Re: You Were Lied To

On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:57:34 -0400, Julian D. <jules@ersatz.com>
wrote:
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>On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:40:23 GMT, Scott in Florida
><NotInThisLifetime@nope.ucan't> wrote:
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>>On Tue, 18 May 2004 10:26:33 -0700, "Mr. N"
>><seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>"Big Rig" <trucker@excite.com> wrote in message
>>>news:2guno1F75pgrU1@uni-berlin.de...
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>>>> "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
>>>> develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
>>>> That is our bottom line."
>>>> -- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
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>>>And he succeeded.
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>>ROFLMAO....
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>>You are kidding...right?????
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>>>> "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
>>>> clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
>>>> weapons of mass destruction program."
>>>> -- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
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>>>And he succeeded.[/color]
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>>ROFLMAO...
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>>Just like he did something about the USS Cole???
>>
>>Jeez...
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>>>> "Iraq is a long way from [here] but what happens there matters a great
>>>> deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
>>>> nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is
>>>> the greatest security threat we face."
>>>> -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Feb 18, 1998
>>>
>>>Yep. Good thing Clinton succeeded.[/color]
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>>ROFLMAO....
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>>The only thing Clintoon succeeded at was getting off in the Oval
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>Well Clinton did arrest that blind mullah in NJ after the first WTC
>bombing. That certainly put the fear of allah into those terrorists.
>Arrest and jail. Oh yeah...that certainly scared them. In their
>countries they'd get their hands lopped off, or their tongues ripped
>out of their heads, or even *gasp!* their heads chopped off with a
>dull blade! Nah! Islam is a peaceful religion.
>We just put women's underwear on their heads or leash them to
>intimidate them. Horrors!
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We've murdered many prisoners, actually.

And killed many more without a determination yet of whether it reaches
the level of murder.

A few dozen.

And we have done things far more horrible than putting panties on
their heads, such as conducting fake executions.

How would you feel if you thought you were being executed?

We grab people off streets, fly them to a former eastern block prison,
and tell them we can keep them there forever, that no one knows where
they are, that we can kill them and no one will be the wiser.

That's horrible. Think how you would feel. After a couple years.

And panties on your head may not strike you as horrible, but such
things DO strike others as genuinely horrible. Horror is dependent on
culture.

I saw an interview with a man in Iraq who was held in Abu Ghraib
prison first by Saddam and then by us. He said it was worse with us.
That with the Americans he WISHED they would kill him.

The photos we have seen are the milder ones. The Bush administration
has blocked release of others which those who have seen them say are
much worse. Lindsay Graham, for instance, says that the unreleased
photos are much worse.

And this was something that did not have to happen. Colin Powell told
those "at the highest level" that there were abuses in the prisons and
that if they were not corrected then a huge scandal could erupt.

And those at the table laughed. Made jokes. And did nothing.

And that's half the reason we lost the war in Iraq - Abu Ghraib.

The other half was our decision to be so brutal in Fallujah.

Our willingness to tolerate prison torture has cost us dearly.


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>>>> "He [Saddam Hussein] will use those weapons of mass destruction again,
>>>> as he has ten times since 1983."
>>>> -- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
>>>
>>>True. Good thing Clinton succeeded.[/color]
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>>Nope.... Saddam will not use those weapons anymore...thanks to the
>>United States Military capturing his sorry ass hiding in a hole in the
>>ground.
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>>No thanks to the traitor Clintoon and his loony lefties....
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>>>etc
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>>>"I think it is vitally important for a President to know when to use
>>>military force. I think it is also very important for him to know when not
>>>to commit U.S. military force. And it's my view that the President got it
>>>right both times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged
>>>down in the QUAGMIRE inside Iraq." -Dick Cheney, Speech at the Washington
>>>Institute for Near East Policy April 29, 1991.[/color]
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>>Scott in Florida[/color]
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>JD[/color]