first oil change at 3000 miles on a new Tundra?

That's what the dealer tells me. It seems a little long; I'd be inclined to
change it at 500 miles and then again at 3000. This is the '06 V8.

Also, they said not to worry about engine break-in, but just to "drive the
hell out of it"...

Opinions?

-jeff

"Jeff Olsen" <handywired@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:BFEA29A7.18919%handywired@earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> That's what the dealer tells me. It seems a little long; I'd be inclined
> to
> change it at 500 miles and then again at 3000. This is the '06 V8.
>
> Also, they said not to worry about engine break-in, but just to "drive the
> hell out of it"...
>
> Opinions?
>
> -jeff
>[/color]

I am surprised that it even needs a change at 3000 miles.
Most Toyota engines sold in Europe, and that includes many also sold in the
USA, now have their first oil change scheduled for 10,000 miles. Many other
manufacturers now have their first oil change scheduled for 15000 miles or
more. Yes, you read it right, fifteen thousand miles and in some cases
20,000 miles.
I would not worry about an initial oil change at a low 3000 miles.

OTOH it is silly to say "drive the hell out of it". Never do that unless
there is a *very* good reason to do so. Always drive with some mechanical
sympathy.

Huw

Huw wrote:[color=blue]
> "Jeff Olsen" <handywired@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:BFEA29A7.18919%handywired@earthlink.net...
>[color=green]
>>That's what the dealer tells me. It seems a little long; I'd be inclined
>>to
>>change it at 500 miles and then again at 3000. This is the '06 V8.
>>
>>Also, they said not to worry about engine break-in, but just to "drive the
>>hell out of it"...
>>
>>Opinions?
>>
>>-jeff
>>[/color]
>
>
> I am surprised that it even needs a change at 3000 miles.
> Most Toyota engines sold in Europe, and that includes many also sold in the
> USA, now have their first oil change scheduled for 10,000 miles. Many other
> manufacturers now have their first oil change scheduled for 15000 miles or
> more. Yes, you read it right, fifteen thousand miles and in some cases
> 20,000 miles.
> I would not worry about an initial oil change at a low 3000 miles.
>
> OTOH it is silly to say "drive the hell out of it". Never do that unless
> there is a *very* good reason to do so. Always drive with some mechanical
> sympathy.
>
> Huw
>
>[/color]


This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine, Rmemebr
that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you change it every
15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what you have left at that
mark will be a different matter vs frequent changes.

--

-----------------
[url]www.thesnoman.com[/url]

"TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> Huw wrote:[color=green]
>> "Jeff Olsen" <handywired@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:BFEA29A7.18919%handywired@earthlink.net...
>>[color=darkred]
>>>That's what the dealer tells me. It seems a little long; I'd be inclined
>>>to
>>>change it at 500 miles and then again at 3000. This is the '06 V8.
>>>
>>>Also, they said not to worry about engine break-in, but just to "drive
>>>the
>>>hell out of it"...
>>>
>>>Opinions?
>>>
>>>-jeff
>>>[/color]
>>
>>
>> I am surprised that it even needs a change at 3000 miles.
>> Most Toyota engines sold in Europe, and that includes many also sold in
>> the USA, now have their first oil change scheduled for 10,000 miles. Many
>> other manufacturers now have their first oil change scheduled for 15000
>> miles or more. Yes, you read it right, fifteen thousand miles and in some
>> cases 20,000 miles.
>> I would not worry about an initial oil change at a low 3000 miles.
>>
>> OTOH it is silly to say "drive the hell out of it". Never do that unless
>> there is a *very* good reason to do so. Always drive with some mechanical
>> sympathy.
>>
>> Huw[/color]
>
>
> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine, Rmemebr that
> they want you to buy a new truck and even if you change it every 15k it
> will still likely make it to 100k but what you have left at that mark will
> be a different matter vs frequent changes.
>[/color]

I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000 mile service
intervals. Remember that these engines are superior design and quality
engines using better oils and your Toyota may not qualify. There are no
issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules in Europe.
Follow the guidelines set out in the official service schedule. American
sold engines from International manufacturers have their service schedules
sharply increased in density due to the mindset there as exemplified above
in your post. Far easier and more profitable for the manufacturer to specify
an oil change every 3000 miles as the customer is brainwashed to accept this
and suspect an ulterior motive for reduced maintenance schedules.

VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first change
but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the first 500 miles
causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the end and reduced their
intervals and gave a first service at something like 2500 miles which was
just about acceptable to their customers and gave a reasonable chance of a
successful running-in. This was far easier than trying to educate 3000 mile
'ostriches'.




Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and with no
initial oil change to give of their best.

Huw

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:42kiacF1jqs8pU1@individual.net...[color=blue]
>
> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
> news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>>
>> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine, Rmemebr that
>> they want you to buy a new truck and even if you change it every 15k it
>> will still likely make it to 100k but what you have left at that mark
>> will be a different matter vs frequent changes.
>>[/color]
>
> I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000 mile
> service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior design and
> quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may not qualify. There
> are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules in Europe.
> Follow the guidelines set out in the official service schedule. American
> sold engines from International manufacturers have their service schedules
> sharply increased in density due to the mindset there as exemplified above
> in your post. Far easier and more profitable for the manufacturer to
> specify an oil change every 3000 miles as the customer is brainwashed to
> accept this and suspect an ulterior motive for reduced maintenance
> schedules.
>
> VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first change
> but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the first 500 miles
> causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the end and reduced their
> intervals and gave a first service at something like 2500 miles which was
> just about acceptable to their customers and gave a reasonable chance of a
> successful running-in. This was far easier than trying to educate 3000
> mile 'ostriches'.
>
> Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and with
> no initial oil change to give of their best.
>
> Huw[/color]

Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only to
Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's similar
experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has shortened up their
service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed in-dash oil service reminder
devices.
--

- Philip

"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7U9xf.7935$M%4.1095@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
>
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:42kiacF1jqs8pU1@individual.net...[color=green]
>>
>> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine, Rmemebr
>>> that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you change it every
>>> 15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what you have left at that
>>> mark will be a different matter vs frequent changes.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000 mile
>> service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior design and
>> quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may not qualify. There
>> are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules in Europe.
>> Follow the guidelines set out in the official service schedule. American
>> sold engines from International manufacturers have their service
>> schedules sharply increased in density due to the mindset there as
>> exemplified above in your post. Far easier and more profitable for the
>> manufacturer to specify an oil change every 3000 miles as the customer is
>> brainwashed to accept this and suspect an ulterior motive for reduced
>> maintenance schedules.
>>
>> VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first change
>> but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the first 500 miles
>> causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the end and reduced their
>> intervals and gave a first service at something like 2500 miles which was
>> just about acceptable to their customers and gave a reasonable chance of
>> a successful running-in. This was far easier than trying to educate 3000
>> mile 'ostriches'.
>>
>> Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and with
>> no initial oil change to give of their best.
>>
>> Huw[/color]
>
> Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only to
> Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's similar
> experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has shortened up their
> service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed in-dash oil service
> reminder devices.
> --
>
> - Philip[/color]

However, when they print out the little reminder that goes on the inside of
your windshield, the next oil change is due at 3500 miles.

"offen rong" <offen [email]rong@member.org[/email]> wrote in message
news:y2axf.33356$0y2.17938@bignews2.bellsouth.net...[color=blue]
>
> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:7U9xf.7935$M%4.1095@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>>
>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:42kiacF1jqs8pU1@individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine, Rmemebr
>>>> that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you change it every
>>>> 15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what you have left at that
>>>> mark will be a different matter vs frequent changes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000 mile
>>> service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior design and
>>> quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may not qualify. There
>>> are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules in Europe.
>>> Follow the guidelines set out in the official service schedule. American
>>> sold engines from International manufacturers have their service
>>> schedules sharply increased in density due to the mindset there as
>>> exemplified above in your post. Far easier and more profitable for the
>>> manufacturer to specify an oil change every 3000 miles as the customer
>>> is brainwashed to accept this and suspect an ulterior motive for reduced
>>> maintenance schedules.
>>>
>>> VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first
>>> change but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the first
>>> 500 miles causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the end and
>>> reduced their intervals and gave a first service at something like 2500
>>> miles which was just about acceptable to their customers and gave a
>>> reasonable chance of a successful running-in. This was far easier than
>>> trying to educate 3000 mile 'ostriches'.
>>>
>>> Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and with
>>> no initial oil change to give of their best.
>>>
>>> Huw[/color]
>>
>> Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only to
>> Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's similar
>> experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has shortened up their
>> service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed in-dash oil service
>> reminder devices.
>> --
>>
>> - Philip[/color]
>
> However, when they print out the little reminder that goes on the inside
> of your windshield, the next oil change is due at 3500 miles.[/color]


"They" is your dealership ... not Toyota.

