OT: Religious fundies slapped-down HARD

On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:11:26 GMT, "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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>"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>> Christians did plenty of killing during the Crusades.[/color]
>
>Centuries ago. Get with the times, cocksucker.[/color]

Weren't you the one who claimed the liberals resorted to namecalling?

BTW, afganastan and iraq are suffering losses at the hand of christian
fundamentalists right now.

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>> "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>>> news:doegg9$n6o$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:07:49 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>news:3d5kq1dfqv4lon2l9a6dn59np5h9nrfad9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When will the fundies stop trying to impose their religious views onto
>>>>>> others? Funny how the judge pointed out that they are liars and
>>>>>> idiots, trying to get their agenda into the schools...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a related note, a recent survey showed that only 26% of Americans
>>>>>> believe that "Humans and other living things have evolved over time
>>>>>> through natural selection." 18% thought evolution occurred, "guided
>>>>>> by a supreme being", and 42% think that Humans and other living beings
>>>>>> have always existed in their present form - no evolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Man, we live in a country full of rocket scientists, don't we? 42%
>>>>>> don't even believe that living things evolve? Is it any wonder how
>>>>>> Bush got re-elected?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What about the muslims? They have more wacky beliefs than Christians,
>>>>>they
>>>>>blow people up to impose their beliefs onto everybody, yet, for some
>>>>>reason,
>>>>>their religion is cool with the liberals. This is what I don't get.
>>>>
>>>> There's obviously a LOT you don't get. Muslims don't believe in
>>>> violence as a whole. In fact the pecentage of fanatics in the muslim
>>>> world is far smaller then the percentage of christian fanatics.
>>>>
>>>> At minimum, you're more proof that all racists are ignorant.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> And what you don't get is on relative basis, there is more violence
>>> coming from Islamists than from Christians - in the name of religion. And
>>> since when is a religion a race? You cutting on Christians is ok? But me
>>> cutting on Muslims is racist?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
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"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Gary L. Burnore wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:24:39 GMT, "Philip"
>>> <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:doegg9$n6o$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>> >> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:07:49 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>> >>>news:3d5kq1dfqv4lon2l9a6dn59np5h9nrfad9@4ax.com...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> When will the fundies stop trying to impose their religious views
>>> >>>> onto
>>> >>>> others? Funny how the judge pointed out that they are liars and
>>> >>>> idiots, trying to get their agenda into the schools...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On a related note, a recent survey showed that only 26% of
>>> >>>> Americans
>>> >>>> believe that "Humans and other living things have evolved over time
>>> >>>> through natural selection." 18% thought evolution occurred,
>>> >>>> "guided
>>> >>>> by a supreme being", and 42% think that Humans and other living
>>> >>>> beings
>>> >>>> have always existed in their present form - no evolution.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Man, we live in a country full of rocket scientists, don't we? 42%
>>> >>>> don't even believe that living things evolve? Is it any wonder how
>>> >>>> Bush got re-elected?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>What about the muslims? They have more wacky beliefs than Christians,
>>> >>>they
>>> >>>blow people up to impose their beliefs onto everybody, yet, for some
>>> >>>reason,
>>> >>>their religion is cool with the liberals. This is what I don't get.
>>> >>
>>> >> There's obviously a LOT you don't get. Muslims don't believe in
>>> >> violence as a whole. In fact the pecentage of fanatics in the muslim
>>> >> world is far smaller then the percentage of christian fanatics.
>>> >>
>>> >> At minimum, you're more proof that all racists are ignorant.
>>> >> --
>>> >> gburnore at DataBasix dot Com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >There is so much more that YOU "don't get." Muslim violence against
>>> >Christians throughout southeast Asia and Africa is well known.
>>>
>>> Christian violence in against non christians has been well known for
>>> far longer. Thanks for playing.[/color]
>>
>> Hear hear! Ever since the Crusades where we tried to overrun the
>> Middle East.[/color]
>
> See? Not ONE FUCKING WORD about all the barbarism done by the Moors,
> Turks, etc when they invaded Europe.[/color]

And not a mention of the Boer Wars nor the murderous oppression of all
Communism. Why not?

World history records far more peoples going to war over land and water than
religion.

