OT PENNSYLVANIA DISTRICT COURT BANS TEACHING OF INTELLIGENT DESIGN

In article <hamdnZ5h4tSI4zXeUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Curious, apparently he is not a learned Constitutional Judge. The is no
> mention of a separation of church and state in the first Amendment. The
> first Amendment says;
>
> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
> prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
>
> Prior to Justice Black the court held that to mean there can be no national
> OR STATE churches as were the Church of England and the Roman Catholic
> church as well as established churches in several of the states. The most
> recent rulings on ones practice of religion have supported that prior view.
> The Supreme court has been deciding practice of religion issues as a free
> speech issue as well, in some rulings. Evolution is after all still only a
> theory, not a proven scientific fact.[/color]

Usually we agree on stuff, but I do have to call you on this. Saying
something is 'only a theory' demonstrates a lack of understanding of
what a scientist means by theory.

In science a theory is an idea that has been well-proven to explain a
variety of observed phenomena. An idea that has been elevated to the
status of a theory isn't just someone's wild guess, which is what a lot
of people imply when they derisively refer to an idea as 'only a theory.'

ID shouldn't be taught in science class because it is untestable and
therefore immune to revision or replacement. Personally I think the
universe was designed by God, but I can't design an experiment to prove
it.

As a science teacher I don't wish to be forced to teach untestable ideas
as 'alternatives' to well-established ones that can be tested in a
variety of ways.

In article <xn0eb7z2p4qfleb000@news.readfreenews.net>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Learning Richard, 12/20/2005,5:54:27 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
> >
> > badgolferman wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > Learning Richard, 12/20/2005, 12:30:11 PM,
> > > <1135099811.283152.45460@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A Pennsylvania school district cannot
> > > > require the teaching of intelligent design in high school biology
> > > > classes, a federal judge ruled in a case that may influence other
> > > > challenges to the theory of evolution.
> > >
> > > So, Richard. You claim to love Jesus, what is your take on this?[/color]
> >
> > What does Jesus have to do with a bunch of backwards, uneducated
> > morons trying to say the world was created 5,000 years ago because
> > some drunk prophet wrote that in a book one time?[/color]
>
> The drunk prophet you are referring to would be Moses, right? The
> dates are immaterial, the morality isn't. If Evolution is to be taught
> in schools then Creationism should be mentioned also. To the best of
> my knowledge, the missing link between monkeys and people has not been
> proven yet.[/color]

AAARRRRGGGHHHH.... The misinformation contained in your last sentence
severely dilutes your credibility to debate this issue. Evolution
doesn't imply that people came from monkeys, only that they both had a
common ancestor. It's hard to debate evolution when so many people have
such a warped idea of what the theory is really about.

Sean
- a conservative Republican that owns guns, supports the Iraq war,
voted for Bush and doesn't want intelligent design taught in science
classes.

Sean Elkins wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <hamdnZ5h4tSI4zXeUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Curious, apparently he is not a learned Constitutional Judge. The is no
>> mention of a separation of church and state in the first Amendment. The
>> first Amendment says;
>>
>> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
>> prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
>>
>> Prior to Justice Black the court held that to mean there can be no national
>> OR STATE churches as were the Church of England and the Roman Catholic
>> church as well as established churches in several of the states. The most
>> recent rulings on ones practice of religion have supported that prior view.
>> The Supreme court has been deciding practice of religion issues as a free
>> speech issue as well, in some rulings. Evolution is after all still only a
>> theory, not a proven scientific fact.[/color]
>
>Usually we agree on stuff, but I do have to call you on this. Saying
>something is 'only a theory' demonstrates a lack of understanding of
>what a scientist means by theory.
>
>In science a theory is an idea that has been well-proven to explain a
>variety of observed phenomena. An idea that has been elevated to the
>status of a theory isn't just someone's wild guess, which is what a lot
>of people imply when they derisively refer to an idea as 'only a theory.'
>
>ID shouldn't be taught in science class because it is untestable and
>therefore immune to revision or replacement. Personally I think the
>universe was designed by God, but I can't design an experiment to prove
>it.
>
>As a science teacher I don't wish to be forced to teach untestable ideas
>as 'alternatives' to well-established ones that can be tested in a
>variety of ways.[/color]

Jeezuz, someone who can think. Although the fact you "usually" agree
with the lying, top-posting troll "Mike Hunt" is a bit bizarre...