The psychology is to state 3,500 which in actuality brings in the vehicle by
about 5,000. The problem with the 7,500 mile interval is that people would
show up by 9,000.
--

- Philip

Philip wrote:[color=blue]
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:42kiacF1jqs8pU1@individual.net...[color=green]
>>
>> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine,
>>> Rmemebr that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you
>>> change it every 15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what
>>> you have left at that mark will be a different matter vs frequent
>>> changes.[/color]
>>
>> I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000 mile
>> service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior design
>> and quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may not
>> qualify. There are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules in
>> Europe. Follow the guidelines set out in the official service schedule.
>> American sold engines from International manufacturers have their
>> service schedules sharply increased in density due to the mindset
>> there as exemplified above in your post. Far easier and more
>> profitable for the manufacturer to specify an oil change every 3000
>> miles as the customer is brainwashed to accept this and suspect an
>> ulterior motive for reduced maintenance schedules.
>>
>> VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first
>> change but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the
>> first 500 miles causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the
>> end and reduced their intervals and gave a first service at
>> something like 2500 miles which was just about acceptable to their
>> customers and gave a reasonable chance of a successful running-in.
>> This was far easier than trying to educate 3000 mile 'ostriches'.
>>
>> Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and
>> with no initial oil change to give of their best.
>>
>> Huw[/color]
>
> Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only to
> Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's similar
> experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has shortened up
> their service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed in-dash oil
> service reminder devices.[/color]

VW have had no such issues. Their issue was of people changing the initial
fill of oil too soon. Mercedes and BMW persist in the longer service
intervals as do all manufacturers in more enlightened areas and this
includes Toyota who are known to be the most conservative in this respect.
Even Toyota have 10,000 intervals here. Many GM and VAG cars have long had
20,000 mile oil change intervals. Ford are on 12000. In fact I cannot think
of any manufacturer off-hand, apart from Toyota with oil change intervals
below 12000 miles at the moment. Even my new Fiat Panda diesel, which
incedentally acheives between 65 and 70 mpg, has 12000 mile oil changes.

Huw

Philip wrote:[color=blue]
> "offen rong" <offen [email]rong@member.org[/email]> wrote in message
> news:y2axf.33356$0y2.17938@bignews2.bellsouth.net...[color=green]
>>
>> "Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:7U9xf.7935$M%4.1095@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:42kiacF1jqs8pU1@individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine,
>>>>> Rmemebr that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you
>>>>> change it every 15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what
>>>>> you have left at that mark will be a different matter vs frequent
>>>>> changes.
>>>>
>>>> I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000
>>>> mile service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior
>>>> design and quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may
>>>> not qualify. There are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile
>>>> schedules in Europe. Follow the guidelines set out in the official
>>>> service schedule.
>>>> American sold engines from International manufacturers have their
>>>> service schedules sharply increased in density due to the mindset
>>>> there as exemplified above in your post. Far easier and more
>>>> profitable for the manufacturer to specify an oil change every
>>>> 3000 miles as the customer is brainwashed to accept this and
>>>> suspect an ulterior motive for reduced maintenance schedules.
>>>>
>>>> VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first
>>>> change but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the
>>>> first 500 miles causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in
>>>> the end and reduced their intervals and gave a first service at
>>>> something like 2500 miles which was just about acceptable to their
>>>> customers and gave a reasonable chance of a successful running-in.
>>>> This was far easier than trying to educate 3000 mile 'ostriches'.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard
>>>> and with no initial oil change to give of their best.
>>>>
>>>> Huw
>>>
>>> Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only
>>> to Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's
>>> similar experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has
>>> shortened up their service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed
>>> in-dash oil service reminder devices.
>>> --
>>>
>>> - Philip[/color]
>>
>> However, when they print out the little reminder that goes on the
>> inside of your windshield, the next oil change is due at 3500 miles.[/color]
>
>
> "They" is your dealership ... not Toyota.
>
> The psychology is to state 3,500 which in actuality brings in the
> vehicle by about 5,000. The problem with the 7,500 mile interval is
> that people would show up by 9,000.[/color]

And that would be a problem?

