Timing Belt

How much should it cost to get it changed out on my 01 Camry (4 cyl)? Is
there some kind of prefered belt I should have put on (kevlar -maybe)?

I guess I'll take it to a dealer for this and I imagine they warrant
it? While they have it apart , I'll have 'em do the hoses, belts and
what else should fall in line with this job? I imagine the coolant is
something they'd have to renew anyway.

TIA

CP

"Charles Pisano" <pisanochas@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> How much should it cost to get it changed out on my 01 Camry (4 cyl)? Is
> there some kind of prefered belt I should have put on (kevlar -maybe)?
>
> I guess I'll take it to a dealer for this and I imagine they warrant
> it? While they have it apart , I'll have 'em do the hoses, belts and
> what else should fall in line with this job? I imagine the coolant is
> something they'd have to renew anyway.
>
> TIA
>
> CP
>[/color]
You may want them to also replace the water pump as there is only a little
extra labor plus the cost of the water pump.
--
Ray O
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Charles Pisano wrote:
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> How much should it cost to get it changed out on my 01 Camry (4 cyl)? Is
> there some kind of prefered belt I should have put on (kevlar -maybe)?
>
> I guess I'll take it to a dealer for this and I imagine they warrant
> it? While they have it apart , I'll have 'em do the hoses, belts and
> what else should fall in line with this job? I imagine the coolant is
> something they'd have to renew anyway.
>
> TIA
>
> CP
>[/color]

Charles,

The normal job requires removing the plastic shroad covering the belt.
One engine mount has to be temp removed. I would always use a geninue
Toyota belt and there is only one kind. They should last over 60K
miles. The water has to be drained if the hoses are to be replaced
which is a good idea. Belts too. The water pump is actually driven by
the timing belt so it's always good to replace that too. If the timing
belt is being replaced for the second time I always replace the idler
pulley and tension spring that the belt rides on. This should leave
everything except the thermostat but that's fairly easy to get to later
if it gives problems. I've heard there is a new thermostat available
that always sticks in the open position when it fails--sounds good. If
you want more info on this type job, there are a few sites on the
internet that tell how to change this timing belt.

Joey

I was surprised when I asked dealer to do waterpump at same time (75k
miles) - and he said they'd check it and replace if necessary. They said it
wasn't necessary but that the oil pump o-ring was leaking so they replaced
that. 60k miles later and no water pump problems yet.
I has a special offer dealer coupon (check on line) that made the repair
~$200 on a 4 cyl (offer is still available but might have gone up $10-20).

Sample discount coupon -
[url]http://dealer.webmakerx.net/Images/Site/Toyota-of-Santa-Barbara/Document/service&parts.pdf[/url].

"Charles Pisano" <pisanochas@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20702-438657A6-257@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net...[color=blue]
> How much should it cost to get it changed out on my 01 Camry (4 cyl)? Is
> there some kind of prefered belt I should have put on (kevlar -maybe)?
>
> I guess I'll take it to a dealer for this and I imagine they warrant
> it? While they have it apart , I'll have 'em do the hoses, belts and
> what else should fall in line with this job? I imagine the coolant is
> something they'd have to renew anyway.
>
> TIA
>
> CP
>[/color]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:22:52 -0500, Wolfgang wrote:
[color=blue]
> I was surprised when I asked dealer to do waterpump at same time (75k
> miles) - and he said they'd check it and replace if necessary. They said it
> wasn't necessary but that the oil pump o-ring was leaking so they replaced
> that. 60k miles later and no water pump problems yet.
> I has a special offer dealer coupon (check on line) that made the repair
> ~$200 on a 4 cyl (offer is still available but might have gone up $10-20).[/color]

Yeah, a LOT of people recommend replacing the water pump when you do the
timing belt.

However, on most of the models I have or have owned, the water pump has
NOTHING to do with the timing belt. At all.

The Toys I know about (that I have bought new) are or have been on their
original water pumps for over 200,000 miles, except my '80 Corolla SR-5
that needed a new pump at 180,000.

The pump will let you know when it needs replacement. They sound like hell
when they're about to let go.

