ot I Like Debian!

Stuart Krivis wrote:[color=blue]
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> Debian and FreeBSD are quite nice, but SuSE is also excellent -
> although in a different way. I also like Solaris SPARC. :-)[/color]

SuSE is too much in bed with Novell. From what I see, Debian is one of
the last truly open-source flavors of Linux. FreeBSD is to unix for
me.

On 4 Jan 2006 04:48:44 -0800, "Learning Richard"
<learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
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>Stuart Krivis wrote:[color=green]
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>> Debian and FreeBSD are quite nice, but SuSE is also excellent -
>> although in a different way. I also like Solaris SPARC. :-)[/color]
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>SuSE is too much in bed with Novell. From what I see, Debian is one of
>the last truly open-source flavors of Linux. FreeBSD is to unix for
>me.[/color]

Well, SuSE is now owned by Novell, but that doesn't seem to be a
problem. Novell has been very good at open sourcing everything, and
from this point on it really doesn't matter what Novell does because
someone could always fork OpenSuSE. In some ways the licensing for
SuSE is less restrictive now that Novell owns them. In fact, I'd say
that Novell has done great things for Linux and the open source
community.

RedHat and Mandriva are commercial companies and I don't see that as a
problem either. Solaris has also been open-sourced to a great extent,
and I don't have any problems with that.

I tend to pick the software I use based on functionality, not
ideology. :-)

I also own a Mac and really like Mac OS X. I don't agree with
everything Apple does, but I like their products.

As for FreeBSD, I'm not sure what "to (sic) unix" is. Maybe it's the
fact that you have to set most things up yourself, where Debian
provides more or less usable default configs with most packages?
Having to do it on your own is a great way to learn, and it comes in
handy later if you have trouble and need to fix something. There are
also cases where I don't agree with the Debian package maintainer's
choice of defaults, so I have to go in and change things or even
recompile stuff. You probably wouldn't like Solaris either, but I bet
you'd like SuSE. (It's a very nice, polished package, and things work
out of the box. It has good admin tools too if you don't like getting
your hands dirty. :-)

On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 00:34:22 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
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>THe biggest problem I'm seeing with ANY version of Linux is the lack of
>good device drivers, if there IS one at all! I am having trouble with two
>scanners (No drivers at all) and a driver for a Canon printer that, when
>you cancel printing, just leaves the paper right where it is. Also a Xerox
>that SAYS it's a color printer, but doesn't print in color.[/color]

That's really the device maker's fault, not Linux. They may make
proprietary stuff and not allow open source developers access to the
specs. Then somebody has to reverse-engineer it and they have to be
motivated to do that. So there either have to be a lot of people
wanting drivers, or a developer who has that device and will work on
drivers.

For printers, [url]http://www.linuxprinting.org/[/url] is a good resource.

For scanners, [url]http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html[/url]
might be a place to start.

I've been using multiple OSes and platforms for so long that I usually
check before buying a device to see if it will be supported where I
want. I've occasionally bought Windows-only hardware, but it has to be
a really good deal or the only available solution before I'll do that.

I should also note that Linux often has support for older devices that
are no longer supported by Windows XP. That can be very valuable,
especially with orphaned hardware.

I like to expand my future options, and choosing hardware and software
that has an open approach seems to have worked out better for me.
YMMV. :-)

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>Other than that, I like SuSE, although I haven't tried Debian (in part
>because the Install CD can't access my DSL router!!!!)[/color]

The current Debian installer is fairly new and hasn't had as much work
put into it as something like the installer for RH or SuSE. You could
try Knoppix or Ubuntu, which are based on Debian but may have better
installers.

It's likely a network card issue. Did it look like your NIC was
supported? Does your router have DHCP capabilities? Or maybe you need
to give static IP info to the Debian installer?

Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about it. If SuSE is working for
you and you like it; jumping to Debian may not be worth the hassle.
Why switch from something that works? (This applies in both
directions.) They're both good and they do the same things. If you
really want to poke at a Debian install a bit, you could always grab a
trial copy of Vmware and install Debian under that.

For a while I was using Debian whenever I wanted Linux, but I've
recently (the past year or so) decided that SuSE makes a bit better
desktop in many ways. I'd likely still choose Debian for a server, but
SuSE isn't bad for servers either.