--

- Philip

"Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:11:26 GMT, "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>
>>"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:vfKqf.9389$nm.7472@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>>> Christians did plenty of killing during the Crusades.[/color]
>>
>>Centuries ago. Get with the times, cocksucker.[/color]
>
> Weren't you the one who claimed the liberals resorted to namecalling?
>
> BTW, afganastan and iraq are suffering losses at the hand of christian
> fundamentalists right now.
>[/color]

You fucking ignorant cocksucking dickwad. Meanwhile, the secular government
in communist China, murders/tortures THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS.

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>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
>>> news:11qlibbet03euf7@news.supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:doegg9$n6o$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:07:49 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"dizzy" <dizzy@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:3d5kq1dfqv4lon2l9a6dn59np5h9nrfad9@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When will the fundies stop trying to impose their religious views
>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>> others? Funny how the judge pointed out that they are liars and
>>>>>>> idiots, trying to get their agenda into the schools...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On a related note, a recent survey showed that only 26% of Americans
>>>>>>> believe that "Humans and other living things have evolved over time
>>>>>>> through natural selection." 18% thought evolution occurred, "guided
>>>>>>> by a supreme being", and 42% think that Humans and other living
>>>>>>> beings
>>>>>>> have always existed in their present form - no evolution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Man, we live in a country full of rocket scientists, don't we? 42%
>>>>>>> don't even believe that living things evolve? Is it any wonder how
>>>>>>> Bush got re-elected?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What about the muslims? They have more wacky beliefs than Christians,
>>>>>>they
>>>>>>blow people up to impose their beliefs onto everybody, yet, for some
>>>>>>reason,
>>>>>>their religion is cool with the liberals. This is what I don't get.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's obviously a LOT you don't get. Muslims don't believe in
>>>>> violence as a whole. In fact the pecentage of fanatics in the muslim
>>>>> world is far smaller then the percentage of christian fanatics.
>>>>>
>>>>> At minimum, you're more proof that all racists are ignorant.
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> And what you don't get is on relative basis, there is more violence
>>>> coming from Islamists than from Christians - in the name of religion.
>>>> And
>>>> since when is a religion a race? You cutting on Christians is ok? But
>>>> me
>>>> cutting on Muslims is racist?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
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Learning Richard wrote:[color=blue]
> Bioboffin wrote:[color=green]
>> Philip wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Intelligent Design" and "Evolution" coexist in sequence. Once
>>> created, there is evidence that nearly every species evolves in
>>> order to survive in a changing environment.[/color]
>>
>> Intelligent Design is a super wheeze to pretend that God created life
>> without actually mentioning God.[/color]
>
> wheeze? What does 'wheeze' mean?
>[/color]
It's an old British term meaning a rather clever scheme or trick to outwit
people.

[url]http://www.wordreference.com/definition/wheeze[/url]
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>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Do we have evidence of an established species evolving into new
>>> species?[/color]
>>
>> Several. If you want a couple of examples try Primula kewensis
>> (appeared de novo in Kew Gardens in London). Or Spartina townsendii
>> which appeared during the 1940s in the UK. However, why worry about
>> the accuracy of scientific observation when you can look to such a
>> superior authority as George Bush. He is stockpiling antivirals to
>> protect against the evolution of bird 'flu into a version which will
>> attack humans.[/color][/color]
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>
> WOO HOO! SCORE![/color]

The really funny aspect of this whole thread is that I have recently come
into possession of an Islamic fundamentalist video which attacks Darwinian
evolution using all the stale old propaganda that we have come to expect
from our own home-grown fundamentalists. They may hate each other, but in
this respect they are on the same side.

John.

Philip wrote:[color=blue]
> "Bioboffin" <Reply_to_Group_please@zzz.invalid> wrote in message
> news:xSAqf.29868$8v6.8572@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...[/color]
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>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Do we have evidence of an established species evolving into new
>>> species?[/color]
>>
>> Several. If you want a couple of examples try Primula kewensis
>> (appeared de novo in Kew Gardens in London). Or Spartina townsendii
>> which appeared during the 1940s in the UK. However, why worry about
>> the accuracy of scientific observation when you can look to such a
>> superior authority as George Bush. He is stockpiling antivirals to
>> protect against the evolution of bird 'flu into a version which will
>> attack humans. Take care,
>>
>> John.[/color]
>
> John: All you have shown is that you don't know what a "species" is.[/color]

You may be jumping to conclusions here.