Gary L. Burnore wrote:[color=blue]
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:20:32 GMT, "ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >I wonder about whether a "theory" should be banned under the guise of
> >"separation of church & state".[/color]
>
> As the court said, it's not a theory. It's religion.
>[/color]

It is indeed religion. It is religion that is being put upon us by a
bunch of arrogant evangelists who think anyone who doesn't believe like
them is condemned to burn in hell.

They're putting it on us for our own good. Not everyone is as blessed
as they are (gays and boyscouts notwithstanding).
[color=blue][color=green]
> >I believe the first amendment says congress shall not establish a
> >religion nor interfere practice of a religion.[/color]
>
> So bringing intelligent design into public schools should be
> forbidden.
>[color=green]
> >The much blathered
> >"separation" is not the correct quote, it is an interpretation.[/color]
>
> Sure is.
>[color=green]
> >And just maybe this interpretation was made by someone that fails the
> >logic or reading test.[/color]
>
> You mean like the people who claim there were dinosours on the ARC?
>
> heh.[/color]

There would've been dinosaurs if my daughter were on that arc. She has
a ton of 'em and they go where she goes.

Learning Richard wrote:[color=blue]
> Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A Pennsylvania school district cannot require
> the teaching of intelligent design in high school biology classes, a
> federal judge ruled in a case that may influence other challenges to
> the theory of evolution.
>
> U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
> ruled today that the Dover, Pennsylvania school board can't force the
> teaching of intelligent design, a theory that claims that the universe
> is too complex to have developed randomly and must have been designed
> by a superior power. The board in October 2004 ordered that intelligent
> design be introduced alongside the theory that life evolved by natural
> selection.
>
> ``To preserve the separation of church and state'' mandated by the
> First Amendment, the Dover Area School District is barred from
> maintaining the ID policy in any school, Jones wrote. ``The students,
> parents and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better
> than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter
> waste of monetary and personal resources.''
>
> ...
>
> In his opinion, Jones said the key issue is ``whether Intelligent
> Design is science,'' and said, ``we have concluded that it is not.''
>
> Jones said the concept of Intelligent Design, ``cannot uncouple itself
> from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.''
>
> The ruling ``has potential impact'' across the country because ``it's a
> piece of ammunition that will be used'' by the winning party, Landsberg
> said.
>
> Dover voters ousted eight of the nine school-board members who backed
> the plan in November. The ninth wasn't up for re- election. The vote
> came the same day the Kansas school board adopted statewide science
> standards casting doubt on evolution.
>
> Eight Dover families filed the federal lawsuit last December, accusing
> the board of threatening to fire science teachers who refused to give
> creationism equal weight with evolution.
>
> ``Two thousand years ago, someone died on a cross,'' the board's
> leading proponent of intelligent design said during a discussion of the
> issue, according to the suit. ``Can't someone take a stand for him?''
>
> ...
>
> <http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aHhAnvL4XhjU&refer=us>
>[/color]

Yeh, its amazing how gullible people are with Darwinism and evolution.
Thats all that has been taught in schools for decades and since the
Scopes Trial (between a lawyer and a Minister, that's a scientific
debate), and we are supposed to be surprised what people purport to
believe? I have several years of engineering and still can't believe how
many holes evolution has, and my favorite evolution-related theory is
Punctuated Equilibrium. The Walla Theory--they had to come up with
something to plug the holes. Well, one day it just happened. And you
thought creationism took faith. Too bad no one asks where all the
energy and matter came from in the first place, because evolution has no
theory.

As far as the so-called separation of church and state, it was
originally used in a letter to Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists
(referring to the Wall of Separation quoted by a baptist minister) and
has misinterpreted by courts ever since. The intention of Thomas
Jefferson and the baptist minister (Roger Williams was for the
protection of the church, not the removal of anything religious from the
public arena. The only people stupid enough to check their identities at
the door are those dumb enough to listen to the elitist liberals.

