Lincoln Zephyr or Avalon?

Debating which would be the better.

The Av seems to be popular, well built, well, equipped, and fast.

The Lincoln is interesting in its own ways.

Anyone tried both yet? I hear the Linc is a bit wheezy under the hood.

You wouldn't have to worry about anyone stealing the Zephyr :-)

Bob H wrote:
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> Debating which would be the better.
>
> The Av seems to be popular, well built, well, equipped, and fast.
>
> The Lincoln is interesting in its own ways.
>
> Anyone tried both yet? I hear the Linc is a bit wheezy under the hood.
>
>
>[/color]

ma_twain wrote:
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> You wouldn't have to worry about anyone stealing the Zephyr :-)[/color]

Yeah, because nobody's buying them. :-)

On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:44:17 -0500, Bob H wrote:
[color=blue]
> Debating which would be the better.
>
> The Av seems to be popular, well built, well, equipped, and fast.
>
> The Lincoln is interesting in its own ways.
>
> Anyone tried both yet? I hear the Linc is a bit wheezy under the hood.[/color]

Last time we had a Mercury Zephyr was a brand new one in 1980

I'm surprized they had the BALLS to revive the nameplate! People must be
running away from the showrooms (Or at least those of us that remember the
LAST Zephyr model...)

--
Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!!

Why would anybody of sound mind even contemplate basing their opinion of any
vehicle on what is on the market today with what was available many years
ago? Should I judge all new Toyotas by my first Toyota? ;)


mike hunt


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.01.07.23.54.52.884020@ae86.GTS...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:44:17 -0500, Bob H wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Debating which would be the better.
>>
>> The Av seems to be popular, well built, well, equipped, and fast.
>>
>> The Lincoln is interesting in its own ways.
>>
>> Anyone tried both yet? I hear the Linc is a bit wheezy under the hood.[/color]
>
> Last time we had a Mercury Zephyr was a brand new one in 1980
>
> I'm surprized they had the BALLS to revive the nameplate! People must be
> running away from the showrooms (Or at least those of us that remember the
> LAST Zephyr model...)
>
> --
> Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!!
>[/color]

One should be comparing the Zephyr to the Camry, not the Avalon. The Zephyr
competes in size with the Camry but with more standard equipment than a
similarly priced Camry. The Zyphyr is many thousands less than a base
Avalon that has less equipment. The Fords to compare with the Avalon are
the larger 500 and the Montigo. But again even those are larger but even
less expensive, they are available in AWD for at least $6,000 less than the
Avalon FWD.

mike hunt


"High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.01.07.22.43.54.544538@hightech.misfit...[color=blue]
> ma_twain wrote:
>[color=green]
>> You wouldn't have to worry about anyone stealing the Zephyr :-)[/color]
>
> Yeah, because nobody's buying them. :-)
>[/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:lRmdnfMmKOsuIFzeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> One should be comparing the Zephyr to the Camry, not the Avalon. The[/color]
Zephyr[color=blue]
> competes in size with the Camry but with more standard equipment than a
> similarly priced Camry. The Zyphyr is many thousands less than a base
> Avalon that has less equipment. The Fords to compare with the Avalon are
> the larger 500 and the Montigo. But again even those are larger but even
> less expensive, they are available in AWD for at least $6,000 less than[/color]
the[color=blue]
> Avalon FWD.
>
> mike hunt
>[/color]

You forgot to say "in my opinion."

The Camry has more head room (front and rear), similar leg room, more
shoulder room and has a bigger trunk. The Camry SE-V6 has a power-to-weight
ratio similar to the Zephyr and gets better gas mileage. What's not so
comparable there?

You can get a fancier stereo in the Zephyr but, so what? I can buy one at
Curcuit City with the $4K I save on the Camry up front and on the better gas
mileage and on repairs I won't be purchasing.

But, that's just me. Enjoy your Zephyr!