PC, Mac, whatever platform... Linux, Windows, Mac OS X, Solaris,
FreeBSD... I can pretty much take any of them and get what I need to
do done. Sometimes I am forced into a choice of one or the other,
sometimes I just like one more than the rest. And sometimes I even
have fun while I'm doing it! :-)

Stuart Krivis wrote:[color=blue]
> On 4 Jan 2006 04:48:44 -0800, "Learning Richard"
> <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >Stuart Krivis wrote:[color=darkred]
> >>[/color]
> ><edit />[color=darkred]
> >>
> >> Debian and FreeBSD are quite nice, but SuSE is also excellent -
> >> although in a different way. I also like Solaris SPARC. :-)[/color]
> >
> >SuSE is too much in bed with Novell. From what I see, Debian is one of
> >the last truly open-source flavors of Linux. FreeBSD is to unix for
> >me.[/color]
>
> Well, SuSE is now owned by Novell, but that doesn't seem to be a
> problem. Novell has been very good at open sourcing everything, and
> from this point on it really doesn't matter what Novell does because
> someone could always fork OpenSuSE. In some ways the licensing for
> SuSE is less restrictive now that Novell owns them. In fact, I'd say
> that Novell has done great things for Linux and the open source
> community.
>
> RedHat and Mandriva are commercial companies and I don't see that as a
> problem either. Solaris has also been open-sourced to a great extent,
> and I don't have any problems with that.
>
> I tend to pick the software I use based on functionality, not
> ideology. :-)
>
> I also own a Mac and really like Mac OS X. I don't agree with
> everything Apple does, but I like their products.
>
> As for FreeBSD, I'm not sure what "to (sic) unix" is. Maybe it's the[/color]

I used FreeBSD, BSDi, RedHat and Fedora. All were nightmares. I've
done my time being a man and setting things up all by myself.

I'll set my nads aside and choose the easier, softer route of debian,
so I can focus on customization rather than OS installation ;)
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> fact that you have to set most things up yourself, where Debian
> provides more or less usable default configs with most packages?
> Having to do it on your own is a great way to learn, and it comes in
> handy later if you have trouble and need to fix something. There are
> also cases where I don't agree with the Debian package maintainer's
> choice of defaults, so I have to go in and change things or even
> recompile stuff. You probably wouldn't like Solaris either, but I bet
> you'd like SuSE. (It's a very nice, polished package, and things work
> out of the box. It has good admin tools too if you don't like getting
> your hands dirty. :-)[/color]

Learning Richard <learningrichard@gmail.com> trolled:
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> Stuart Krivis wrote:[color=green]
> >[/color]
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> >
> > Debian and FreeBSD are quite nice, but SuSE is also excellent -
> > although in a different way. I also like Solaris SPARC. :-)[/color][/color]
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> SuSE is too much in bed with Novell. From what I see, Debian is one of
> the last truly open-source flavors of Linux. FreeBSD is to unix for
> me.[/color]

Some of us still use slackware.

cordially, as always,

rm

"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Stuart Krivis wrote:[color=green]
>> On 4 Jan 2006 04:48:44 -0800, "Learning Richard"
>> <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >
>> >Stuart Krivis wrote:
>> >>
>> ><edit />
>> >>
>> >> Debian and FreeBSD are quite nice, but SuSE is also excellent -
>> >> although in a different way. I also like Solaris SPARC. :-)
>> >
>> >SuSE is too much in bed with Novell. From what I see, Debian is one of
>> >the last truly open-source flavors of Linux. FreeBSD is to unix for
>> >me.[/color]
>>
>> Well, SuSE is now owned by Novell, but that doesn't seem to be a
>> problem. Novell has been very good at open sourcing everything, and
>> from this point on it really doesn't matter what Novell does because
>> someone could always fork OpenSuSE. In some ways the licensing for
>> SuSE is less restrictive now that Novell owns them. In fact, I'd say
>> that Novell has done great things for Linux and the open source
>> community.
>>
>> RedHat and Mandriva are commercial companies and I don't see that as a
>> problem either. Solaris has also been open-sourced to a great extent,
>> and I don't have any problems with that.
>>
>> I tend to pick the software I use based on functionality, not
>> ideology. :-)
>>
>> I also own a Mac and really like Mac OS X. I don't agree with
>> everything Apple does, but I like their products.
>>
>> As for FreeBSD, I'm not sure what "to (sic) unix" is. Maybe it's the[/color]
>
> I used FreeBSD, BSDi, RedHat and Fedora. All were nightmares. I've
> done my time being a man and setting things up all by myself.[/color]

You have NEVER been a man. You are a spineless, cowardly surrender monkey.

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> I'll set my nads aside and choose the easier, softer route of debian,
> so I can focus on customization rather than OS installation ;)
>[color=green]
>> fact that you have to set most things up yourself, where Debian
>> provides more or less usable default configs with most packages?
>> Having to do it on your own is a great way to learn, and it comes in
>> handy later if you have trouble and need to fix something. There are
>> also cases where I don't agree with the Debian package maintainer's
>> choice of defaults, so I have to go in and change things or even
>> recompile stuff. You probably wouldn't like Solaris either, but I bet
>> you'd like SuSE. (It's a very nice, polished package, and things work
>> out of the box. It has good admin tools too if you don't like getting
>> your hands dirty. :-)[/color]
>[/color]

Linux Good.
Microsoft Stankey.

Having Microsoft on your computer is like having a
Yugo in your garage.

Apparently you have a Hugo in your garage. LOL

mike hunt


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> Linux Good.
> Microsoft Stankey.
>
> Having Microsoft on your computer is like having a
> Yugo in your garage.[/color]