I accept that with respect to viruses the word species has no meaning. The
other examples given are quite clearly new species, whatever definition you
choose to use.

Dan J.S. wrote:[color=blue]
> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
> news:dofi12$fc5$3@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...[color=green]
>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:53:58 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>>> news:dofge4$bln$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:07:39 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1135291375.959240.237080@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:23:33 -0500, "FanJet"
>>>>>>> <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan J.S. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> dot Com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (drops another quarter in the slot).
>>>>>>>>>>> Your secular humanist wars throughout history have taken far
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MY? Dumb shit. You're actually incorrect again. Christians
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> killed more people than any other single religious group.
>>>>>>>>>> Christians
>>>>>>>>>> killed Jews. Christians kill muslims. Christians kill OTHER
>>>>>>>>>> CHRISTIANS, christians kill palistinians.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's a palistinian you fucking brainiac? Shows how dumb you
>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>> Typical liberal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does someone pull your shorts up after a ---- too? Palestinian
>>>>>>>> = People
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> live in Palestine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think he wasa attempting a typo flame. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, since he can't argue the issue, that's the best he
>>>>>>> can do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> funny... that moron Mark does that too, its a sign that he's been
>>>>>> crushed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Gary just starts swearing at you. A typical sign that a
>>>>> liberal has lost.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a liberal, dip.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Crushed by Gary? His arguments are circular. I have to remind him
>>>>> this is
>>>>> USENET and not special Olympics.
>>>>>
>>>> Poor little fool. You're obviously in denial. Please feel free to
>>>> prove that christians HAVEN't killed more people than any other
>>>> religious group in the history of the world.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK here goes. This is USENET and not special Olympics Gary.[/color]
>>
>> That's your proof?
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> What religious fanatics killed more people in the name of this
>>> religion in the last 5 years?[/color]
>>
>> Christians, dumbass. Bush is a christian.
>>[/color]
>
> In the NAME of religion? I don't think so. There are Muslims in the
> U.S. military fighting against Al Qaeda. How many Christians are in
> Al Qaeda?[/color]


Oh, Dan. You really think bush is warring with Iraq over Democracy?
Seriously? I mean he doesn't even bother obeying *our* laws or *our*
constitution. In fact he's proud of these behaviors and says he'll continue
them. As far as the counts go, there are probably as many Christians in
and/or helping Al Qaeda as there are US Muslims fighting them.

"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43abfa6d$0$8474$4d3efbfe@news.sover.net...[color=blue]
> Dan J.S. wrote:[color=green]
>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>> news:dofi12$fc5$3@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:53:58 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:dofge4$bln$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:07:39 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1135291375.959240.237080@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:23:33 -0500, "FanJet"
>>>>>>>> <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dan J.S. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> dot Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (drops another quarter in the slot).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your secular humanist wars throughout history have taken far
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> MY? Dumb shit. You're actually incorrect again. Christians
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> killed more people than any other single religious group.
>>>>>>>>>>> Christians
>>>>>>>>>>> killed Jews. Christians kill muslims. Christians kill OTHER
>>>>>>>>>>> CHRISTIANS, christians kill palistinians.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's a palistinian you fucking brainiac? Shows how dumb you
>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>> Typical liberal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does someone pull your shorts up after a ---- too? Palestinian
>>>>>>>>> = People
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> live in Palestine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think he wasa attempting a typo flame. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, since he can't argue the issue, that's the best he
>>>>>>>> can do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> funny... that moron Mark does that too, its a sign that he's been
>>>>>>> crushed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Gary just starts swearing at you. A typical sign that a
>>>>>> liberal has lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a liberal, dip.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Crushed by Gary? His arguments are circular. I have to remind him
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>> USENET and not special Olympics.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Poor little fool. You're obviously in denial. Please feel free to
>>>>> prove that christians HAVEN't killed more people than any other
>>>>> religious group in the history of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK here goes. This is USENET and not special Olympics Gary.
>>>
>>> That's your proof?
>>>
>>>
>>>> What religious fanatics killed more people in the name of this
>>>> religion in the last 5 years?
>>>
>>> Christians, dumbass. Bush is a christian.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> In the NAME of religion? I don't think so. There are Muslims in the
>> U.S. military fighting against Al Qaeda. How many Christians are in
>> Al Qaeda?[/color]
>
>
> Oh, Dan. You really think bush is warring with Iraq over Democracy?
> Seriously? I mean he doesn't even bother obeying *our* laws or *our*
> constitution. In fact he's proud of these behaviors and says he'll
> continue them. As far as the counts go, there are probably as many
> Christians in and/or helping Al Qaeda as there are US Muslims fighting
> them.
>
>
>[/color]

