have a cooler within their reach full of
>Mountain Dew and tell them to help themselves to the soda. You can count on
>at least 1 kid guzzling 2 or 3 cans or bottles and asking to stop for a
>bathroom break before I do so the kids blame him for the stop instead of me
>:-)[/color]

Another good one...I love these things where there's an ulterior
motive and the perpetrator (always an older wiser type) comes out
'smelling like a rose' (and with a small smile on his face...)
:)
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:26:44 -0500, Ray O wrote:
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>
> "Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
> news:2ossl11lt4i1t9dh5h3m7tj676tql0u2lg@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>>news:pan.2005.10.25.12.33.11.967861@ae86.gts...
>>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:27:11 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>>>> news:pan.2005.10.24.23.40.53.794012@ae86.gts...
>>>>>
>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damn, man!! You were in Chelmsford and you didn't tell me?!?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would have met you somewhere for a beer, or a Sake, or a Crown
>>>>>> Royal!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, we weren't even in Chelmsford for 24 hours. Arrived around 6PM
>>>>> Friday, went to a wedding rehearsal dinner, went back to the hotel,
>>>>> woke
>>>>> up
>>>>> Saturday, went to the wedding and reception, and booked it back to
>>>>> Maine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next time, I'll have to try to schedule a hook-up time. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I see. A 'business trip'.
>>>>
>>>> My guess is that, neither day did you NEED a beer! (I know how *I* am at
>>>> weddings!)
>>>>
>>>
>>>I behaved - 1 beer Friday evening and 1 vodka tonic at the wedding,
>>>followed
>>>by 3 cups of very good coffee. The coffee was a mistake though. Got
>>>stuck
>>>in traffic for 20 minutes on Storrow Dr. in Boston because a truck got
>>>stuck
>>>under a low underpass.[/color]
>>
>> You think -that- was bad Ray?...just you wait till you're -my-
>> age and have that happen!...jeez...
>> --
>>
>> -Gord.
>> (use gordon in email)[/color]
>
> The joke in the office where I used to work is that Ray knew every coffee
> shop, Dunkin' Donuts, and rest stop in New England. As we were driving
> around southern Maine where my wife grew up, she was amazed that I knew more
> places to get rid of coffee than she did![/color]

I'll match you on that in Western Mass, Northern CT and soutern VT!!!
[color=blue]
>
> I have learned a pretty good trick as a Scout leader: When driving an
> SUV-load full of kids on a campout, have a cooler within their reach full of
> Mountain Dew and tell them to help themselves to the soda. You can count on
> at least 1 kid guzzling 2 or 3 cans or bottles and asking to stop for a
> bathroom break before I do so the kids blame him for the stop instead of me
> :-)[/color]

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.10.25.20.16.12.445964@ae86.gts...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:26:44 -0500, Ray O wrote:
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>>
>> "Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>> news:2ossl11lt4i1t9dh5h3m7tj676tql0u2lg@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>>>news:pan.2005.10.25.12.33.11.967861@ae86.gts...
>>>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:27:11 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:pan.2005.10.24.23.40.53.794012@ae86.gts...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Damn, man!! You were in Chelmsford and you didn't tell me?!?!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would have met you somewhere for a beer, or a Sake, or a Crown
>>>>>>> Royal!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, we weren't even in Chelmsford for 24 hours. Arrived around 6PM
>>>>>> Friday, went to a wedding rehearsal dinner, went back to the hotel,
>>>>>> woke
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> Saturday, went to the wedding and reception, and booked it back to
>>>>>> Maine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next time, I'll have to try to schedule a hook-up time. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I see. A 'business trip'.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is that, neither day did you NEED a beer! (I know how *I* am
>>>>> at
>>>>> weddings!)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I behaved - 1 beer Friday evening and 1 vodka tonic at the wedding,
>>>>followed
>>>>by 3 cups of very good coffee. The coffee was a mistake though. Got
>>>>stuck
>>>>in traffic for 20 minutes on Storrow Dr. in Boston because a truck got
>>>>stuck
>>>>under a low underpass.
>>>
>>> You think -that- was bad Ray?...just you wait till you're -my-
>>> age and have that happen!...jeez...
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Gord.
>>> (use gordon in email)[/color]
>>
>> The joke in the office where I used to work is that Ray knew every coffee
>> shop, Dunkin' Donuts, and rest stop in New England. As we were driving
>> around southern Maine where my wife grew up, she was amazed that I knew
>> more
>> places to get rid of coffee than she did![/color]
>
> I'll match you on that in Western Mass, Northern CT and soutern VT!!!
>[/color]
Over the course of 10 years, I visited every dealer in MA, RI, NH, VT, and
ME except for 2 or 3. Of course, some new ones have opened in the 13 years
since we moved to Chicago. CT is covered from the NY regional office so
other than a trip to Lime Rock to see the GTP race, a couple of meetings in
Hartford, and several runs down I-95 to visit friends in NJ, I didn't spend
much time there. I used to drive about 1,000 miles a week, that's a lot of
coffee and stops!

