Corolla pinging - old timing belt?

On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:32:03 GMT, "Philip"
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>"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
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>> On 19 Dec 2005 06:47:20 -0800, "Learning Richard"
>> <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>Larry Webb wrote:
>>>> Learning Richard wrote:
>>>> > Ray O wrote:
>>>> >> "Dan" <drnwnr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:1133544688.753335.53540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> '95 Corolla 4A-FE, 80k miles, pings under load (when climbing hill),
>>>> >>> mainly on days when the air is dry. It also seems to have a harder
>>>> >>> time
>>>> >>> climbing.
>>>> >>> The car eats some 1/2 quart of oil between changes.
>>>> >>> I tried several brands of fuel additives with no improvement.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Timing belt is the original. Could changing the belt fix the
>>>> >>> pinging?
>>>> >>> Or maybe the timing needs to be adjusted?
>>>> >>> How is this done on a 95 Corolla?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thanks.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> You should think about changing the timing belt although it will not
>>>> >> have
>>>> >> any effect on the pinging.
>>>> >
>>>> > Yo Ray... I asked this question some time ago, and I got no strong
>>>> > answers... My Corolla has 105k on it now. Its a 95 too. Man it is
>>>> > rock solid... but, who knows about the timing belt? The owner's
>>>> > manual
>>>> > says basically, don't bother changing it unless you drive the car like
>>>> > its a taxi cab.
>>>> >
>>>> > You think its worth changing? Why?
>>>> >
>>>> It's worth changing because it's not if it will fail, it's when.
>>>
>>>I go by the book. And, my book (i.e. the official Toyota Corolla
>>>Owner's Manual) says not to bother changing it unless its a taxi cab.
>>>And it ain't. I don't like throwing money down the drain, and I would
>>>like to think I can trust the owner's manual. Besides, my engine is
>>>non-interference, so I'm not so worried about as Rumsfeld says,
>>>"collateral damage".
>>>
>>>On the other hand, if I need to replace say, the water pump or
>>>something at a certain mileage, I'll throw in the timing belt for the
>>>hell of it.
>>>
>>>> What if
>>>> it fails on the way to the emergency room?
>>>
>>>I'll never drive another Toyota if it fails _anywhere_ due to the
>>>timing belt, since that will mean I can no longer trust what they print
>>>in their official manuals.[/color]
>>
>> Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
>>
>> --
>> gburnore at DataBasix dot Com[/color]
>
>"LR" has always been a whiner's whiner.[/color]

Hardly. It was funny. I didn't see it as a whine.
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
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>Taking something apart is usually pretty easy...
>It's getting it back together again that can sometimes pose a challenge ;-)[/color]

Yes especially if you specify that you must not have any parts
left over... :)
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> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
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>>Taking something apart is usually pretty easy...
>>It's getting it back together again that can sometimes pose a challenge
>>;-)[/color]
>
> Yes especially if you specify that you must not have any parts
> left over... :)
> --
>
> -Gord.
> (use gordon in email)[/color]

Aw, come on! That makes it at least twice as difficult!

That reminds me of a friend/former co-worker who used to be a service
trainer. When he taught automatic transmission class to dealer techs, he
would keep a handful of valve body check balls in his pocket. During the
hands-on portion of the class, the techs had to completely disassemble the
transmission on a bench and put it back together. He would walk around the
classroom, ostensibly checking the progress of each team, and
surreptitiously drop a couple of extra check balls into their pile of parts.
The guys who ended up with no extra parts had to do it all over again!
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
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>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>Taking something apart is usually pretty easy...
>>>It's getting it back together again that can sometimes pose a challenge
>>>;-)[/color]
>>
>> Yes especially if you specify that you must not have any parts
>> left over... :)
>> --
>>
>> -Gord.
>> (use gordon in email)[/color]
>
>Aw, come on! That makes it at least twice as difficult!
>
>That reminds me of a friend/former co-worker who used to be a service
>trainer. When he taught automatic transmission class to dealer techs, he
>would keep a handful of valve body check balls in his pocket. During the
>hands-on portion of the class, the techs had to completely disassemble the
>transmission on a bench and put it back together. He would walk around the
>classroom, ostensibly checking the progress of each team, and
>surreptitiously drop a couple of extra check balls into their pile of parts.
>The guys who ended up with no extra parts had to do it all over again![/color]