I am not oblivious to hidden agendas. There is the whole issue of protecting
Israel, and yes, oil is a big issue, it drives our economy. Establishing a
democracy in Iraq would help with the stability of middle east. Whatever the
agenda may be.

"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dan J.S. wrote:[color=green]
>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>> news:dofi12$fc5$3@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:53:58 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:dofge4$bln$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:07:39 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1135291375.959240.237080@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:23:33 -0500, "FanJet"
>>>>>>>> <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dan J.S. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> dot Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (drops another quarter in the slot).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your secular humanist wars throughout history have taken far
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> MY? Dumb shit. You're actually incorrect again. Christians
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> killed more people than any other single religious group.
>>>>>>>>>>> Christians
>>>>>>>>>>> killed Jews. Christians kill muslims. Christians kill OTHER
>>>>>>>>>>> CHRISTIANS, christians kill palistinians.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's a palistinian you fucking brainiac? Shows how dumb you
>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>> Typical liberal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does someone pull your shorts up after a ---- too? Palestinian
>>>>>>>>> = People
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> live in Palestine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think he wasa attempting a typo flame. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, since he can't argue the issue, that's the best he
>>>>>>>> can do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> funny... that moron Mark does that too, its a sign that he's been
>>>>>>> crushed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Gary just starts swearing at you. A typical sign that a
>>>>>> liberal has lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a liberal, dip.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Crushed by Gary? His arguments are circular. I have to remind him
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>> USENET and not special Olympics.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Poor little fool. You're obviously in denial. Please feel free to
>>>>> prove that christians HAVEN't killed more people than any other
>>>>> religious group in the history of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK here goes. This is USENET and not special Olympics Gary.
>>>
>>> That's your proof?
>>>
>>>
>>>> What religious fanatics killed more people in the name of this
>>>> religion in the last 5 years?
>>>
>>> Christians, dumbass. Bush is a christian.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> In the NAME of religion? I don't think so. There are Muslims in the
>> U.S. military fighting against Al Qaeda. How many Christians are in
>> Al Qaeda?[/color]
>
>
> Oh, Dan. You really think bush is warring with Iraq over Democracy?
> Seriously? I mean he doesn't even bother obeying *our* laws or *our*
> constitution. In fact he's proud of these behaviors and says he'll
> continue them. As far as the counts go, there are probably as many
> Christians in and/or helping Al Qaeda as there are US Muslims fighting
> them.[/color]

You fucking spineless gutless surrender monkeys who aid and comfort
terrorists might me wanna upchuck bigtime. FOAD slowly.