[color=blue]
>
> Sample discount coupon -
> [url]http://dealer.webmakerx.net/Images/Site/Toyota-of-Santa-Barbara/Document/service&parts.pdf[/url].
>
> "Charles Pisano" <pisanochas@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:20702-438657A6-257@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net...[color=green]
>> How much should it cost to get it changed out on my 01 Camry (4 cyl)? Is
>> there some kind of prefered belt I should have put on (kevlar -maybe)?
>>
>> I guess I'll take it to a dealer for this and I imagine they warrant
>> it? While they have it apart , I'll have 'em do the hoses, belts and
>> what else should fall in line with this job? I imagine the coolant is
>> something they'd have to renew anyway.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> CP
>>[/color][/color]

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If a Vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.11.25.16.33.26.11464@ae86.GTS...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:22:52 -0500, Wolfgang wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I was surprised when I asked dealer to do waterpump at same time (75k
>> miles) - and he said they'd check it and replace if necessary. They said
>> it
>> wasn't necessary but that the oil pump o-ring was leaking so they
>> replaced
>> that. 60k miles later and no water pump problems yet.
>> I has a special offer dealer coupon (check on line) that made the repair
>> ~$200 on a 4 cyl (offer is still available but might have gone up
>> $10-20).[/color]
>
> Yeah, a LOT of people recommend replacing the water pump when you do the
> timing belt.
>
> However, on most of the models I have or have owned, the water pump has
> NOTHING to do with the timing belt. At all.
>
> The Toys I know about (that I have bought new) are or have been on their
> original water pumps for over 200,000 miles, except my '80 Corolla SR-5
> that needed a new pump at 180,000.
>
> The pump will let you know when it needs replacement. They sound like hell
> when they're about to let go.
>[/color]

IT is disingenuous to state water pumps usually fail with lots of noise.

Consider WHY pump bearings fail in the first place. They fail because of
lubricant loss. Why does this happen? Typically, the coolant weep hole on
the underside of the pump becomes CLOGGED with antifreeze that has leaked
past the mechanical seal or between the seal and the pump housing and
external dirt. Now you've got a leak that cannot drain so ... this escaped
coolant works its way into the two bearings. Guess what happens next?

When the water pump failed on the 90 Prizm at 160k miles, there was no
noise. The FIRST clue was a small puddle of coolant on the floor in the
morning. The first replacement water pump failed the same way. A small
puddle of coolant on the floor in the morning. NEITHER pump was allowed to
progress to the point of bearing failure ... which is what you describe.

Most often, replacing the cam belt involves as much labor and going in for
only the water pump. But if the dealer can talk you into replacing the pump
"only if we find it failing" ... are banking on a failure in the near future
than will get you back in for only the pump which ... will make them more
money than had you replaced both cam belt and pump when the car was in for
only the cam belt.

If I owned an engine with cam belts and a buried water pump, and the belt(s)
were ripe for replacement, there is no way I'm not replacing the water pump
too since everything is apart just for the belt(s).

--

- Philip

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:39:39 +0000, Philip wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.11.25.16.33.26.11464@ae86.GTS...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:22:52 -0500, Wolfgang wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I was surprised when I asked dealer to do waterpump at same time (75k
>>> miles) - and he said they'd check it and replace if necessary. They said
>>> it
>>> wasn't necessary but that the oil pump o-ring was leaking so they
>>> replaced
>>> that. 60k miles later and no water pump problems yet.
>>> I has a special offer dealer coupon (check on line) that made the repair
>>> ~$200 on a 4 cyl (offer is still available but might have gone up
>>> $10-20).[/color]
>>
>> Yeah, a LOT of people recommend replacing the water pump when you do the
>> timing belt.
>>
>> However, on most of the models I have or have owned, the water pump has
>> NOTHING to do with the timing belt. At all.
>>
>> The Toys I know about (that I have bought new) are or have been on their
>> original water pumps for over 200,000 miles, except my '80 Corolla SR-5
>> that needed a new pump at 180,000.
>>
>> The pump will let you know when it needs replacement. They sound like hell
>> when they're about to let go.
>>[/color]
>
> IT is disingenuous to state water pumps usually fail with lots of noise.
>
> Consider WHY pump bearings fail in the first place. They fail because of
> lubricant loss. Why does this happen? Typically, the coolant weep hole on
> the underside of the pump becomes CLOGGED with antifreeze that has leaked
> past the mechanical seal or between the seal and the pump housing and
> external dirt. Now you've got a leak that cannot drain so ... this escaped
> coolant works its way into the two bearings. Guess what happens next?
>
> When the water pump failed on the 90 Prizm at 160k miles, there was no
> noise. The FIRST clue was a small puddle of coolant on the floor in the
> morning. The first replacement water pump failed the same way. A small
> puddle of coolant on the floor in the morning. NEITHER pump was allowed to
> progress to the point of bearing failure ... which is what you describe.
>
> Most often, replacing the cam belt involves as much labor and going in for
> only the water pump. But if the dealer can talk you into replacing the pump
> "only if we find it failing" ... are banking on a failure in the near future
> than will get you back in for only the pump which ... will make them more
> money than had you replaced both cam belt and pump when the car was in for
> only the cam belt.
>
> If I owned an engine with cam belts and a buried water pump, and the belt(s)
> were ripe for replacement, there is no way I'm not replacing the water pump
> too since everything is apart just for the belt(s).[/color]

Well, all my 'yotas have the water pump right where I can get to them.