Good one!...
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"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
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> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
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>>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>news:lhbhq1951g0tktuicob55etiehej1oren1@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Taking something apart is usually pretty easy...
>>>>It's getting it back together again that can sometimes pose a challenge
>>>>;-)
>>>
>>> Yes especially if you specify that you must not have any parts
>>> left over... :)
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Gord.
>>> (use gordon in email)[/color]
>>
>>Aw, come on! That makes it at least twice as difficult!
>>
>>That reminds me of a friend/former co-worker who used to be a service
>>trainer. When he taught automatic transmission class to dealer techs, he
>>would keep a handful of valve body check balls in his pocket. During the
>>hands-on portion of the class, the techs had to completely disassemble the
>>transmission on a bench and put it back together. He would walk around
>>the
>>classroom, ostensibly checking the progress of each team, and
>>surreptitiously drop a couple of extra check balls into their pile of
>>parts.
>>The guys who ended up with no extra parts had to do it all over again![/color]
>
> Good one!...
> --
>
> -Gord.
> (use gordon in email)[/color]

The people who passed his class knew what they were doing!
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:20:12 -0600, "Ray O"
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>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>>news:lhbhq1951g0tktuicob55etiehej1oren1@4ax.com...
>>>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Taking something apart is usually pretty easy...
>>>>>It's getting it back together again that can sometimes pose a challenge
>>>>>;-)
>>>>
>>>> Yes especially if you specify that you must not have any parts
>>>> left over... :)
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> -Gord.
>>>> (use gordon in email)
>>>
>>>Aw, come on! That makes it at least twice as difficult!
>>>
>>>That reminds me of a friend/former co-worker who used to be a service
>>>trainer. When he taught automatic transmission class to dealer techs, he
>>>would keep a handful of valve body check balls in his pocket. During the
>>>hands-on portion of the class, the techs had to completely disassemble the
>>>transmission on a bench and put it back together. He would walk around
>>>the
>>>classroom, ostensibly checking the progress of each team, and
>>>surreptitiously drop a couple of extra check balls into their pile of
>>>parts.
>>>The guys who ended up with no extra parts had to do it all over again![/color]
>>
>> Good one!...
>> --
>>
>> -Gord.
>> (use gordon in email)[/color]
>
>The people who passed his class knew what they were doing![/color]

Or, more precicely, what HE was doing.
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"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:20:12 -0600, "Ray O"
> <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
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>>
>>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>news:7qhhq1pe33tjhl4i9shnrd1bac19bhtmiq@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:lhbhq1951g0tktuicob55etiehej1oren1@4ax.com...
>>>>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Taking something apart is usually pretty easy...
>>>>>>It's getting it back together again that can sometimes pose a
>>>>>>challenge
>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes especially if you specify that you must not have any parts
>>>>> left over... :)
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> -Gord.
>>>>> (use gordon in email)
>>>>
>>>>Aw, come on! That makes it at least twice as difficult!
>>>>
>>>>That reminds me of a friend/former co-worker who used to be a service
>>>>trainer. When he taught automatic transmission class to dealer techs,
>>>>he
>>>>would keep a handful of valve body check balls in his pocket. During
>>>>the
>>>>hands-on portion of the class, the techs had to completely disassemble
>>>>the
>>>>transmission on a bench and put it back together. He would walk around
>>>>the
>>>>classroom, ostensibly checking the progress of each team, and
>>>>surreptitiously drop a couple of extra check balls into their pile of
>>>>parts.
>>>>The guys who ended up with no extra parts had to do it all over again!
>>>
>>> Good one!...
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Gord.
>>> (use gordon in email)[/color]
>>
>>The people who passed his class knew what they were doing![/color]
>
> Or, more precicely, what HE was doing.
> --
> gburnore at DataBasix dot Com[/color]