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"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
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>
> "FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:43abfa6d$0$8474$4d3efbfe@news.sover.net...[color=green]
>> Dan J.S. wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>>> news:dofi12$fc5$3@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:53:58 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:dofge4$bln$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:07:39 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1135291375.959240.237080@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:23:33 -0500, "FanJet"
>>>>>>>>> <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dan J.S. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> dot Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (drops another quarter in the slot).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your secular humanist wars throughout history have taken far
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> MY? Dumb shit. You're actually incorrect again. Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> killed more people than any other single religious group.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>> killed Jews. Christians kill muslims. Christians kill OTHER
>>>>>>>>>>>> CHRISTIANS, christians kill palistinians.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's a palistinian you fucking brainiac? Shows how dumb you
>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>> Typical liberal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does someone pull your shorts up after a ---- too? Palestinian
>>>>>>>>>> = People
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> live in Palestine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think he wasa attempting a typo flame. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, since he can't argue the issue, that's the best he
>>>>>>>>> can do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> funny... that moron Mark does that too, its a sign that he's been
>>>>>>>> crushed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, Gary just starts swearing at you. A typical sign that a
>>>>>>> liberal has lost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not a liberal, dip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Crushed by Gary? His arguments are circular. I have to remind him
>>>>>>> this is
>>>>>>> USENET and not special Olympics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Poor little fool. You're obviously in denial. Please feel free to
>>>>>> prove that christians HAVEN't killed more people than any other
>>>>>> religious group in the history of the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK here goes. This is USENET and not special Olympics Gary.
>>>>
>>>> That's your proof?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What religious fanatics killed more people in the name of this
>>>>> religion in the last 5 years?
>>>>
>>>> Christians, dumbass. Bush is a christian.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In the NAME of religion? I don't think so. There are Muslims in the
>>> U.S. military fighting against Al Qaeda. How many Christians are in
>>> Al Qaeda?[/color]
>>
>>
>> Oh, Dan. You really think bush is warring with Iraq over Democracy?
>> Seriously? I mean he doesn't even bother obeying *our* laws or *our*
>> constitution. In fact he's proud of these behaviors and says he'll
>> continue them. As far as the counts go, there are probably as many
>> Christians in and/or helping Al Qaeda as there are US Muslims fighting
>> them.
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>
> I am not oblivious to hidden agendas. There is the whole issue of
> protecting Israel, and yes, oil is a big issue, it drives our economy.
> Establishing a democracy in Iraq would help with the stability of middle
> east. Whatever the agenda may be.[/color]

Fucking leftie cocksuckers, whether they wear the robes of the
terrorists/insurgents over there, or, over here, the guise of the secular
humanists, are a waste of oxygen, surely contrary to theKyoto Accord, which
so many of them orgasm over.



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>
>
>[/color]

"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135310777.764316.288100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> Dan J.S. wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>> >
>> > dizzy wrote:
>> >> Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>What religious fanatics killed more people in the name of this
>> >> >>religion
>> >> >>in
>> >> >>the last 5 years?
>> >> >
>> >> >Christians, dumbass. Bush is a christian.
>> >>
>> >> So he claims, anyway.
>> >
>> > Was Joseph dead before Jesus began his ministry?
>> >
>> > Oh you betcha, Bush calls himself a Christian.
>> >
>> > And since he is his own 'yes man', he is a Christian. Oh, did I
>> > mention? 30,000 Iraqis have died in the war (according to a quote by
>> > DUBYA)?
>> >
>> > (See [url]http://www.google.com/search?q=30,000+bush[/url])
>> >
>> > What was the question? Last 5 years, did someone say? (At least,
>> > north of the equator.)
>> >
>> > Thankfully, Jesus introduced the world to God. That, no one can deny.
>> >[/color]
>>
>> Are you guys sure you are not French? This is just so amazing. How dumb
>> can
>> you guys really get. If you guys were alive during WWII, attitude like
>> this
>> would make us lose it and we would all be speaking German.[/color]
>
> Hey fucko... next time you quote me, keep my god damned name in the
> headers.
>[/color]

Trying not to embarrass you too much. You must really be having some issues
lately, because you USED to make sense with certain arguments. Now you are
spewing almost as bad as Gary.

"Bioboffin" <Reply_to_Group_please@zzz.invalid> wrote in message
news:GERqf.11972$5v1.10189@newsfe2-win.ntli.net...[color=blue]
> Philip wrote:[color=green]
>> "Bioboffin" <Reply_to_Group_please@zzz.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:xSAqf.29868$8v6.8572@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do we have evidence of an established species evolving into new
>>>> species?
>>>
>>> Several. If you want a couple of examples try Primula kewensis
>>> (appeared de novo in Kew Gardens in London). Or Spartina townsendii
>>> which appeared during the 1940s in the UK. However, why worry about
>>> the accuracy of scientific observation when you can look to such a
>>> superior authority as George Bush. He is stockpiling antivirals to
>>> protect against the evolution of bird 'flu into a version which will
>>> attack humans. Take care,
>>>
>>> John.[/color]
>>
>> John: All you have shown is that you don't know what a "species" is.[/color]
>
> You may be jumping to conclusions here.
>
> I accept that with respect to viruses the word species has no meaning. The
> other examples given are quite clearly new species, whatever definition
> you choose to use.[/color]

Not new "species." Perhaps the word "strain" is more appropriate. New
"strain" is not a new "species."

