Toyota or Honda

On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 20:32:21 -0500, flobert <nomail@here.NOT> wrote:
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>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:00:30 -0500, Nobody Important
><Dr.Xenon1@nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Ray O wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Toyota uses a material
>>> called galvanealled steel which has much of the same corrosion resistant
>>> properties as galvanized steel...[/color]
>>
>>I take my 99 Camry to a local rustproofing business every fall for an
>>oil spray. (I'm in Ontario, Canada where they use tons of salt on the
>>roads.) Some people tell me I'm crazy to do this because Toyotas don't
>>have a rust problem. Are they right? To my way of thinking, even
>>Japanese steel rusts. (Perhaps Toy gets its steel from China these days?)[/color]
>
>Argentina, last 4 yaers, before that they used much higher quality
>steel from Turkey[/color]

And we'll all just believe that nonsense, even without evidence! 8)

"flobert" <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:44:21 -0600, "Ray O"
> <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
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>>
>>"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
>>news:pan.2005.12.01.18.12.23.53.3202@bbbb.com...[color=darkred]
>>> I'm really close to buying either a Corolla or a
>>> Camry. But the closer I get to making a decision, the
>>> more I start thinking about the Honda Civic or Accord.
>>>
>>> I plan on owning the car for 10 or 15 years. Of
>>> the four, which do you think will be most mechanically
>>> reliable with regard to the engine, automatic tranz,
>>> suspension, etc.: Corolla, Civic, Camry, or Accord?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any tips.[/color]
>>
>>I have heard of both Honda and Camry transmissions failing at around
>>175,000
>>miles if they are not serviced properly. I have not heard that problem
>>with
>>Corollas.[/color]
> on theother hand, my wife's civic, after almost 20 years, is still
> going great on the original transmission, even with the less than
> routine maintainance she does.
>
> Naughty naughty fo the slight of hand, btw - dismissing all hondas
> with one sweep aint good, or accurate.
>[/color]

That was an unfortunate mistake on my part. I meant Honda Accords.
--
Ray O
correct the return address punctuation to reply

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:23:12 GMT, "Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote:

You have four good choices and will probably be happy with any of
them. Pick the one that you feel most comfortable driving... or the
one you can get the best deal on.

I personally lean towards Toys, but enjoyed the Honda that I owned
years ago. I put 180K miles on an '88 Corolla that was a wonderful
reliable and easy to maintain car. I have 150K miles on a '95 Camry
that I drive daily. Another fabulous car. I bought a new Corolla
last year and love it, too.

Best wishes!
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>I'm really close to buying either a Corolla or a
>Camry. But the closer I get to making a decision, the
>more I start thinking about the Honda Civic or Accord.
>
> I plan on owning the car for 10 or 15 years. Of
>the four, which do you think will be most mechanically
>reliable with regard to the engine, automatic tranz,
>suspension, etc.: Corolla, Civic, Camry, or Accord?
>
> Thanks for any tips.[/color]

I would say either Honda or Toyota would be good as far as drive train,
engine and comfort are concerned.
If you live in the snow belt. I'd opt for the Toyota. The Honda brand
rusts out very quickly. There are many Hondas that are only a couple of
years old with major rust behind the wheels above the rear bumper cover.
The front fenders develop ugly rust very fast.

If you live in non-snowy areas, this probably would not be a concern to you.

JJ

--
We were so busy having fun
that all the uncool people
took over the world.
-- Salman Rushdie


"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.12.01.18.12.23.53.3202@bbbb.com...[color=blue]
> I'm really close to buying either a Corolla or a
> Camry. But the closer I get to making a decision, the
> more I start thinking about the Honda Civic or Accord.
>
> I plan on owning the car for 10 or 15 years. Of
> the four, which do you think will be most mechanically
> reliable with regard to the engine, automatic tranz,
> suspension, etc.: Corolla, Civic, Camry, or Accord?
>
> Thanks for any tips.[/color]

You siad - "Your mufflers statement reminds me one more thing about
camry: my '95 camry @ 197 k miles runs still on the original exhaust!"

This is not uncommon for cars with stainless steel exhaust systems. My
'86 Sable had the original exhaust when it was hauled to the junk yard
in 2001 after getting in the way of a tree. My '97 Expedition had the
OE exhaust when it was traded with 147,000 miles. On the other hand
aluminiuzed steel mufflers aren't nearly as durable. As far as I can
tell, my Sister's Honda had stainless steel parts up to the muffler.
Why the muffler wasn't stainless steel is a mystery.

Ed

"Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1133794757.379476.254190@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> You siad - "Your mufflers statement reminds me one more thing about
> camry: my '95 camry @ 197 k miles runs still on the original exhaust!"
>
> This is not uncommon for cars with stainless steel exhaust systems. My
> '86 Sable had the original exhaust when it was hauled to the junk yard
> in 2001 after getting in the way of a tree. My '97 Expedition had the
> OE exhaust when it was traded with 147,000 miles. On the other hand
> aluminiuzed steel mufflers aren't nearly as durable. As far as I can
> tell, my Sister's Honda had stainless steel parts up to the muffler.
> Why the muffler wasn't stainless steel is a mystery.[/color]

Will the same exhaust system (stainless) be installed in
accord, camry as in civic and corolla? Or altima and sentra?

I had a 97 Corolla , it ran good and never gave me major trouble until I
sold it this year. The damn dealer got a good deal from me. I only trade it
2500 for it.
Anyhow ,to me. Corolla is not a comfortable car and it did has some minor
problems (battery , light bulbs, seat belt stuck...) in my 8 years driving.
But it would never gave you big problem and it seems can keep running and
running. (I did not do a good maintenace on the Corolla cause I think it did
not need it :>)
Henry

"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.12.01.18.12.23.53.3202@bbbb.com...[color=blue]
> I'm really close to buying either a Corolla or a
> Camry. But the closer I get to making a decision, the
> more I start thinking about the Honda Civic or Accord.
>
> I plan on owning the car for 10 or 15 years. Of
> the four, which do you think will be most mechanically
> reliable with regard to the engine, automatic tranz,
> suspension, etc.: Corolla, Civic, Camry, or Accord?
>
> Thanks for any tips.
>[/color]

"High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.12.03.03.33.31.758419@hightech.misfit...[color=blue]
> Dave L wrote:
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>>> As far as I know, all Toyota and Honda 4-bangers currently in production
>>> are chain-driven. The V6 engines are still belt-driven, however.[/color]
>>
>> My '05 Accord 4-cylinder is belt driven. The Camry should be chain
>> driven,
>> as well as the Scion tC (which shares the same engine as the Camry).[/color]
>
> Are you sure your Accord has a timing belt? I am 99% positive it has been
> chain-driven since the 2003 redesign.[/color]

Sorry for the delayed response - I stand corrected. The owner's manual has
a schedule for a timing belt for the 6-cylinder but not the 4-cylinder! I
was assuming it was a belt, was told it was a belt, and ran with that
information.

Thanks - makes me feel even better about my Accord. (Not taking anything
away from Toyotas - excellent cars too!)

-Dave