Re: Ex-GM Fans now Dogging GM?

SgtSilicon wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi. I didn't claim to know what you yourself is like. I was
> responding to the information you provided about the (IMHO anyway)
> extremely high taxation and lifestyle in Norway. Maybe horrible was a
> bit too strong of a word. I know a little bit about life in Norway as
> I personally know a few people from there. I like the sense of
> community and a fairly homogeneous value system among the citizens
> which I share a lot in common with. Count me as one American who
> doesn't think that diversity is always such a good thing. Diversity
> often leads to competing values and conflict. I think America's
> diversity is a strength in the aspect of the whole, but can be very
> problematic at more granular levels. Anyway, what I'm trying to say
> is I still more highly value the American way for the many freedoms
> and ways to enjoy life that it brings.[/color]

The unions have in the past managed to do for their members similar
things as are for everyone in Norway

Problem in USA compared to Norway is that because not all the companies
have unions and not all people belong to companies the standard of
living varies a lot in USA

There are a number of people in USA who are dead poor

The companies who do have unions are also forcing their companies to
pay a lot higher wages than those companies can pay

Big companies like GM and IBM have always done well for their union
members but they are trying to get away from pension payments and high
costs

Understandably because otherwise these companies can not compete

Fortunately for us in the developed world with social systems like
Norway there is a change towards using robots and they are much cheaper
than manual labor

In USA the citicens will not benefit from the robots the unions are
even fighting the robots
In Norway the whole country enjoys better living when better technology
is available

IN USA the poor become poorer and the rich richer
There is no need to share

What exactly is dead poor? You might be surprised at just how good a
life "poor" people in the USA can have if they don't screw it up for
themselves.

On 8 Jan 2006 01:32:23 -0800, [email]gosinn@gmail.com[/email] wrote:
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>SgtSilicon wrote:[color=green]
>> Hi. I didn't claim to know what you yourself is like. I was
>> responding to the information you provided about the (IMHO anyway)
>> extremely high taxation and lifestyle in Norway. Maybe horrible was a
>> bit too strong of a word. I know a little bit about life in Norway as
>> I personally know a few people from there. I like the sense of
>> community and a fairly homogeneous value system among the citizens
>> which I share a lot in common with. Count me as one American who
>> doesn't think that diversity is always such a good thing. Diversity
>> often leads to competing values and conflict. I think America's
>> diversity is a strength in the aspect of the whole, but can be very
>> problematic at more granular levels. Anyway, what I'm trying to say
>> is I still more highly value the American way for the many freedoms
>> and ways to enjoy life that it brings.[/color]
>
>The unions have in the past managed to do for their members similar
>things as are for everyone in Norway
>
>Problem in USA compared to Norway is that because not all the companies
>have unions and not all people belong to companies the standard of
>living varies a lot in USA
>
>There are a number of people in USA who are dead poor
>
>The companies who do have unions are also forcing their companies to
>pay a lot higher wages than those companies can pay
>
>Big companies like GM and IBM have always done well for their union
>members but they are trying to get away from pension payments and high
>costs
>
>Understandably because otherwise these companies can not compete
>
>Fortunately for us in the developed world with social systems like
>Norway there is a change towards using robots and they are much cheaper
>than manual labor
>
>In USA the citicens will not benefit from the robots the unions are
>even fighting the robots
>In Norway the whole country enjoys better living when better technology
>is available
>
>IN USA the poor become poorer and the rich richer
>There is no need to share[/color]

[email]gosinn@gmail.com[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
> Fortunately for us in the developed world with social systems like
> Norway there is a change towards using robots and they are much cheaper
> than manual labor
>
> In USA the citicens will not benefit from the robots the unions are
> even fighting the robots
> In Norway the whole country enjoys better living when better technology
> is available[/color]

I agree.

All the recent "problems" at GM are really a desire -- actually a need
-- to divest itself of workers who are basically sitting around watching
the robots do the work.

The cost of a car today should be more like $5000, not $20000, and it
would be if the factories could operate at the efficiencies they're
capable of. That would benefit almost everyone.

As far as unions/labor being the driver for ascendency into the middle
class -- I think that was replaced decades ago with a new model. The
people who are moving into that arena are the guys who can fix cars, not
build cars. the guys who build houses, and remodel and do body work.
Those are the guys they target in those "big truck" ads.

That is the new ladder for getting up there, not standing around in a
factory and collecting $19.95 an hour to watch a robot arm.

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> That is the new ladder for getting up there, not standing around in a[color=blue]
> factory and collecting $19.95 an hour to watch a robot arm.[/color]

Soon the option of watching the arm will not be there

One of the jobs inexperienced people get is checking out at the
supermarket
Those jobs will soon not be there either
The robots are taking over all manual work

Only question is who gets the benefit

[email]gosinn@gmail.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
> > That is the new ladder for getting up there, not standing around in a
> > factory and collecting $19.95 an hour to watch a robot arm.[/color]
>
> Soon the option of watching the arm will not be there
>
> One of the jobs inexperienced people get is checking out at the
> supermarket
> Those jobs will soon not be there either
> The robots are taking over all manual work
>
> Only question is who gets the benefit[/color]

The basic problem remains -- humans are controlled by the hypothalamus.
Best we can do is VOTE to keep 'em honest.