1993 Previa and Kayaks

I would like to carry two fiberglass kayaks on my 1993 Toyota Previa. It has
a factory rack in place now. Is anyone carrying kayaks on their Previa? Did
you replace the factory rack and if so what did you replace it with? Each
kayak I want to carry weighs about 50 lbs. I see my existing rack can be
removed as each rail has two mounting points. My existing rack seems a bit
flimsy to use for transporting kayaks. Any information you have around the
1993 Previa roof rack / options would be appreciated.



Right now I carry the kayaks using a Yakima system on my F150 Supercrew but
I would like to bring the van into the picture to take advantage of its
better fuel economy. But I do not want to do that at the expense of the
kayaks flying off the roof when the existing roof rack gets torn from the
roof! :-)

bits wrote:
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> I would like to carry two fiberglass kayaks on my 1993 Toyota Previa.[/color]
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> Right now I carry the kayaks using a Yakima system on my F150
> Supercrew but I would like to bring the van into the picture to take
> advantage of its better fuel economy.[/color]

I would stick with a Yakima or Thule system. Strong, versatile,
removable. I can't really think of any vehicle where the factory
installed racks would be suitable for 100lbs worth of boats - Except
for maybe a Nissan Xterra.

Cheers,

--
Kevin Powick

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:53:31 GMT, "Kevin Powick" <nospam@spamless.com>
wrote:
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>bits wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I would like to carry two fiberglass kayaks on my 1993 Toyota Previa.[/color]
>[color=green]
>> Right now I carry the kayaks using a Yakima system on my F150
>> Supercrew but I would like to bring the van into the picture to take
>> advantage of its better fuel economy.[/color]
>
>I would stick with a Yakima or Thule system. Strong, versatile,
>removable. I can't really think of any vehicle where the factory
>installed racks would be suitable for 100lbs worth of boats - Except
>for maybe a Nissan Xterra.
>
>Cheers,[/color]


I looked at the Yakima site and they don't have a kayak system for
your vehicle.

Too bad....

They have an excellent one for my '92 Corolla Wagon...

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:28 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote:
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> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:53:31 GMT, "Kevin Powick" <nospam@spamless.com>
> wrote:
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>>bits wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I would like to carry two fiberglass kayaks on my 1993 Toyota Previa.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Right now I carry the kayaks using a Yakima system on my F150
>>> Supercrew but I would like to bring the van into the picture to take
>>> advantage of its better fuel economy.[/color]
>>
>>I would stick with a Yakima or Thule system. Strong, versatile,
>>removable. I can't really think of any vehicle where the factory
>>installed racks would be suitable for 100lbs worth of boats - Except
>>for maybe a Nissan Xterra.
>>
>>Cheers,[/color]
>
>
> I looked at the Yakima site and they don't have a kayak system for
> your vehicle.
>
> Too bad....
>
> They have an excellent one for my '92 Corolla Wagon...[/color]

You and youyr damned Corolla Wagon! ;)

What the hell are YOU doing hanging around? You haven't headed for the
hills yet?

Bet you won't be pissing in the Gulf tomorrow!

Scott in Florida wrote:
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> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:53:31 GMT, "Kevin Powick" <nospam@spamless.com>
> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>bits wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>I would like to carry two fiberglass kayaks on my 1993 Toyota Previa.
>>>
>>>Right now I carry the kayaks using a Yakima system on my F150
>>>Supercrew but I would like to bring the van into the picture to take
>>>advantage of its better fuel economy.
>>>[/color]
>>I would stick with a Yakima or Thule system. Strong, versatile,
>>removable. I can't really think of any vehicle where the factory
>>installed racks would be suitable for 100lbs worth of boats - Except
>>for maybe a Nissan Xterra.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>[/color]
>
>
> I looked at the Yakima site and they don't have a kayak system for
> your vehicle.
>
> Too bad....
>
> They have an excellent one for my '92 Corolla Wagon...
>
>[/color]
I use a Thule system on a lowered car.