Heck, the Camry looks good compared to the Five Hundred, too. I've posted
on that, previously.

Of course, again, that's just my opinon - backed up by facts.
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>
> "High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2006.01.07.22.43.54.544538@hightech.misfit...[color=green]
> > ma_twain wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> You wouldn't have to worry about anyone stealing the Zephyr :-)[/color]
> >
> > Yeah, because nobody's buying them. :-)
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:19:51 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
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>Why would anybody of sound mind even contemplate basing their opinion of any
>vehicle on what is on the market today with what was available many years
>ago? Should I judge all new Toyotas by my first Toyota? ;)
>
>
>mike hunt[/color]

Isn't that the reason why Ford and GM keep changing car names? That's
due to the poor reputation of that particular name.

Why would any company be stupid enuf to resurrect a brand name when the
original model sucked. That was his point.


"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:y-ednepsiNylJ1zeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Why would anybody of sound mind even contemplate basing their opinion of
> any vehicle on what is on the market today with what was available many
> years ago? Should I judge all new Toyotas by my first Toyota? ;)
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2006.01.07.23.54.52.884020@ae86.GTS...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:44:17 -0500, Bob H wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Debating which would be the better.
>>>
>>> The Av seems to be popular, well built, well, equipped, and fast.
>>>
>>> The Lincoln is interesting in its own ways.
>>>
>>> Anyone tried both yet? I hear the Linc is a bit wheezy under the hood.[/color]
>>
>> Last time we had a Mercury Zephyr was a brand new one in 1980
>>
>> I'm surprized they had the BALLS to revive the nameplate! People must be
>> running away from the showrooms (Or at least those of us that remember
>> the
>> LAST Zephyr model...)
>>
>> --
>> Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!!
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Reach FURTHER BACK into history, Artie.


"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:__uwf.5009$%W1.969@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> Why would any company be stupid enuf to resurrect a brand name when the
> original model sucked. That was his point.
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:y-ednepsiNylJ1zeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Why would anybody of sound mind even contemplate basing their opinion of
>> any vehicle on what is on the market today with what was available many
>> years ago? Should I judge all new Toyotas by my first Toyota? ;)
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2006.01.07.23.54.52.884020@ae86.GTS...[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:44:17 -0500, Bob H wrote:
>>>
>>>> Debating which would be the better.
>>>>
>>>> The Av seems to be popular, well built, well, equipped, and fast.
>>>>
>>>> The Lincoln is interesting in its own ways.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone tried both yet? I hear the Linc is a bit wheezy under the hood.
>>>
>>> Last time we had a Mercury Zephyr was a brand new one in 1980
>>>
>>> I'm surprized they had the BALLS to revive the nameplate! People must be
>>> running away from the showrooms (Or at least those of us that remember
>>> the
>>> LAST Zephyr model...)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!!
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

The 1939 Lincoln Zephyr was a great car in its day. LOL


mike hunt



"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:__uwf.5009$%W1.969@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> Why would any company be stupid enuf to resurrect a brand name when the
> original model sucked. That was his point.
>
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:y-ednepsiNylJ1zeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Why would anybody of sound mind even contemplate basing their opinion of
>> any vehicle on what is on the market today with what was available many
>> years ago? Should I judge all new Toyotas by my first Toyota? ;)
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>[/color][/color]

I don't know, but I'm sure that is why Toyota no longer sells the Toyopet.
LOL

PS At least I got my money back


mike hunt




"Viperkiller" <nothing@nothing.net> wrote in message
news:q1o3s1h0q8k85ifq2srul3q15nfhjes5rn@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:19:51 -0500, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Why would anybody of sound mind even contemplate basing their opinion of
>>any
>>vehicle on what is on the market today with what was available many years
>>ago? Should I judge all new Toyotas by my first Toyota? ;)
>>
>>
>>mike hunt[/color]
>
> Isn't that the reason why Ford and GM keep changing car names? That's
> due to the poor reputation of that particular name.[/color]