Huw

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:42l0t3F1jflnjU1@individual.net...[color=blue]
> Philip wrote:[color=green]
>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:42kiacF1jqs8pU1@individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine,
>>>> Rmemebr that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you
>>>> change it every 15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what
>>>> you have left at that mark will be a different matter vs frequent
>>>> changes.
>>>
>>> I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000 mile
>>> service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior design
>>> and quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may not
>>> qualify. There are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules in
>>> Europe. Follow the guidelines set out in the official service schedule.
>>> American sold engines from International manufacturers have their
>>> service schedules sharply increased in density due to the mindset
>>> there as exemplified above in your post. Far easier and more
>>> profitable for the manufacturer to specify an oil change every 3000
>>> miles as the customer is brainwashed to accept this and suspect an
>>> ulterior motive for reduced maintenance schedules.
>>>
>>> VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first
>>> change but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the
>>> first 500 miles causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the
>>> end and reduced their intervals and gave a first service at
>>> something like 2500 miles which was just about acceptable to their
>>> customers and gave a reasonable chance of a successful running-in.
>>> This was far easier than trying to educate 3000 mile 'ostriches'.
>>>
>>> Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and
>>> with no initial oil change to give of their best.
>>>
>>> Huw[/color]
>>
>> Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only to
>> Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's similar
>> experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has shortened up
>> their service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed in-dash oil
>> service reminder devices.[/color]
>
> VW have had no such issues. Their issue was of people changing the initial
> fill of oil too soon. Mercedes and BMW persist in the longer service
> intervals as do all manufacturers in more enlightened areas and this
> includes Toyota who are known to be the most conservative in this respect.
> Even Toyota have 10,000 intervals here. Many GM and VAG cars have long had
> 20,000 mile oil change intervals. Ford are on 12000. In fact I cannot
> think of any manufacturer off-hand, apart from Toyota with oil change
> intervals below 12000 miles at the moment. Even my new Fiat Panda diesel,
> which incedentally acheives between 65 and 70 mpg, has 12000 mile oil
> changes.
>
> Huw
>[/color]

Why do YOU have such a FUCKING problem with 5,000 mile oil changes? I have
my 99 Camry 6 cyl's SYNTHETIC oil and filter changed every 6000 kilometres
or 6 months, whatever comes first. Unless you ALWAYS drive long highway
distances, in MODERATE temperatures, those longer intervals are purely
hypothetical. Why BITCH and WHINE and MOAN, like YOU do, over spending a
few dollars for oil changes, when protecting an investment of TENS of
thousands of dollars?

Sharx35 wrote:[color=blue]
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:42l0t3F1jflnjU1@individual.net...[color=green]
>> Philip wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:42kiacF1jqs8pU1@individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine,
>>>>> Rmemebr that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you
>>>>> change it every 15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what
>>>>> you have left at that mark will be a different matter vs frequent
>>>>> changes.
>>>>
>>>> I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000
>>>> mile service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior
>>>> design and quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may
>>>> not qualify. There are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules
>>>> in Europe. Follow the guidelines set out in the official service
>>>> schedule. American sold engines from International manufacturers
>>>> have their service schedules sharply increased in density due to
>>>> the mindset there as exemplified above in your post. Far easier
>>>> and more profitable for the manufacturer to specify an oil change
>>>> every 3000 miles as the customer is brainwashed to accept this and
>>>> suspect an ulterior motive for reduced maintenance schedules.
>>>>
>>>> VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first
>>>> change but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the
>>>> first 500 miles causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the
>>>> end and reduced their intervals and gave a first service at
>>>> something like 2500 miles which was just about acceptable to their
>>>> customers and gave a reasonable chance of a successful running-in.
>>>> This was far easier than trying to educate 3000 mile 'ostriches'.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and
>>>> with no initial oil change to give of their best.
>>>>
>>>> Huw
>>>
>>> Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only
>>> to Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's
>>> similar experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has
>>> shortened up their service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed
>>> in-dash oil service reminder devices.[/color]
>>
>> VW have had no such issues. Their issue was of people changing the
>> initial fill of oil too soon. Mercedes and BMW persist in the longer
>> service intervals as do all manufacturers in more enlightened areas
>> and this includes Toyota who are known to be the most conservative
>> in this respect. Even Toyota have 10,000 intervals here. Many GM and
>> VAG cars have long had 20,000 mile oil change intervals. Ford are on
>> 12000. In fact I cannot think of any manufacturer off-hand, apart
>> from Toyota with oil change intervals below 12000 miles at the
>> moment. Even my new Fiat Panda diesel, which incedentally acheives
>> between 65 and 70 mpg, has 12000 mile oil changes.
>>
>> Huw
>>[/color]
>
> Why do YOU have such a FUCKING problem with 5,000 mile oil changes?[/color]

If that is what Toyota recomends in your area I have no problem with it. Why
do YOU have a temper problem and such a limited vocabulary?
Why are YOU so obsessed with changing oil?