The lower the car, the easier it is load and unload a boat. I watch

people struggle to load/unload canoes from minivans - standing on their
toes to reach the boat. I just slide the boats to the edge, bend at the
knees, and lift the boat. Little things make a big difference when you
get older. Even if you are young, it pays to lift properly - with your
legs.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:37:30 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote:
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>On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:28 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:53:31 GMT, "Kevin Powick" <nospam@spamless.com>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>bits wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to carry two fiberglass kayaks on my 1993 Toyota Previa.
>>>
>>>> Right now I carry the kayaks using a Yakima system on my F150
>>>> Supercrew but I would like to bring the van into the picture to take
>>>> advantage of its better fuel economy.
>>>
>>>I would stick with a Yakima or Thule system. Strong, versatile,
>>>removable. I can't really think of any vehicle where the factory
>>>installed racks would be suitable for 100lbs worth of boats - Except
>>>for maybe a Nissan Xterra.
>>>
>>>Cheers,[/color]
>>
>>
>> I looked at the Yakima site and they don't have a kayak system for
>> your vehicle.
>>
>> Too bad....
>>
>> They have an excellent one for my '92 Corolla Wagon...[/color]
>
>You and youyr damned Corolla Wagon! ;)
>
>What the hell are YOU doing hanging around? You haven't headed for the
>hills yet?
>
>Bet you won't be pissing in the Gulf tomorrow![/color]

Well...the Gulf may be pissin on me tomorrow...LOL

Should hit south of me...

Me and my pussies are all hunkered down...

--

Scott in Florida

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:40:41 -0400, ma_twain <ma_twain@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>
>
>Scott in Florida wrote:
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>> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:53:31 GMT, "Kevin Powick" <nospam@spamless.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>bits wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I would like to carry two fiberglass kayaks on my 1993 Toyota Previa.
>>>>
>>>>Right now I carry the kayaks using a Yakima system on my F150
>>>>Supercrew but I would like to bring the van into the picture to take
>>>>advantage of its better fuel economy.
>>>>
>>>I would stick with a Yakima or Thule system. Strong, versatile,
>>>removable. I can't really think of any vehicle where the factory
>>>installed racks would be suitable for 100lbs worth of boats - Except
>>>for maybe a Nissan Xterra.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>[/color]
>>
>>
>> I looked at the Yakima site and they don't have a kayak system for
>> your vehicle.
>>
>> Too bad....
>>
>> They have an excellent one for my '92 Corolla Wagon...
>>
>>[/color]
>I use a Thule system on a lowered car.
>
>
>The lower the car, the easier it is load and unload a boat. I watch
>
>people struggle to load/unload canoes from minivans - standing on their
>toes to reach the boat. I just slide the boats to the edge, bend at the
>knees, and lift the boat. Little things make a big difference when you
>get older. Even if you are young, it pays to lift properly - with your
>legs.
>
>[/color]
I hear ya...

I have loading down to a science....even though my car is a bit low.

Move the rear kayak saddle to the side of the Yakima rack.

Put a towel over the bar.

Lift the front of the kayak up on the rack.

Push it up on the car.

LIft up the back and move the saddle under the kayak.