"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43abfa6d$0$8474$4d3efbfe@news.sover.net...[color=blue]
> Dan J.S. wrote:[color=green]
>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>> news:dofi12$fc5$3@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:53:58 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:dofge4$bln$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:07:39 -0600, "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1135291375.959240.237080@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:23:33 -0500, "FanJet"
>>>>>>>> <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dan J.S. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> dot Com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (drops another quarter in the slot).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your secular humanist wars throughout history have taken far
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> MY? Dumb shit. You're actually incorrect again. Christians
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> killed more people than any other single religious group.
>>>>>>>>>>> Christians
>>>>>>>>>>> killed Jews. Christians kill muslims. Christians kill OTHER
>>>>>>>>>>> CHRISTIANS, christians kill palistinians.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's a palistinian you fucking brainiac? Shows how dumb you
>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>> Typical liberal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does someone pull your shorts up after a ---- too? Palestinian
>>>>>>>>> = People
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> live in Palestine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think he wasa attempting a typo flame. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, since he can't argue the issue, that's the best he
>>>>>>>> can do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> funny... that moron Mark does that too, its a sign that he's been
>>>>>>> crushed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Gary just starts swearing at you. A typical sign that a
>>>>>> liberal has lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a liberal, dip.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Crushed by Gary? His arguments are circular. I have to remind him
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>> USENET and not special Olympics.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Poor little fool. You're obviously in denial. Please feel free to
>>>>> prove that christians HAVEN't killed more people than any other
>>>>> religious group in the history of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK here goes. This is USENET and not special Olympics Gary.
>>>
>>> That's your proof?
>>>
>>>
>>>> What religious fanatics killed more people in the name of this
>>>> religion in the last 5 years?
>>>
>>> Christians, dumbass. Bush is a christian.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> In the NAME of religion? I don't think so. There are Muslims in the
>> U.S. military fighting against Al Qaeda. How many Christians are in
>> Al Qaeda?[/color]
>
>
> Oh, Dan. You really think bush is warring with Iraq over Democracy?
> Seriously? I mean he doesn't even bother obeying *our* laws or *our*
> constitution. In fact he's proud of these behaviors and says he'll
> continue them. As far as the counts go, there are probably as many
> Christians in and/or helping Al Qaeda as there are US Muslims fighting
> them.[/color]

Wishful, whimsical, fantasy on your part, Fanny.

Dan J.S. wrote:[color=blue]
> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1135310777.764316.288100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> >
> > Dan J.S. wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> >
> >> > dizzy wrote:
> >> >> Gary L. Burnore wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>What religious fanatics killed more people in the name of this
> >> >> >>religion
> >> >> >>in
> >> >> >>the last 5 years?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Christians, dumbass. Bush is a christian.
> >> >>
> >> >> So he claims, anyway.
> >> >
> >> > Was Joseph dead before Jesus began his ministry?
> >> >
> >> > Oh you betcha, Bush calls himself a Christian.
> >> >
> >> > And since he is his own 'yes man', he is a Christian. Oh, did I
> >> > mention? 30,000 Iraqis have died in the war (according to a quote by
> >> > DUBYA)?
> >> >
> >> > (See [url]http://www.google.com/search?q=30,000+bush[/url])
> >> >
> >> > What was the question? Last 5 years, did someone say? (At least,
> >> > north of the equator.)
> >> >
> >> > Thankfully, Jesus introduced the world to God. That, no one can deny.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Are you guys sure you are not French? This is just so amazing. How dumb
> >> can
> >> you guys really get. If you guys were alive during WWII, attitude like
> >> this
> >> would make us lose it and we would all be speaking German.[/color]
> >
> > Hey fucko... next time you quote me, keep my god damned name in the
> > headers.
> >[/color]
>
> Trying not to embarrass you too much. You must really be having some issues
> lately, because you USED to make sense with certain arguments. Now you are
> spewing almost as bad as Gary.[/color]

Where's all the pubs anyway? The only hot-headed dittohead we have
around here lately is the fish guy.