The original poster was comparing the Avalon and the Zephyr. I not sure
what comparison to which you are referring, size or price, of the Zephyr to
the Camry or the 500. There is only one model, and three options, for the
Zephyr. As to size comparison the 500 is bigger than the others and less
expensive than either.


mike hunt


"dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
news:43c1da2b$0$3043$6d36acad@roc.nntpserver.com...[color=blue]
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:lRmdnfMmKOsuIFzeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> One should be comparing the Zephyr to the Camry, not the Avalon. The[/color]
> Zephyr[color=green]
>> competes in size with the Camry but with more standard equipment than a
>> similarly priced Camry. The Zyphyr is many thousands less than a base
>> Avalon that has less equipment. The Fords to compare with the Avalon are
>> the larger 500 and the Montigo. But again even those are larger but even
>> less expensive, they are available in AWD for at least $6,000 less than[/color]
> the[color=green]
>> Avalon FWD.
>>
>> mike hunt
>>[/color]
>
> You forgot to say "in my opinion."
>
> The Camry has more head room (front and rear), similar leg room, more
> shoulder room and has a bigger trunk. The Camry SE-V6 has a
> power-to-weight
> ratio similar to the Zephyr and gets better gas mileage. What's not so
> comparable there?
>
> You can get a fancier stereo in the Zephyr but, so what? I can buy one at
> Curcuit City with the $4K I save on the Camry up front and on the better
> gas
> mileage and on repairs I won't be purchasing.
>
> But, that's just me. Enjoy your Zephyr!
>
> Heck, the Camry looks good compared to the Five Hundred, too. I've posted
> on that, previously.
>
> Of course, again, that's just my opinon - backed up by facts.
>[color=green]
>>
>> "High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2006.01.07.22.43.54.544538@hightech.misfit...[color=darkred]
>> > ma_twain wrote:
>> >
>> >> You wouldn't have to worry about anyone stealing the Zephyr :-)
>> >
>> > Yeah, because nobody's buying them. :-)
>> >[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:KJidnTD7PIPLL1_eUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> The original poster was comparing the Avalon and the Zephyr. I not sure
> what comparison to which you are referring, size or price, of the Zephyr[/color]
to[color=blue]
> the Camry or the 500. There is only one model, and three options, for the
> Zephyr. As to size comparison the 500 is bigger than the others and less
> expensive than either.
>
> mike hunt[/color]

With respect to the Zephyr and the Camry, I wrote:
"The Camry has more head room (front and rear), similar leg room, more
shoulder room and has a bigger trunk. The Camry SE-V6 has a power-to-weight
ratio similar to the Zephyr and gets better gas mileage."

That's a comparison based on the functional interior space, performance and
fuel economy. I didn't bother to say anything about price but the Camry's
going to be about $6k less, according to Edmunds TMV.

So, you can compare the Zephyr to the Camry and, for $6K extra on the
Zephyr, you get wood trim and a better radio. Or you can compare the Avalon
to the Zephyr and, for about the same price, the Avalon is a bigger car with
similar trim and better fuel mileage.

Your choice.

As regards the Camry and the Five Hundred:
[url]http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/ford/fivehundred/100566198/specs.html?tid=edmunds.n.researchlanding.leftsidenav..8.Ford*[/url]

[url]http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/toyota/camry/100566038/specs.html?tid=edmunds.n.researchlanding.leftsidenav..8.Toyota*[/url]

Even the 4-cylinder Camry offers a rougly similar power-to-weigh ratio, has
very smilar interior room (the difference in headroom for front-seat
passengers is about .2", I think all other measurements were within an inch
and the Camry had slightly more front legroom) and has a similar-sized
trunk. If you object that they're not "comparable" because the Camry is a
smaller car on the outside, I say, "So what?" Sure, the Camry is smaller on
the outside but all "bigger on the outside" gets you is more trouble parking
(especially since the Five Hundred's turning circle sucks).