Even an old fart can do it like that....LOL

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Scott in Florida

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"bits" <loveteam@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:_6R6f.5378$BZ5.784@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...[color=blue]
>I would like to carry two fiberglass kayaks on my 1993 Toyota Previa. It
>has a factory rack in place now. Is anyone carrying kayaks on their Previa?
>Did you replace the factory rack and if so what did you replace it with?
>Each kayak I want to carry weighs about 50 lbs. I see my existing rack can
>be removed as each rail has two mounting points. My existing rack seems a
>bit flimsy to use for transporting kayaks. Any information you have around
>the 1993 Previa roof rack / options would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Right now I carry the kayaks using a Yakima system on my F150 Supercrew
> but I would like to bring the van into the picture to take advantage of
> its better fuel economy. But I do not want to do that at the expense of
> the kayaks flying off the roof when the existing roof rack gets torn from
> the roof! :-)
>
>[/color]
We bought these things called Mighty Mounts made by Yakima from REI to
install a tray type bike rack on the roof of our '93 Previa. The Mighty
Mounts wrap around the cross bars of the factory rack and the bike tray
mounts to the Mighty Mounts. I don't know if you can mount the Kayak rack
on the Mighty Mounts or not, and Yakima probably doesn't recommend them
because the kayaks may weigh more than the capacity of the rack. If they are
the short river kayaks you probably wouldn't have a problem but the longer
narrow kayaks may be a problem. The factory rack is mounted to the roof
with nut-serts, which are basically threaded rivets. The biggest problem is
lift so if you tie the kayaks down to the front and rear and don't drive
very fast, you may be able to get around the lift problem.

We mounted a clamshell roof-top carrier box on the roof rack of the Previa
for a camping trip, and our highway mileage dropped from 23 or 24 down to 14
mpg. 2 kayaks on the roof will probably give similar results. We have
since gotten one of the long aerodynamic carriers from Yakima and it makes
little difference in fuel mileage on our Sequoia.

Good luck!
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

On 23-Oct-2005, "bits" <loveteam@pacbell.net> wrote:
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> Did you replace the factory rack and if so what did you replace it with?[/color]

If you're willing to make a rack, you can save a lot of money over the
cost of a Thule or Yakima rack that fits onto your existing Previa
rack. Given the age of the Previa, that might be a good idea. Check
out the ideas on Kayak Wiki, especially the first big paragraph.

[url]http://www.kayakforum.com/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/guille/wiki.pl?Roof_Racks[/url]

Mike

Thanks for all your input. Here is what Yakima suggests:

Hello, William. Thank You for your inquiry about Yakima Products, Inc!

We have a number of different ways to install a rack on your vehicle. they
all utilize the existing factory rack limiting it to 100 lbs. With both of
your kayaks you are over the weight limit. The best solutions would be to
install tracks beside your factory rack. You would need:

1 x Control Towers (set of 4 #8000214)

2 x Landing Pad 1 (pair #8000221)

1 x Crossbar (pair)

The crossbars come in 48", 58", 66", and 78" sizes you would need to do some
measuring to figure out how wide a bar you need. If you have any other
questions, please contact Customer Service at 888-925-0703 7am to 5pm
Pacific Time, Monday through Friday. If you reply to this email, please
include all previous correspondence.

Thank you,

Yakima Support


"Michael Daly" <michaelDaly@foo.bar> wrote in message
news:fbqdnat3ftxu4sHeRVn-3w@magma.ca...[color=blue]
> On 23-Oct-2005, "bits" <loveteam@pacbell.net> wrote:
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>> Did you replace the factory rack and if so what did you replace it with?[/color]
>
> If you're willing to make a rack, you can save a lot of money over the
> cost of a Thule or Yakima rack that fits onto your existing Previa
> rack. Given the age of the Previa, that might be a good idea. Check
> out the ideas on Kayak Wiki, especially the first big paragraph.
>
> [url]http://www.kayakforum.com/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/guille/wiki.pl?Roof_Racks[/url]
>
> Mike[/color]