As far as those people think that teaching is some how trying to prove
God, I think they are confusing themselves. The teaching of evolution
is exactly intended to be anti-God, but does go quite well with the
normal free-minded thinkers called liberals. "I agree with all
viewpoints, as long as it agrees with mine. If it doesn't, always have
a dissenting opinion or better yet, don't allow it, especially if
Christian." Freedom? A public discussion of ideas, give me a break.

Just remember, based on the theory of evolution, the life of you
liberals is no better than the smallest form of life. You know...oh,
you thought I was going to say fetus? No, I was going to say virus.

There was a time when the theory was that everything revolved around the
sun. Indeed the idea that a particular species
evolved over time can be proven in the archeological record but the idea
that one species developed into another has never be proven. Nor can it be
since there is no current evidence that any species in evolving into another
today. The theory of intelligent designs simply suggest that something,
somewhere, at some time had to have begun the process of creating everything
we know, including recurring life. Evolution does not even consider male
and female of a species to enable reproduction. Even the big bang theory
had to have its origin somewhere for some reason. The question of any
scientist must be, who or what, cause that to happen. DNA suggest that
every from of life on earth has nearly the same basis. How can that be if
life forms are so vastly different if not by some sort of intelligence being
involved in shaping the minute DNA differences? ;)


mike hunt


"Sean Elkins" <sean_elkins@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:sean_elkins-A38CC2.19183220122005@news.iglou.com...[color=blue]
> In article <hamdnZ5h4tSI4zXeUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Curious, apparently he is not a learned Constitutional Judge. The is no
>> mention of a separation of church and state in the first Amendment. The
>> first Amendment says;
>>
>> "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
>> prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
>>
>> Prior to Justice Black the court held that to mean there can be no
>> national
>> OR STATE churches as were the Church of England and the Roman Catholic
>> church as well as established churches in several of the states. The
>> most
>> recent rulings on ones practice of religion have supported that prior
>> view.
>> The Supreme court has been deciding practice of religion issues as a free
>> speech issue as well, in some rulings. Evolution is after all still only
>> a
>> theory, not a proven scientific fact.[/color]
>
> Usually we agree on stuff, but I do have to call you on this. Saying
> something is 'only a theory' demonstrates a lack of understanding of
> what a scientist means by theory.
>
> In science a theory is an idea that has been well-proven to explain a
> variety of observed phenomena. An idea that has been elevated to the
> status of a theory isn't just someone's wild guess, which is what a lot
> of people imply when they derisively refer to an idea as 'only a theory.'
>
> ID shouldn't be taught in science class because it is untestable and
> therefore immune to revision or replacement. Personally I think the
> universe was designed by God, but I can't design an experiment to prove
> it.
>
> As a science teacher I don't wish to be forced to teach untestable ideas
> as 'alternatives' to well-established ones that can be tested in a
> variety of ways.[/color]

Sliderbot wrote:[color=blue]
> Learning Richard wrote:[color=green]
> > Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A Pennsylvania school district cannot require
> > the teaching of intelligent design in high school biology classes, a
> > federal judge ruled in a case that may influence other challenges to
> > the theory of evolution.
> >
> > U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
> > ruled today that the Dover, Pennsylvania school board can't force the
> > teaching of intelligent design, a theory that claims that the universe
> > is too complex to have developed randomly and must have been designed
> > by a superior power. The board in October 2004 ordered that intelligent
> > design be introduced alongside the theory that life evolved by natural
> > selection.
> >
> > ``To preserve the separation of church and state'' mandated by the
> > First Amendment, the Dover Area School District is barred from
> > maintaining the ID policy in any school, Jones wrote. ``The students,
> > parents and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better
> > than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter
> > waste of monetary and personal resources.''
> >
> > ...
> >
> > In his opinion, Jones said the key issue is ``whether Intelligent
> > Design is science,'' and said, ``we have concluded that it is not.''
> >
> > Jones said the concept of Intelligent Design, ``cannot uncouple itself
> > from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.''
> >
> > The ruling ``has potential impact'' across the country because ``it's a
> > piece of ammunition that will be used'' by the winning party, Landsberg
> > said.
> >
> > Dover voters ousted eight of the nine school-board members who backed
> > the plan in November. The ninth wasn't up for re- election. The vote
> > came the same day the Kansas school board adopted statewide science
> > standards casting doubt on evolution.
> >
> > Eight Dover families filed the federal lawsuit last December, accusing
> > the board of threatening to fire science teachers who refused to give
> > creationism equal weight with evolution.
> >
> > ``Two thousand years ago, someone died on a cross,'' the board's
> > leading proponent of intelligent design said during a discussion of the
> > issue, according to the suit. ``Can't someone take a stand for him?''
> >
> > ...
> >
> > <http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aHhAnvL4XhjU&refer=us>
> >[/color]
>
> Yeh, its amazing how gullible people are with Darwinism and evolution.
> Thats all that has been taught in schools for decades and since the
> Scopes Trial (between a lawyer and a Minister, that's a scientific
> debate), and we are supposed to be surprised what people purport to
> believe? I have several years of engineering and still can't believe how[/color]