True!
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Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
> "Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
> news:lhbhq1951g0tktuicob55etiehej1oren1@4ax.com...[color=green]
> > "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >>
> >>Taking something apart is usually pretty easy...
> >>It's getting it back together again that can sometimes pose a challenge
> >>;-)[/color]
> >
> > Yes especially if you specify that you must not have any parts
> > left over... :)
> > --
> >
> > -Gord.
> > (use gordon in email)[/color]
>
> Aw, come on! That makes it at least twice as difficult![/color]

I have a coffee can filled with leftover screws from PCs, cars,
what-have-you

On 21 Dec 2005 11:29:08 -0800, "Learning Richard"
<learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Ray O wrote:[color=green]
>> "Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>> news:lhbhq1951g0tktuicob55etiehej1oren1@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>> > "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Taking something apart is usually pretty easy...
>> >>It's getting it back together again that can sometimes pose a challenge
>> >>;-)
>> >
>> > Yes especially if you specify that you must not have any parts
>> > left over... :)
>> > --
>> >
>> > -Gord.
>> > (use gordon in email)[/color]
>>
>> Aw, come on! That makes it at least twice as difficult![/color]
>
>I have a coffee can filled with leftover screws from PCs, cars,
>what-have-you[/color]

In te case of the story snipped here, I think he was suggesting they
were somehow putting the extra parts somewhere within the tranny.

Were it possible (doubtful), it'd break something.
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"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> On 21 Dec 2005 11:29:08 -0800, "Learning Richard"
> <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>Ray O wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>> news:lhbhq1951g0tktuicob55etiehej1oren1@4ax.com...
>>> > "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOT.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>Taking something apart is usually pretty easy...
>>> >>It's getting it back together again that can sometimes pose a
>>> >>challenge
>>> >>;-)
>>> >
>>> > Yes especially if you specify that you must not have any parts
>>> > left over... :)
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > -Gord.
>>> > (use gordon in email)
>>>
>>> Aw, come on! That makes it at least twice as difficult![/color]
>>
>>I have a coffee can filled with leftover screws from PCs, cars,
>>what-have-you[/color]
>
> In te case of the story snipped here, I think he was suggesting they
> were somehow putting the extra parts somewhere within the tranny.
>
> Were it possible (doubtful), it'd break something.
> --
> gburnore at DataBasix dot Com[/color]

The instructor was putting extra check balls in the pile of transmission
parts. If the student put the transmission back together correctly, there
should have been extra check balls left over. We had about a half dozen of
each type of automatic transmission and transaxle that got disassembled and
reassembled a dozen or so times a year.

We had a gearhead's dream shop, with
6 fully equipped Snap-On tool boxes
1 huge Snap-On box with just about everything Snap-On made for the technical
guys
2 vehicle lifts with in-floor lights to illuminate the undercarriage
Some offices had Terrazzo floors, others had epoxy covered floors. The
Terrazzo was super-slippery if any oil spilled and stained easily so offices
that got remodeled got epoxy non-skid floors
screw-type compressor and drier
A computerized alignment machine (replaced every time Hunter came out with a
new one)
A Sun engine analyzer (also replaced every time Sun came out with a new one)
Cherry picker, engine stand, transmission stand, jacks, etc.
Every Toyota SST made for the past 30 years
Hunter spin balancer
The usual shop equipment like presses, brake lathes, grinders, welders,
battery chargers and load testers, etc.
Frequency and vibration analyzers with multi-point pickups
Every factory repair manual, TSB, and internal engineering reports for the
past 30 years
two-axle chassis dyno - could run FWD, RWD, AWD, and 4WD vehicles to about
120 MPH - pretty cool to run an MR2 up to about 90 MPH, set the cruise, open
the doors, and step out!
A back room filled with transmissions, engines, ECU's, turbos,
superchargers, electronic suspensions, and anything else that was
proprietary to Toyota.
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