[color=blue]
> I have my 99 Camry 6 cyl's SYNTHETIC oil and filter changed every
> 6000 kilometres or 6 months, whatever comes first. Unless you ALWAYS
> drive long highway distances, in MODERATE temperatures, those longer
> intervals are purely hypothetical.[/color]

Says an obsessive compulsive oil changer with nothing better to worry about.
LOL




Why BITCH and WHINE and MOAN, like[color=blue]
> YOU do, over spending a few dollars for oil changes, when protecting
> an investment of TENS of thousands of dollars?[/color]

I am not the one with obsessive/compulsive oil change disorder.

Huw

Sharx35 wrote:
Why BITCH and WHINE and MOAN, like[color=blue]
> YOU do, over spending a few dollars for oil changes, when protecting
> an investment of TENS of thousands of dollars?[/color]

I should perhaps mention that between my wifes car and mine, they cost in
excess of US$150,000 and one is serviced at 10,000 miles and the other just
shy of 15,000 miles on average. My bet is that, all other things being
equal, they will last as long as yours.

Huw

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:42l0t3F1jflnjU1@individual.net...[color=blue]
> Philip wrote:[color=green]
>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:42kiacF1jqs8pU1@individual.net...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine,
>>>> Rmemebr that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you
>>>> change it every 15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what
>>>> you have left at that mark will be a different matter vs frequent
>>>> changes.
>>>
>>> I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000 mile
>>> service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior design
>>> and quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may not
>>> qualify. There are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules in
>>> Europe. Follow the guidelines set out in the official service schedule.
>>> American sold engines from International manufacturers have their
>>> service schedules sharply increased in density due to the mindset
>>> there as exemplified above in your post. Far easier and more
>>> profitable for the manufacturer to specify an oil change every 3000
>>> miles as the customer is brainwashed to accept this and suspect an
>>> ulterior motive for reduced maintenance schedules.
>>>
>>> VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first
>>> change but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the
>>> first 500 miles causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the
>>> end and reduced their intervals and gave a first service at
>>> something like 2500 miles which was just about acceptable to their
>>> customers and gave a reasonable chance of a successful running-in.
>>> This was far easier than trying to educate 3000 mile 'ostriches'.
>>>
>>> Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and
>>> with no initial oil change to give of their best.
>>>
>>> Huw[/color]
>>
>> Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only to
>> Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's similar
>> experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has shortened up
>> their service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed in-dash oil
>> service reminder devices.[/color]
>
> VW have had no such issues.[/color]

They did 'here' Huw.

Philip wrote:[color=blue]
> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:42l0t3F1jflnjU1@individual.net...[color=green]
>> Philip wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:42kiacF1jqs8pU1@individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine,
>>>>> Rmemebr that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you
>>>>> change it every 15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what
>>>>> you have left at that mark will be a different matter vs frequent
>>>>> changes.
>>>>
>>>> I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000
>>>> mile service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior
>>>> design and quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may
>>>> not qualify. There are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules
>>>> in Europe. Follow the guidelines set out in the official service
>>>> schedule. American sold engines from International manufacturers
>>>> have their service schedules sharply increased in density due to
>>>> the mindset there as exemplified above in your post. Far easier
>>>> and more profitable for the manufacturer to specify an oil change
>>>> every 3000 miles as the customer is brainwashed to accept this and
>>>> suspect an ulterior motive for reduced maintenance schedules.
>>>>
>>>> VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first
>>>> change but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the
>>>> first 500 miles causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the
>>>> end and reduced their intervals and gave a first service at
>>>> something like 2500 miles which was just about acceptable to their
>>>> customers and gave a reasonable chance of a successful running-in.
>>>> This was far easier than trying to educate 3000 mile 'ostriches'.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and
>>>> with no initial oil change to give of their best.
>>>>
>>>> Huw
>>>
>>> Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only
>>> to Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's
>>> similar experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has
>>> shortened up their service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed
>>> in-dash oil service reminder devices.[/color]
>>
>> VW have had no such issues.[/color]
>
> They did 'here' Huw.[/color]