I'm sure you're a genius too. heheh

[color=blue]
> many holes evolution has, and my favorite evolution-related theory is
> Punctuated Equilibrium. The Walla Theory--they had to come up with
> something to plug the holes. Well, one day it just happened. And you
> thought creationism took faith. Too bad no one asks where all the
> energy and matter came from in the first place, because evolution has no
> theory.[/color]

Evolution is not Cosmology.

[color=blue]
>
> As far as the so-called separation of church and state, it was
> originally used in a letter to Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists
> (referring to the Wall of Separation quoted by a baptist minister) and
> has misinterpreted by courts ever since. The intention of Thomas[/color]

So... if something has been "misinterpreted"' for 200 years, who's
really misinterpreting? Are you that fucking much of a reactionary
conservative?
[color=blue]
> Jefferson and the baptist minister (Roger Williams was for the
> protection of the church, not the removal of anything religious from the[/color]

So you'd be happier if we burned the darwinists at the stake?
[color=blue]
> public arena. The only people stupid enough to check their identities at
> the door are those dumb enough to listen to the elitist liberals.[/color]

You're dumb enough to have taken the time to type this bullshit. What
does that make you? Better check with the elitist neocons who stole
the leadership of the USA recently.
[color=blue]
>
> As far as those people think that teaching is some how trying to prove
> God, I think they are confusing themselves. The teaching of evolution[/color]

It is religion packaged by evangelists to permeate and pollute / dilute
sound science.
[color=blue]
> is exactly intended to be anti-God, but does go quite well with the
> normal free-minded thinkers called liberals. "I agree with all[/color]

You're a fucking moron dude. Don't post anymore you give me a
headache.