--
If a Vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.11.26.02.20.28.373@ae86.GTS...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:39:39 +0000, Philip wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2005.11.25.16.33.26.11464@ae86.GTS...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:22:52 -0500, Wolfgang wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was surprised when I asked dealer to do waterpump at same time (75k
>>>> miles) - and he said they'd check it and replace if necessary. They
>>>> said
>>>> it
>>>> wasn't necessary but that the oil pump o-ring was leaking so they
>>>> replaced
>>>> that. 60k miles later and no water pump problems yet.
>>>> I has a special offer dealer coupon (check on line) that made the
>>>> repair
>>>> ~$200 on a 4 cyl (offer is still available but might have gone up
>>>> $10-20).
>>>
>>> Yeah, a LOT of people recommend replacing the water pump when you do the
>>> timing belt.
>>>
>>> However, on most of the models I have or have owned, the water pump has
>>> NOTHING to do with the timing belt. At all.
>>>
>>> The Toys I know about (that I have bought new) are or have been on their
>>> original water pumps for over 200,000 miles, except my '80 Corolla SR-5
>>> that needed a new pump at 180,000.
>>>
>>> The pump will let you know when it needs replacement. They sound like
>>> hell
>>> when they're about to let go.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> IT is disingenuous to state water pumps usually fail with lots of noise.
>>
>> Consider WHY pump bearings fail in the first place. They fail because of
>> lubricant loss. Why does this happen? Typically, the coolant weep hole
>> on
>> the underside of the pump becomes CLOGGED with antifreeze that has leaked
>> past the mechanical seal or between the seal and the pump housing and
>> external dirt. Now you've got a leak that cannot drain so ... this
>> escaped
>> coolant works its way into the two bearings. Guess what happens next?
>>
>> When the water pump failed on the 90 Prizm at 160k miles, there was no
>> noise. The FIRST clue was a small puddle of coolant on the floor in the
>> morning. The first replacement water pump failed the same way. A small
>> puddle of coolant on the floor in the morning. NEITHER pump was allowed
>> to
>> progress to the point of bearing failure ... which is what you describe.
>>
>> Most often, replacing the cam belt involves as much labor and going in
>> for
>> only the water pump. But if the dealer can talk you into replacing the
>> pump
>> "only if we find it failing" ... are banking on a failure in the near
>> future
>> than will get you back in for only the pump which ... will make them more
>> money than had you replaced both cam belt and pump when the car was in
>> for
>> only the cam belt.
>>
>> If I owned an engine with cam belts and a buried water pump, and the
>> belt(s)
>> were ripe for replacement, there is no way I'm not replacing the water
>> pump
>> too since everything is apart just for the belt(s).[/color]
>
> Well, all my 'yotas have the water pump right where I can get to them.
>
> --[/color]

What's the latest or last Toyota you bought? Does it have pushrods or rear
wheel drive? LOL
--

- Philip

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:41:16 +0000, Philip wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.11.26.02.20.28.373@ae86.GTS...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:39:39 +0000, Philip wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2005.11.25.16.33.26.11464@ae86.GTS...
>>>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:22:52 -0500, Wolfgang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was surprised when I asked dealer to do waterpump at same time (75k
>>>>> miles) - and he said they'd check it and replace if necessary. They
>>>>> said
>>>>> it
>>>>> wasn't necessary but that the oil pump o-ring was leaking so they
>>>>> replaced
>>>>> that. 60k miles later and no water pump problems yet.
>>>>> I has a special offer dealer coupon (check on line) that made the
>>>>> repair
>>>>> ~$200 on a 4 cyl (offer is still available but might have gone up
>>>>> $10-20).
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, a LOT of people recommend replacing the water pump when you do the
>>>> timing belt.
>>>>
>>>> However, on most of the models I have or have owned, the water pump has
>>>> NOTHING to do with the timing belt. At all.
>>>>
>>>> The Toys I know about (that I have bought new) are or have been on their
>>>> original water pumps for over 200,000 miles, except my '80 Corolla SR-5
>>>> that needed a new pump at 180,000.
>>>>
>>>> The pump will let you know when it needs replacement. They sound like
>>>> hell
>>>> when they're about to let go.
>>>>
>>>
>>> IT is disingenuous to state water pumps usually fail with lots of noise.
>>>
>>> Consider WHY pump bearings fail in the first place. They fail because of
>>> lubricant loss. Why does this happen? Typically, the coolant weep hole
>>> on
>>> the underside of the pump becomes CLOGGED with antifreeze that has leaked
>>> past the mechanical seal or between the seal and the pump housing and
>>> external dirt. Now you've got a leak that cannot drain so ... this
>>> escaped
>>> coolant works its way into the two bearings. Guess what happens next?
>>>
>>> When the water pump failed on the 90 Prizm at 160k miles, there was no
>>> noise. The FIRST clue was a small puddle of coolant on the floor in the
>>> morning. The first replacement water pump failed the same way. A small
>>> puddle of coolant on the floor in the morning. NEITHER pump was allowed
>>> to
>>> progress to the point of bearing failure ... which is what you describe.
>>>
>>> Most often, replacing the cam belt involves as much labor and going in
>>> for
>>> only the water pump. But if the dealer can talk you into replacing the
>>> pump
>>> "only if we find it failing" ... are banking on a failure in the near
>>> future
>>> than will get you back in for only the pump which ... will make them more
>>> money than had you replaced both cam belt and pump when the car was in
>>> for
>>> only the cam belt.
>>>
>>> If I owned an engine with cam belts and a buried water pump, and the
>>> belt(s)
>>> were ripe for replacement, there is no way I'm not replacing the water
>>> pump
>>> too since everything is apart just for the belt(s).[/color]
>>
>> Well, all my 'yotas have the water pump right where I can get to them.
>>
>> --[/color]
>
> What's the latest or last Toyota you bought? Does it have pushrods or rear
> wheel drive? LOL[/color]

