Toyota Sienna Liftgate brake mod

A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design flaw
in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a sienna,
take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that proves that
Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end accidents - because of
poor visibility of the brake lights.

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This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do not
think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new Sienna and
Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light when brakes are
depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could result in someone
hitting you from behind.

[url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url]

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
news:11ts785ru6at687@news.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design flaw
>in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a sienna,
>take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that proves that
>Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end accidents - because
>of poor visibility of the brake lights.
>
> ---
>
> This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do not
> think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new Sienna and
> Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light when brakes
> are depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could result in
> someone hitting you from behind.
>
> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url][/color]

One of the more practical mods I've seen!
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

I would prefer a neon sign that says "Get the f##k off my tail, jackass."


"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
news:91a37$43de51fc$44a4a10d$17104@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
> news:11ts785ru6at687@news.supernews.com...[color=green]
>>A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design
>>flaw in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a
>>sienna, take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that
>>proves that Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end
>>accidents - because of poor visibility of the brake lights.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do
>> not think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new
>> Sienna and Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light
>> when brakes are depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could
>> result in someone hitting you from behind.
>>
>> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url][/color]
>
> One of the more practical mods I've seen!
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>[/color]

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:G5tDf.8934$vU2.3164@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
>I would prefer a neon sign that says "Get the f##k off my tail, jackass."
>
>[/color]

That only works if you don't have to park in a church, Boy Scout, or Girl
Scout parking lot
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 18:41:42 GMT, "Art"
<begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>I would prefer a neon sign that says "Get the f##k off my tail, jackass."[/color]

That is what you should put on your car, Art.

Where you live I would give you a life expectancy of about one day....

[color=blue]
>
>
>"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
>news:91a37$43de51fc$44a4a10d$17104@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
>> news:11ts785ru6at687@news.supernews.com...[color=darkred]
>>>A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design
>>>flaw in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a
>>>sienna, take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that
>>>proves that Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end
>>>accidents - because of poor visibility of the brake lights.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do
>>> not think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new
>>> Sienna and Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light
>>> when brakes are depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could
>>> result in someone hitting you from behind.
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url][/color]
>>
>> One of the more practical mods I've seen!
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>[/color]
>[/color]
--

Scott in Florida

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:04:53 -0600, Dan J.S. wrote:
[color=blue]
> A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design flaw
> in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a sienna,
> take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that proves that
> Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end accidents - because of
> poor visibility of the brake lights.
>
> ---
>
> This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do not
> think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new Sienna and
> Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light when brakes are
> depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could result in someone
> hitting you from behind.
>
> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url][/color]

"Sorry, the link you followed is broken"


--
A young girl I know told me I drive like an old man

I told her, actually, I drive like Mario Andretti.
It's just that too many other people on the road
drive like Paul Tracy...

Dan J.S. wrote:[color=blue]
> A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design flaw
> in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a sienna,
> take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that proves that
> Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end accidents - because of
> poor visibility of the brake lights.
>
> ---
>
> This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do not
> think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new Sienna and
> Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light when brakes are
> depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could result in someone
> hitting you from behind.
>
> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url]
>
>[/color]

I too got the message that the link you posted is no good. Please repost
the correct one. Thanks.
Morton

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
news:11ts785ru6at687@news.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design flaw
>in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a sienna,
>take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that proves that
>Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end accidents - because
>of poor visibility of the brake lights.
>
> ---
>
> This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do not
> think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new Sienna and
> Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light when brakes
> are depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could result in
> someone hitting you from behind.
>
> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url]
>[/color]

They moved the thread - here is the working link:

[url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10386[/url]

"Morton Linder" <mort@cloud9.net> wrote in message
news:YYyDf.1639$d95.24@fe08.lga...[color=blue]
> Dan J.S. wrote:[color=green]
>> A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design
>> flaw in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a
>> sienna, take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that
>> proves that Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end
>> accidents - because of poor visibility of the brake lights.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do
>> not think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new
>> Sienna and Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light
>> when brakes are depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could
>> result in someone hitting you from behind.
>>
>> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url][/color]
>
> I too got the message that the link you posted is no good. Please repost
> the correct one. Thanks.
> Morton[/color]

sorry

[url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10386[/url]