"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:05Mqf.3907$km.2603@edtnps89...[color=blue]
>
> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
> news:dog136$ep$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 05:11:26 GMT, "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>news:vfKqf.9389$nm.7472@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>> Christians did plenty of killing during the Crusades.
>>>
>>>Centuries ago. Get with the times, cocksucker.[/color]
>>
>> Weren't you the one who claimed the liberals resorted to namecalling?
>>
>> BTW, afganastan and iraq are suffering losses at the hand of christian
>> fundamentalists right now.
>>[/color]
>
> You fucking ignorant cocksucking dickwad. Meanwhile, the secular
> government in communist China, murders/tortures THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS.
>[/color]

So why didn't Bush attack China instead of Iraq. It shows what a pitiful
weaking he really is.

President Bush's post-Sept. 11, 2001, authorization to the Nation*al
Security Agency to carry out electronic surveillance into pri*vate phone
calls and e-mails is consistent with court decisions and with the positions
of the Justice Department under prior presidents.



An identifiable group, al-Qai*da, was responsible for the 9/11 attacks
and believed to be plan*ning future attacks in the Unite4 States. Electronic
surveillance of communications by those who might plausibly be members of,
or in contact with, al-Qaida was probably the only means of ob*taining
information about what they were planning next. No one except the president
and the few officials with access to the NSA program can know how valuable
such surveillance has been in protecting the nation.



In the Supreme Court's 1972 Keith decision that the president does not
have inherent authority to order wiretapping without warrants to combat
domestic threats, the court said explicitly that it was NOT questioning the
president's authority to take such action in response to threats from
ABROAD.



Four federal courts of appeal


subsequently faced the issue -

dent has inherent authority to

authorize wiretapping for foreign

intelligence purposes without *

judicial warrant.



Under Presi*dent Clinton, deputy Atty. Gen

Jamie Gorelick testified that "the

Department of Justice believes,

the president has inherent authori*ty

to conduct warrant.less physical searches

for foreign intellgence purposes.*


outside of what a FISA court could authorize and also outside the
act's prohibition on electronic surveillance."



FISA's reference to surveil*lance "authorized by statute" is satisfied
by congressional passage of the post-Sept. 11 resolution giving the
president authority to "use all necessary and appropri*ate force" to prevent
those re*sponsible for Sept. 11 from carry*ing out further attacks.



Obtaining intelligence is a necessary and expected component of any
mili*tary or' other use of force to pre*veilt enemy action.



But even if the NSA activity is "electronic surveillance" and the
Sept. 11 resolution is not "statuto*ry authorization" within the mean*ing of
FISA, the act still cannot, in the words of the 2002 Ssupreme Court of
Review decision, "encroach upon the president's constitutional power."



FISA does not anticipate a post-Sept. 11 situation. What was needed
after Sept. 11, according to the president, was surveillance beyond what
could be' authrized under that kind of individualized ,case-by-case
judgment. It is hard to imagine the Supreme Court


second-guessing that presidential judgment.



Should we be afraid of this inherent presidential power? Of course. If
surveillance is used only for the purpose of prevent*ing another Sept. 11
type of attack or a similar threat, the harm of interfering with the privacy
of people in this country is minimal and the benefit is immense. The danger
is that surveillance will not be used solely for that narrow and
extraordinary purpose.



But we cannot eliminate the need for extraordinary action in the kind
of unforeseen circum*stances presented by Sept.ll. I do not believe the
Constitution al*lows Congress to take away from the president the inherent
authori*ty to act in response to a foreign attack. That inherent power is
reason to be careful about who we elect as president, but it is authority we
have needed in the past and, in the light of history, could well need again.






John Schmidt served under President Clinton from 1994 to 1997 as the
associ. ate attorney general of the United States. He is now a partner in
the Chica*go-based law firm of Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw. This article first
appeared in the Chicago Tribune.






"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:DUUqf.9856$Dd2.2123@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>[/color]
>> Oh, Dan. You really think bush is warring with Iraq over Democracy?
>> Seriously? I mean he doesn't even bother obeying *our* laws or *our*
>> constitution. In fact he's proud of these behaviors and says he'll
>> continue them. As far as the counts go, there are probably as many
>> Christians in and/or helping Al Qaeda as there are US Muslims fighting
>> them.[/color]
>
> Wishful, whimsical, fantasy on your part, Fanny.
>
>[/color]