The LATEST was the '95 Tercel. We were going to do the water pump...oh,
wait, we did...after I sold the car. But, it was hanging right out there
in the open, driven by it's own little belt.

All the rest are RWD. That'll give you a hint...

--
I've spent a great deal of money on Whiskey, Women and Fast Cars

The rest I've squandered.

I was quoted a price of 199 to do the belt. They said they would LOOK at
the pump but not replace it unless needed. They said the hoses wont need
replacing either. I was also quoted 119 for a 3 day weekend rental on a
sienna. Those prices are with the discounts. 50 off of the belt job and
a service department credit on the rental.

So, not bad. I get to try out the Sienna up to 500 miles and got a good
deal on the work. I will probably insist on them replacing the water
pump. I can do the hoses later.

How hard is the WP on THIS MODEL?

tanks

CP

On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:41:38 -0500, [email]pisanochas@webtv.net[/email] (Charles
Pisano) wrote:
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>I was quoted a price of 199 to do the belt. They said they would LOOK at
>the pump but not replace it unless needed. They said the hoses wont need
>replacing either. I was also quoted 119 for a 3 day weekend rental on a
>sienna. Those prices are with the discounts. 50 off of the belt job and
>a service department credit on the rental.[/color]

Were I you, I'd insist on and pay the extra for replacement of the
waterpump.
[color=blue]
>
>So, not bad. I get to try out the Sienna up to 500 miles and got a good
>deal on the work. I will probably insist on them replacing the water
>pump. I can do the hoses later.
>
>How hard is the WP on THIS MODEL?[/color]

Not hard once you take off the same stuff you need to remove to do the
timing belt. You can't "look" at a water pump and determine that it's
ok. Replace it.

[color=blue]
>
>tanks
>
>CP[/color]
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"Charles Pisano" <pisanochas@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16116-439621B2-483@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net...[color=blue]
>I was quoted a price of 199 to do the belt. They said they would LOOK at
> the pump but not replace it unless needed. They said the hoses wont need
> replacing either. I was also quoted 119 for a 3 day weekend rental on a
> sienna. Those prices are with the discounts. 50 off of the belt job and
> a service department credit on the rental.
>
> So, not bad. I get to try out the Sienna up to 500 miles and got a good
> deal on the work. I will probably insist on them replacing the water
> pump. I can do the hoses later.
>
> How hard is the WP on THIS MODEL?
>
> tanks
>
> CP
>[/color]

What model?
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

Sorry. didn't realize OP was gone.

Looking forward to trying the sienna and seeing what I get out of a tank
of gas. \

They also said the price of the rental would be taken off of the price
of a Sienna if I BUY one. That isn't a concession at all really since
the price is so arbitrary anyway.. But I guess for the uninitiated it
can seem to be.
CP

Also he was talking about cam shaft seals and crank seals? I think is
what he said he was going to inspect. He said they go alot on that
vehicle. True?

CP

"Charles Pisano" <pisanochas@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:17057-43964E7A-2317@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net...[color=blue]
> Also he was talking about cam shaft seals and crank seals? I think is
> what he said he was going to inspect. He said they go alot on that
> vehicle. True?
>
> CP
>[/color]
What vehicle? I'm not aware of any Toyota with a high failure rate on cam
shaft and crank shaft seals.
--
Ray O
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