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:pan.2006.01.31.00.37.54.219896@ae86.GTS...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:04:53 -0600, Dan J.S. wrote:
>[color=green]
>> A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design
>> flaw
>> in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a sienna,
>> take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that proves
>> that
>> Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end accidents - because
>> of
>> poor visibility of the brake lights.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do
>> not
>> think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new Sienna
>> and
>> Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light when brakes
>> are
>> depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could result in
>> someone
>> hitting you from behind.
>>
>> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url][/color]
>
> "Sorry, the link you followed is broken"
>
>
> --
> A young girl I know told me I drive like an old man
>
> I told her, actually, I drive like Mario Andretti.
> It's just that too many other people on the road
> drive like Paul Tracy...[/color]
[color=blue]
>[/color]

Sorry
[url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10386[/url]

"Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
news:11tuvakle08kk6c@news.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:pan.2006.01.31.00.37.54.219896@ae86.GTS...[color=green]
>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:04:53 -0600, Dan J.S. wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design
>>> flaw
>>> in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a sienna,
>>> take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that proves
>>> that
>>> Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end accidents -
>>> because of
>>> poor visibility of the brake lights.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do
>>> not
>>> think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new Sienna
>>> and
>>> Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light when brakes
>>> are
>>> depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could result in
>>> someone
>>> hitting you from behind.
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url][/color]
>>
>> "Sorry, the link you followed is broken"
>>
>>
>> --
>> A young girl I know told me I drive like an old man
>>
>> I told her, actually, I drive like Mario Andretti.
>> It's just that too many other people on the road
>> drive like Paul Tracy...[/color]
>[color=green]
>>[/color]
>
> Sorry
> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10386[/url]
>
>
>[/color]

Ach So...

In the days when Toyotas had a 'split' tail light, like my Corolla, I made
it so the Inner lights are Brakes Only, like in Europe.
And, i made the outer brake lights into Fog Lights by adding a Relay into
the circuit, with a Toyota Fog lamp switch on the dash. In the Off position,
the outer lights work normally, taillights and brake lights. For the Fog
lights, it turns on the brake light filament, and the inner 'brake lights'
take over the brake light duties.

Oh, BTW, the inner 'Brake Lights' are a single filament, 50W Halogen
bulb...each. 100W of brake lights!

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:HPQDf.2895$%e3.1373@trndny04...[color=blue]
>
> "Dan J.S." <me@hyperx.com> wrote in message
> news:11tuvakle08kk6c@news.supernews.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2006.01.31.00.37.54.219896@ae86.GTS...[color=darkred]
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:04:53 -0600, Dan J.S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> A fellow Sienna owner and myself put this mod together to fix a design
>>>> flaw
>>>> in the Sienna minivan (recent year models 2004-on). If you own a
>>>> sienna,
>>>> take a look at this mod. I am getting insurance data today that proves
>>>> that
>>>> Siennas experience more than usual amount of rear end accidents -
>>>> because of
>>>> poor visibility of the brake lights.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> This mod is designed to improve visibility to drivers behind you. I do
>>>> not
>>>> think the regular brake lights are visible enough. Both the new Sienna
>>>> and
>>>> Odyssey have this problem, where only the side lights light when brakes
>>>> are
>>>> depressed. I think this is a major design flaw that could result in
>>>> someone
>>>> hitting you from behind.
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10410[/url]
>>>
>>> "Sorry, the link you followed is broken"
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> A young girl I know told me I drive like an old man
>>>
>>> I told her, actually, I drive like Mario Andretti.
>>> It's just that too many other people on the road
>>> drive like Paul Tracy...[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Sorry
>> [url]http://www.siennaclub.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10386[/url]
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Ach So...
>
> In the days when Toyotas had a 'split' tail light, like my Corolla, I made
> it so the Inner lights are Brakes Only, like in Europe.
> And, i made the outer brake lights into Fog Lights by adding a Relay into
> the circuit, with a Toyota Fog lamp switch on the dash. In the Off
> position, the outer lights work normally, taillights and brake lights. For
> the Fog lights, it turns on the brake light filament, and the inner 'brake
> lights' take over the brake light duties.
>
> Oh, BTW, the inner 'Brake Lights' are a single filament, 50W Halogen
> bulb...each. 100W of brake lights!
>[/color]

Sweet... yeah its a lot less in these.. just 18W each bulb -- and single
filament - hence all the resistors. it runs around 8 in normal condition,
jumps to 18 when brakes are pressed... much safer since the wife drives the
minivan