Route 2 from Leominster to Greenflield and from Greenfield to N. Adams
didn't have much in the way of places to stop but at least the trees were
plentiful!
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:50:47 -0500, Ray O wrote:
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>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.10.25.20.16.12.445964@ae86.gts...[color=green]
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:26:44 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2ossl11lt4i1t9dh5h3m7tj676tql0u2lg@4ax.com...
>>>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>>>>news:pan.2005.10.25.12.33.11.967861@ae86.gts...
>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:27:11 -0500, Ray O wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:pan.2005.10.24.23.40.53.794012@ae86.gts...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Damn, man!! You were in Chelmsford and you didn't tell me?!?!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would have met you somewhere for a beer, or a Sake, or a Crown
>>>>>>>> Royal!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, we weren't even in Chelmsford for 24 hours. Arrived around 6PM
>>>>>>> Friday, went to a wedding rehearsal dinner, went back to the hotel,
>>>>>>> woke
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> Saturday, went to the wedding and reception, and booked it back to
>>>>>>> Maine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next time, I'll have to try to schedule a hook-up time. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, I see. A 'business trip'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My guess is that, neither day did you NEED a beer! (I know how *I* am
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> weddings!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I behaved - 1 beer Friday evening and 1 vodka tonic at the wedding,
>>>>>followed
>>>>>by 3 cups of very good coffee. The coffee was a mistake though. Got
>>>>>stuck
>>>>>in traffic for 20 minutes on Storrow Dr. in Boston because a truck got
>>>>>stuck
>>>>>under a low underpass.
>>>>
>>>> You think -that- was bad Ray?...just you wait till you're -my-
>>>> age and have that happen!...jeez...
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> -Gord.
>>>> (use gordon in email)
>>>
>>> The joke in the office where I used to work is that Ray knew every coffee
>>> shop, Dunkin' Donuts, and rest stop in New England. As we were driving
>>> around southern Maine where my wife grew up, she was amazed that I knew
>>> more
>>> places to get rid of coffee than she did![/color]
>>
>> I'll match you on that in Western Mass, Northern CT and soutern VT!!!
>>[/color]
> Over the course of 10 years, I visited every dealer in MA, RI, NH, VT, and
> ME except for 2 or 3. Of course, some new ones have opened in the 13 years
> since we moved to Chicago. CT is covered from the NY regional office so
> other than a trip to Lime Rock to see the GTP race, a couple of meetings in
> Hartford, and several runs down I-95 to visit friends in NJ, I didn't spend
> much time there. I used to drive about 1,000 miles a week, that's a lot of
> coffee and stops!
>
> Route 2 from Leominster to Greenflield and from Greenfield to N. Adams
> didn't have much in the way of places to stop but at least the trees were
> plentiful![/color]


Yup! And you were safe until the leaves fell off!

However, now (and people don't believe me when I tell them this, but it is
TRUE!) if a cop comes up while you are, um, 'expressing' the coffe on the
side of the road, and decides you weren't far enough away from the road,
or just doesn't feel like being a Nice Guy, he can write you up for
Indecent Exposure in a Public Area...





And you have to register as a Sex Offender!!!!