Where are you getting your pricing information? According to Edmunds, the
Five Hundred is not "less expensive than either," as the Camry's MSRP is
$2500 less than the Five Hundred and Edmunds puts their TMV, after rebates
at $2k less for the Camry.

I can't see purchasing a Five Hundred or a Zephyr over a Camry.

Of course, that's just me. I buy a car for transportation. I select one
based on capacities, capabilities, needs and the likelihood that it will be
entirely trouble-free (my experience with Toyotas) or at least mostly
trouble free but easy to fix when something does go wrong (my experience
with 4-cylinder Volvos). I don't buy a car because I'm trying to prove
something. I don't feel a need to spend extra for a high-status brand badge
or a hot quarter mile to compensate for something else.
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>
>
> "dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
> news:43c1da2b$0$3043$6d36acad@roc.nntpserver.com...[color=green]
> > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > news:lRmdnfMmKOsuIFzeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=darkred]
> >> One should be comparing the Zephyr to the Camry, not the Avalon. The[/color]
> > Zephyr[color=darkred]
> >> competes in size with the Camry but with more standard equipment than a
> >> similarly priced Camry. The Zyphyr is many thousands less than a base
> >> Avalon that has less equipment. The Fords to compare with the Avalon[/color][/color][/color]
are[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> the larger 500 and the Montigo. But again even those are larger but[/color][/color][/color]
even[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> less expensive, they are available in AWD for at least $6,000 less than[/color]
> > the[color=darkred]
> >> Avalon FWD.
> >>
> >> mike hunt
> >>[/color]
> > You forgot to say "in my opinion."
> >
> > The Camry has more head room (front and rear), similar leg room, more
> > shoulder room and has a bigger trunk. The Camry SE-V6 has a
> > power-to-weight
> > ratio similar to the Zephyr and gets better gas mileage. What's not so
> > comparable there?
> >
> > You can get a fancier stereo in the Zephyr but, so what? I can buy one[/color][/color]
at[color=blue][color=green]
> > Curcuit City with the $4K I save on the Camry up front and on the better
> > gas
> > mileage and on repairs I won't be purchasing.
> >
> > But, that's just me. Enjoy your Zephyr!
> >
> > Heck, the Camry looks good compared to the Five Hundred, too. I've[/color][/color]
posted[color=blue][color=green]
> > on that, previously.
> >
> > Of course, again, that's just my opinon - backed up by facts.
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >> news:pan.2006.01.07.22.43.54.544538@hightech.misfit...
> >> > ma_twain wrote:
> >> >> You wouldn't have to worry about anyone stealing the Zephyr :-)
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, because nobody's buying them. :-)[/color][/color][/color]

You are right. I should have said previous version.


"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:azvwf.7128$M%4.583@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> Reach FURTHER BACK into history, Artie.
>
>
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:__uwf.5009$%W1.969@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> Why would any company be stupid enuf to resurrect a brand name when the
>> original model sucked. That was his point.
>>
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:y-ednepsiNylJ1zeUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=darkred]
>>> Why would anybody of sound mind even contemplate basing their opinion of
>>> any vehicle on what is on the market today with what was available many
>>> years ago? Should I judge all new Toyotas by my first Toyota? ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>>
>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2006.01.07.23.54.52.884020@ae86.GTS...
>>>> On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:44:17 -0500, Bob H wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Debating which would be the better.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Av seems to be popular, well built, well, equipped, and fast.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Lincoln is interesting in its own ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone tried both yet? I hear the Linc is a bit wheezy under the
>>>>> hood.
>>>>
>>>> Last time we had a Mercury Zephyr was a brand new one in 1980
>>>>
>>>> I'm surprized they had the BALLS to revive the nameplate! People must
>>>> be
>>>> running away from the showrooms (Or at least those of us that remember
>>>> the
>>>> LAST Zephyr model...)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!!
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]