"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135157926.914003.230080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> Sliderbot wrote:[color=green]
>> Learning Richard wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A Pennsylvania school district cannot require
>> > the teaching of intelligent design in high school biology classes, a
>> > federal judge ruled in a case that may influence other challenges to
>> > the theory of evolution.
>> >
>> > U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
>> > ruled today that the Dover, Pennsylvania school board can't force the
>> > teaching of intelligent design, a theory that claims that the universe
>> > is too complex to have developed randomly and must have been designed
>> > by a superior power. The board in October 2004 ordered that intelligent
>> > design be introduced alongside the theory that life evolved by natural
>> > selection.
>> >
>> > ``To preserve the separation of church and state'' mandated by the
>> > First Amendment, the Dover Area School District is barred from
>> > maintaining the ID policy in any school, Jones wrote. ``The students,
>> > parents and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better
>> > than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter
>> > waste of monetary and personal resources.''
>> >
>> > ...
>> >
>> > In his opinion, Jones said the key issue is ``whether Intelligent
>> > Design is science,'' and said, ``we have concluded that it is not.''
>> >
>> > Jones said the concept of Intelligent Design, ``cannot uncouple itself
>> > from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.''
>> >
>> > The ruling ``has potential impact'' across the country because ``it's a
>> > piece of ammunition that will be used'' by the winning party, Landsberg
>> > said.
>> >
>> > Dover voters ousted eight of the nine school-board members who backed
>> > the plan in November. The ninth wasn't up for re- election. The vote
>> > came the same day the Kansas school board adopted statewide science
>> > standards casting doubt on evolution.
>> >
>> > Eight Dover families filed the federal lawsuit last December, accusing
>> > the board of threatening to fire science teachers who refused to give
>> > creationism equal weight with evolution.
>> >
>> > ``Two thousand years ago, someone died on a cross,'' the board's
>> > leading proponent of intelligent design said during a discussion of the
>> > issue, according to the suit. ``Can't someone take a stand for him?''
>> >
>> > ...
>> >
>> > <http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aHhAnvL4XhjU&refer=us>
>> >[/color]
>>
>> Yeh, its amazing how gullible people are with Darwinism and evolution.
>> Thats all that has been taught in schools for decades and since the
>> Scopes Trial (between a lawyer and a Minister, that's a scientific
>> debate), and we are supposed to be surprised what people purport to
>> believe? I have several years of engineering and still can't believe how[/color]
>
> I'm sure you're a genius too. heheh
>
>[color=green]
>> many holes evolution has, and my favorite evolution-related theory is
>> Punctuated Equilibrium. The Walla Theory--they had to come up with
>> something to plug the holes. Well, one day it just happened. And you
>> thought creationism took faith. Too bad no one asks where all the
>> energy and matter came from in the first place, because evolution has no
>> theory.[/color]
>
> Evolution is not Cosmology.
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> As far as the so-called separation of church and state, it was
>> originally used in a letter to Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists
>> (referring to the Wall of Separation quoted by a baptist minister) and
>> has misinterpreted by courts ever since. The intention of Thomas[/color]
>
> So... if something has been "misinterpreted"' for 200 years, who's
> really misinterpreting? Are you that fucking much of a reactionary
> conservative?
>[color=green]
>> Jefferson and the baptist minister (Roger Williams was for the
>> protection of the church, not the removal of anything religious from the[/color]
>
> So you'd be happier if we burned the darwinists at the stake?
>[color=green]
>> public arena. The only people stupid enough to check their identities at
>> the door are those dumb enough to listen to the elitist liberals.[/color]
>
> You're dumb enough to have taken the time to type this bullshit. What
> does that make you? Better check with the elitist neocons who stole
> the leadership of the USA recently.
>[color=green]
>>
>> As far as those people think that teaching is some how trying to prove
>> God, I think they are confusing themselves. The teaching of evolution[/color]
>
> It is religion packaged by evangelists to permeate and pollute / dilute
> sound science.
>[color=green]
>> is exactly intended to be anti-God, but does go quite well with the
>> normal free-minded thinkers called liberals. "I agree with all[/color]
>
> You're a fucking moron dude. Don't post anymore you give me a
> headache.[/color]

Time for Unlearned Dick to go back to his usual pre-Christmas cocksucking.

[color=blue]
>[/color]