With which service regime? They currently offer a choice of two regimes here
in the UK. One for low mileage drivers or those more comfortable with short
fixed intervals of 10,000 miles or one year. The other is for flexible
service intervals using better oils and service monitoring computer switched
on which can potentially offer up to 30,000 miles or two year intervals
depending on the engine fitted and operating conditions.
There have been no problems reported with either regime which have been in
place now for some six years or more.
Prior to this VW offered fixed oil change intervals of 10,000 miles and I
had a Golf [rabbit] GTi 1800 with this regime back in 1982. I ran this car
for some 80,000 miles and it then went to a higher milage user, a vehicle
finance broker who was in school with me, who ran it for a few more years
and probably doubled its milage. Last saw it some seven years ago still
going strong with the only problem other than normal service items being a
blown head gasket at some point apparently. This thing flew with a 0-60 time
of just 8.0 seconds. It was petrol by the way.

AFAIK the only issue in America with VW has been the oil consumption due to
early oil changes and light early driving. Since very few Americans indeed
would apparently buy such an exotic vehicle and not service it religiously
every 3000 miles I find it hard to believe that there have been any other
lube related problems. However if you know different and have some reference
then I would be interested. The biggest problem VW had was customers
complaining that they were not encouraged to change the oil more often and
VW eventually gave up trying to educate and now just go with the flow.

Huw

Philip wrote:[color=blue]
> "offen rong" <offen [email]rong@member.org[/email]> wrote in message
> news:y2axf.33356$0y2.17938@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>[color=green]
>>"Philip" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:7U9xf.7935$M%4.1095@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>[color=darkred]
>>>"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>news:42kiacF1jqs8pU1@individual.net...
>>>
>>>>"TheSnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4a8xf.6073$ZA2.247@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>>>This is for sales not because it is the best for the engine, Rmemebr
>>>>>that they want you to buy a new truck and even if you change it every
>>>>>15k it will still likely make it to 100k but what you have left at that
>>>>>mark will be a different matter vs frequent changes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know of a few that have now exceeded 200,000 miles at 20,000 mile
>>>>service intervals. Remember that these engines are superior design and
>>>>quality engines using better oils and your Toyota may not qualify. There
>>>>are no issues with Toyota at 10,000 mile schedules in Europe.
>>>>Follow the guidelines set out in the official service schedule. American
>>>>sold engines from International manufacturers have their service
>>>>schedules sharply increased in density due to the mindset there as
>>>>exemplified above in your post. Far easier and more profitable for the
>>>>manufacturer to specify an oil change every 3000 miles as the customer
>>>>is brainwashed to accept this and suspect an ulterior motive for reduced
>>>>maintenance schedules.
>>>>
>>>>VW started offering extended service schedules with no early first
>>>>change but found that many idiots were still changing oil at the first
>>>>500 miles causing the cylinders to glaze. They gave up in the end and
>>>>reduced their intervals and gave a first service at something like 2500
>>>>miles which was just about acceptable to their customers and gave a
>>>>reasonable chance of a successful running-in. This was far easier than
>>>>trying to educate 3000 mile 'ostriches'.
>>>>
>>>>Basically, quality engines do need to be run-in reasonable hard and with
>>>>no initial oil change to give of their best.
>>>>
>>>>Huw
>>>
>>>Huw. You've not kept up with Toyota 'here.' Due in part not only to
>>>Toyota's V6 sludging experience but also Chrysler's and VW's similar
>>>experience with longer service intervals, Toyota has shortened up their
>>>service intervals to 5,000 miles and installed in-dash oil service
>>>reminder devices.
>>>--
>>>
>>> - Philip[/color]
>>
>>However, when they print out the little reminder that goes on the inside
>>of your windshield, the next oil change is due at 3500 miles.[/color]
>
>
>
> "They" is your dealership ... not Toyota.
>
> The psychology is to state 3,500 which in actuality brings in the vehicle by
> about 5,000. The problem with the 7,500 mile interval is that people would
> show up by 9,000.[/color]


Tell you what, you change yours at 7500 or 10,00 or what have you I I
will keep changing mine every 3000 miles or so like I have for over 30
years now. I have yet to wear a engine out and I keep some of my
vehicles a long time. One I have had for over 20 years now.

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