Scott in Florida wrote:
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> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:40:41 -0400, ma_twain <ma_twain@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>
>>Scott in Florida wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:53:31 GMT, "Kevin Powick" <nospam@spamless.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>bits wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I would like to carry two fiberglass kayaks on my 1993 Toyota Previa.
>>>>>
>>>>>Right now I carry the kayaks using a Yakima system on my F150
>>>>>Supercrew but I would like to bring the van into the picture to take
>>>>>advantage of its better fuel economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>I would stick with a Yakima or Thule system. Strong, versatile,
>>>>removable. I can't really think of any vehicle where the factory
>>>>installed racks would be suitable for 100lbs worth of boats - Except
>>>>for maybe a Nissan Xterra.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I looked at the Yakima site and they don't have a kayak system for
>>>your vehicle.
>>>
>>>Too bad....
>>>
>>>They have an excellent one for my '92 Corolla Wagon...
>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>I use a Thule system on a lowered car.
>>
>>
>>The lower the car, the easier it is load and unload a boat. I watch
>>
>>people struggle to load/unload canoes from minivans - standing on their
>>toes to reach the boat. I just slide the boats to the edge, bend at the
>>knees, and lift the boat. Little things make a big difference when you
>>get older. Even if you are young, it pays to lift properly - with your
>>legs.
>>
>>
>>[/color]
> I hear ya...
>
> I have loading down to a science....even though my car is a bit low.
>
> Move the rear kayak saddle to the side of the Yakima rack.
>
> Put a towel over the bar.
>
> Lift the front of the kayak up on the rack.
>
> Push it up on the car.
>
> LIft up the back and move the saddle under the kayak.
>
> Even an old fart can do it like that....LOL
>
>[/color]
And how many pounds does your kayak weight? I went to REI and played with

their bent shaft carbon fiber shaft kayak paddles. They are sweet
compared to the old Norse fiberglassed aluminum paddles - the ones you
could use as a shovel. I went through 2 kayaks in my years of paddling
white water in the Potomac River, but I still have the original Norse.
I think it weighted as much as the boat!

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:24:56 -0500, ma_twain <ma_twain@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>
>
>Scott in Florida wrote:
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>> On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:40:41 -0400, ma_twain <ma_twain@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>Scott in Florida wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:53:31 GMT, "Kevin Powick" <nospam@spamless.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>bits wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I would like to carry two fiberglass kayaks on my 1993 Toyota Previa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Right now I carry the kayaks using a Yakima system on my F150
>>>>>>Supercrew but I would like to bring the van into the picture to take
>>>>>>advantage of its better fuel economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I would stick with a Yakima or Thule system. Strong, versatile,
>>>>>removable. I can't really think of any vehicle where the factory
>>>>>installed racks would be suitable for 100lbs worth of boats - Except
>>>>>for maybe a Nissan Xterra.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I looked at the Yakima site and they don't have a kayak system for
>>>>your vehicle.
>>>>
>>>>Too bad....
>>>>
>>>>They have an excellent one for my '92 Corolla Wagon...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I use a Thule system on a lowered car.
>>>
>>>
>>>The lower the car, the easier it is load and unload a boat. I watch
>>>
>>>people struggle to load/unload canoes from minivans - standing on their
>>>toes to reach the boat. I just slide the boats to the edge, bend at the
>>>knees, and lift the boat. Little things make a big difference when you
>>>get older. Even if you are young, it pays to lift properly - with your
>>>legs.
>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> I hear ya...
>>
>> I have loading down to a science....even though my car is a bit low.
>>
>> Move the rear kayak saddle to the side of the Yakima rack.
>>
>> Put a towel over the bar.
>>
>> Lift the front of the kayak up on the rack.
>>
>> Push it up on the car.
>>
>> LIft up the back and move the saddle under the kayak.
>>
>> Even an old fart can do it like that....LOL
>>
>>[/color]
>And how many pounds does your kayak weight? I went to REI and played with
>
>their bent shaft carbon fiber shaft kayak paddles. They are sweet
>compared to the old Norse fiberglassed aluminum paddles - the ones you
>could use as a shovel. I went through 2 kayaks in my years of paddling
>white water in the Potomac River, but I still have the original Norse.
>I think it weighted as much as the boat!
>[/color]

62 pounds. Wilderness Systems Tarpon 140, Sit On Top

[url]http://www.wildernesssystems.com/kayaks/sot/tarpon140.php[/url]

Oh yes....weight of paddles! They can get expensive as hell ;-)

The less weight....the less your wallet will weigh!

I use an Epic Touring Paddle

[url]http://www.epickayaks.com/products/details.aspx?nid=664&cid=1008[/url]



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Scott in Florida

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