On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:46:18 GMT, "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1135157926.914003.230080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>>
>> Sliderbot wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Learning Richard wrote:
>>> > Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A Pennsylvania school district cannot require
>>> > the teaching of intelligent design in high school biology classes, a
>>> > federal judge ruled in a case that may influence other challenges to
>>> > the theory of evolution.
>>> >
>>> > U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
>>> > ruled today that the Dover, Pennsylvania school board can't force the
>>> > teaching of intelligent design, a theory that claims that the universe
>>> > is too complex to have developed randomly and must have been designed
>>> > by a superior power. The board in October 2004 ordered that intelligent
>>> > design be introduced alongside the theory that life evolved by natural
>>> > selection.
>>> >
>>> > ``To preserve the separation of church and state'' mandated by the
>>> > First Amendment, the Dover Area School District is barred from
>>> > maintaining the ID policy in any school, Jones wrote. ``The students,
>>> > parents and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better
>>> > than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter
>>> > waste of monetary and personal resources.''
>>> >
>>> > ...
>>> >
>>> > In his opinion, Jones said the key issue is ``whether Intelligent
>>> > Design is science,'' and said, ``we have concluded that it is not.''
>>> >
>>> > Jones said the concept of Intelligent Design, ``cannot uncouple itself
>>> > from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.''
>>> >
>>> > The ruling ``has potential impact'' across the country because ``it's a
>>> > piece of ammunition that will be used'' by the winning party, Landsberg
>>> > said.
>>> >
>>> > Dover voters ousted eight of the nine school-board members who backed
>>> > the plan in November. The ninth wasn't up for re- election. The vote
>>> > came the same day the Kansas school board adopted statewide science
>>> > standards casting doubt on evolution.
>>> >
>>> > Eight Dover families filed the federal lawsuit last December, accusing
>>> > the board of threatening to fire science teachers who refused to give
>>> > creationism equal weight with evolution.
>>> >
>>> > ``Two thousand years ago, someone died on a cross,'' the board's
>>> > leading proponent of intelligent design said during a discussion of the
>>> > issue, according to the suit. ``Can't someone take a stand for him?''
>>> >
>>> > ...
>>> >
>>> > <http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aHhAnvL4XhjU&refer=us>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Yeh, its amazing how gullible people are with Darwinism and evolution.
>>> Thats all that has been taught in schools for decades and since the
>>> Scopes Trial (between a lawyer and a Minister, that's a scientific
>>> debate), and we are supposed to be surprised what people purport to
>>> believe? I have several years of engineering and still can't believe how[/color]
>>
>> I'm sure you're a genius too. heheh
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> many holes evolution has, and my favorite evolution-related theory is
>>> Punctuated Equilibrium. The Walla Theory--they had to come up with
>>> something to plug the holes. Well, one day it just happened. And you
>>> thought creationism took faith. Too bad no one asks where all the
>>> energy and matter came from in the first place, because evolution has no
>>> theory.[/color]
>>
>> Evolution is not Cosmology.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> As far as the so-called separation of church and state, it was
>>> originally used in a letter to Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists
>>> (referring to the Wall of Separation quoted by a baptist minister) and
>>> has misinterpreted by courts ever since. The intention of Thomas[/color]
>>
>> So... if something has been "misinterpreted"' for 200 years, who's
>> really misinterpreting? Are you that fucking much of a reactionary
>> conservative?
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Jefferson and the baptist minister (Roger Williams was for the
>>> protection of the church, not the removal of anything religious from the[/color]
>>
>> So you'd be happier if we burned the darwinists at the stake?
>>[color=darkred]
>>> public arena. The only people stupid enough to check their identities at
>>> the door are those dumb enough to listen to the elitist liberals.[/color]
>>
>> You're dumb enough to have taken the time to type this bullshit. What
>> does that make you? Better check with the elitist neocons who stole
>> the leadership of the USA recently.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> As far as those people think that teaching is some how trying to prove
>>> God, I think they are confusing themselves. The teaching of evolution[/color]
>>
>> It is religion packaged by evangelists to permeate and pollute / dilute
>> sound science.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> is exactly intended to be anti-God, but does go quite well with the
>>> normal free-minded thinkers called liberals. "I agree with all[/color]
>>
>> You're a fucking moron dude. Don't post anymore you give me a
>> headache.[/color]
>
>Time for Unlearned Dick to go back to his usual pre-Christmas cocksucking.
>[/color]

Poor little neocon. Must be rough to see your political world
crumbling around you. From Rove to Frist to bush himself. Hahaha.
What a bunch of crooks.
--
gburnore at DataBasix dot Com
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"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:46:18 GMT, "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>
>>"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1135157926.914003.230080@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Sliderbot wrote:
>>>> Learning Richard wrote:
>>>> > Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- A Pennsylvania school district cannot require
>>>> > the teaching of intelligent design in high school biology classes, a
>>>> > federal judge ruled in a case that may influence other challenges to
>>>> > the theory of evolution.
>>>> >
>>>> > U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
>>>> > ruled today that the Dover, Pennsylvania school board can't force the
>>>> > teaching of intelligent design, a theory that claims that the
>>>> > universe
>>>> > is too complex to have developed randomly and must have been designed
>>>> > by a superior power. The board in October 2004 ordered that
>>>> > intelligent
>>>> > design be introduced alongside the theory that life evolved by
>>>> > natural
>>>> > selection.
>>>> >
>>>> > ``To preserve the separation of church and state'' mandated by the
>>>> > First Amendment, the Dover Area School District is barred from
>>>> > maintaining the ID policy in any school, Jones wrote. ``The students,
>>>> > parents and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved
>>>> > better
>>>> > than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting
>>>> > utter
>>>> > waste of monetary and personal resources.''
>>>> >
>>>> > ...
>>>> >
>>>> > In his opinion, Jones said the key issue is ``whether Intelligent
>>>> > Design is science,'' and said, ``we have concluded that it is not.''
>>>> >
>>>> > Jones said the concept of Intelligent Design, ``cannot uncouple
>>>> > itself
>>>> > from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents.''
>>>> >
>>>> > The ruling ``has potential impact'' across the country because ``it's
>>>> > a
>>>> > piece of ammunition that will be used'' by the winning party,
>>>> > Landsberg
>>>> > said.
>>>> >
>>>> > Dover voters ousted eight of the nine school-board members who backed
>>>> > the plan in November. The ninth wasn't up for re- election. The vote
>>>> > came the same day the Kansas school board adopted statewide science
>>>> > standards casting doubt on evolution.
>>>> >
>>>> > Eight Dover families filed the federal lawsuit last December,
>>>> > accusing
>>>> > the board of threatening to fire science teachers who refused to give
>>>> > creationism equal weight with evolution.
>>>> >
>>>> > ``Two thousand years ago, someone died on a cross,'' the board's
>>>> > leading proponent of intelligent design said during a discussion of
>>>> > the
>>>> > issue, according to the suit. ``Can't someone take a stand for him?''
>>>> >
>>>> > ...
>>>> >
>>>> > <http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aHhAnvL4XhjU&refer=us>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Yeh, its amazing how gullible people are with Darwinism and evolution.
>>>> Thats all that has been taught in schools for decades and since the
>>>> Scopes Trial (between a lawyer and a Minister, that's a scientific
>>>> debate), and we are supposed to be surprised what people purport to
>>>> believe? I have several years of engineering and still can't believe
>>>> how
>>>
>>> I'm sure you're a genius too. heheh
>>>
>>>
>>>> many holes evolution has, and my favorite evolution-related theory is
>>>> Punctuated Equilibrium. The Walla Theory--they had to come up with
>>>> something to plug the holes. Well, one day it just happened. And you
>>>> thought creationism took faith. Too bad no one asks where all the
>>>> energy and matter came from in the first place, because evolution has
>>>> no
>>>> theory.
>>>
>>> Evolution is not Cosmology.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as the so-called separation of church and state, it was
>>>> originally used in a letter to Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists
>>>> (referring to the Wall of Separation quoted by a baptist minister) and
>>>> has misinterpreted by courts ever since. The intention of Thomas
>>>
>>> So... if something has been "misinterpreted"' for 200 years, who's
>>> really misinterpreting? Are you that fucking much of a reactionary
>>> conservative?
>>>
>>>> Jefferson and the baptist minister (Roger Williams was for the
>>>> protection of the church, not the removal of anything religious from
>>>> the
>>>
>>> So you'd be happier if we burned the darwinists at the stake?
>>>
>>>> public arena. The only people stupid enough to check their identities
>>>> at
>>>> the door are those dumb enough to listen to the elitist liberals.
>>>
>>> You're dumb enough to have taken the time to type this bullshit. What
>>> does that make you? Better check with the elitist neocons who stole
>>> the leadership of the USA recently.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as those people think that teaching is some how trying to prove
>>>> God, I think they are confusing themselves. The teaching of evolution
>>>
>>> It is religion packaged by evangelists to permeate and pollute / dilute
>>> sound science.
>>>
>>>> is exactly intended to be anti-God, but does go quite well with the
>>>> normal free-minded thinkers called liberals. "I agree with all
>>>
>>> You're a fucking moron dude. Don't post anymore you give me a
>>> headache.[/color]
>>
>>Time for Unlearned Dick to go back to his usual pre-Christmas cocksucking.
>>[/color]
>
> Poor little neocon. Must be rough to see your political world
> crumbling around you. From Rove to Frist to bush himself. Hahaha.
> What a bunch of crooks.[/color]

Pack fudge, ***got. Must suck to be you, seeing most of your buds suffering
from STD's.

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