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Old 02-26-2006, 11:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Thinking small

Thinking small
[url]http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/13966149.htm[/url]

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death. For choosing not to fight, one gets subjugation, humiliation, and
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Old 02-26-2006, 12:40 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Thinking small

Jim Higgins, 2/26/2006,12:53:40 PM, wrote:
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> Thinking small
> [url]http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/139661[/url]
> 49.htm[/color]

------------------------------------------------
"Toyota and its two rivals are taking aim at a group of younger buyers
who otherwise shop for used cars. They hope these people will become
Honda, Toyota or Nissan loyalists for life, moving up to the
automakers' larger and more profitable models."
------------------------------------------------

That article reminds me of the saying:
"It's better to sell one person five cars than sell five people one car
each."
or something like that.
 
Old 02-26-2006, 01:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Thinking small

Jim Higgins wrote:[color=blue]
> Thinking small[/color]

DEMONrats and other cowardly surrender monkeys would rather just give in to
the terrorists. They have no stomach for a real fight. ***gy wusses, all of
them.

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> [url]http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/13966149.htm[/url][/color]


 
Old 02-26-2006, 02:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Thinking small


"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:EtnMf.5232$Ui.998@edtnps84...[color=blue]
> Jim Higgins wrote:[color=green]
>> Thinking small[/color]
>
> DEMONrats and other cowardly surrender monkeys would rather just give in
> to the terrorists. They have no stomach for a real fight. ***gy wusses,
> all of them.
>
>[color=green]
>> [url]http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/13966149.htm[/url][/color]
>
>[/color]

Are we in the same universe and timeline?


 
Old 02-26-2006, 02:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Thinking small

Jim Higgins, 2/26/2006,3:39:27 PM, wrote:
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> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:EtnMf.5232$Ui.998@edtnps84...[color=green]
> > Jim Higgins wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > Thinking small[/color]
> >
> > DEMONrats and other cowardly surrender monkeys would rather just
> > give in to the terrorists. They have no stomach for a real fight.
> > ***gy wusses, all of them.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > [url]http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/13[/url]
> > > 966149.htm[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
> Are we in the same universe and timeline?[/color]

I think he only read your signature.
 
Old 02-27-2006, 11:31 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Thinking small

Sharx is our resident retard. His ultra conservative upbringing has
caused
him to hide his latent homesexualilty by dispalying an intense anger
towards
homosexuals. He's a pretty sad individual.

 
Old 02-27-2006, 11:35 AM   #7 (permalink)
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ToMh, 2/27/2006,12:31:36 PM, wrote:
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> Sharx is our resident retard. His ultra conservative upbringing has
> caused
> him to hide his latent homesexualilty by dispalying an intense anger
> towards
> homosexuals. He's a pretty sad individual.[/color]

Oh, just admit you love reading his posts. It gives you a sense of
superiority.

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"A zebra does not change its spots." ~ Al Gore
 
Old 02-27-2006, 11:49 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Thinking small

You got me there :)

 
Old 03-01-2006, 03:53 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Thinking small -> david against goliath -> goliath is falling


badgolferman wrote:[color=blue]
> Jim Higgins, 2/26/2006,12:53:40 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Thinking small
> > [url]http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/139661[/url]
> > 49.htm[/color]
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> "Toyota and its two rivals are taking aim at a group of younger buyers
> who otherwise shop for used cars. They hope these people will become
> Honda, Toyota or Nissan loyalists for life, moving up to the
> automakers' larger and more profitable models."
> ------------------------------------------------[/color]

This is very interesting article

[url]http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/13966149.htm[/url]

"Now Japan's big automakers stand to profit from galloping gas prices
as they prepare to roll out a batch of fuel-efficient small vehicles.
The move could spell additional trouble for Detroit, which still seems
obsessed with gas-gulping muscle cars.

The subcompacts from Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co. and Nissan
Motor Co., which established themselves here in the 1970s with small,
reliable, fuel-efficient vehicles, will deliver fuel economy in
high-30-miles-per-gallon territory at prices starting at about $12,000."

 
Old 03-01-2006, 09:05 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Thinking small -> david against goliath -> goliath is falling

Econoboxes have been are all over the market place for years, there are few
buyers. Foreign brands are not alone in offering fuel efficient vehicles,
domestics offer many that get well over 30 MPG as well, there are few
buyers. The fact is buyers prefer the safety offered by more powerful
engines than the economy of smaller engines. That is why Toyota, Honda and
Nissan vehicles have all gotten larger and more powerful over the years.
The top ten selling vehicles in the county are not economy cars, in fact
most are not even cars, they are trucks. The Korans control the bottom
price end of the market with $10,000 entry cars available today


mike hunt




<gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141206838.211089.265130@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> badgolferman wrote:[color=green]
>> Jim Higgins, 2/26/2006,12:53:40 PM, wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Thinking small
>> > [url]http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/139661[/url]
>> > 49.htm[/color]
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> "Toyota and its two rivals are taking aim at a group of younger buyers
>> who otherwise shop for used cars. They hope these people will become
>> Honda, Toyota or Nissan loyalists for life, moving up to the
>> automakers' larger and more profitable models."
>> ------------------------------------------------[/color]
>
> This is very interesting article
>
> [url]http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/business/13966149.htm[/url]
>
> "Now Japan's big automakers stand to profit from galloping gas prices
> as they prepare to roll out a batch of fuel-efficient small vehicles.
> The move could spell additional trouble for Detroit, which still seems
> obsessed with gas-gulping muscle cars.
>
> The subcompacts from Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co. and Nissan
> Motor Co., which established themselves here in the 1970s with small,
> reliable, fuel-efficient vehicles, will deliver fuel economy in
> high-30-miles-per-gallon territory at prices starting at about $12,000."
>[/color]


 
Old 03-02-2006, 03:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Thinking small -> david against goliath -> goliath is falling

In Asia and Europe the fuel prices have been high for a long time

The governments put on taxes on fuel and that has encouraged the car
producers to make fuel efficient cars

One result is small cars

Another is alternative energy cars

Those who have just continued as if nothing has happened have lost out

Goliath never believed anything small could beat him and was over
confident and did not think he needed to do anything different than in
the past

He thought that being big would win him all battles

Hybrid cars is one solution to better fuel economy

Small cars are lighter and for one or two persons small cars are enough

They are easy to drive and they are easy to park and put in storage

Most cars are used only one or two hours every day

They then stand idle 22 hours each day

It is a waste of space to let a lot of metal just rust away for nothing

Another side effect of high fuel prices in Asia and Europe is that
trains have become better

There are examples of cities where cooperation is between trains and
hirecars and/or bicycles

You go the long distance in the train and at the destination you rent a
car for an hour to do what you need to do locally and then take the
train back

You do not need to stand there with your big hard (ir)on and have no
idea where to put it

 
Old 03-02-2006, 07:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Thinking small -> david against goliath -> goliath is falling

<gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141290577.995059.293460@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> In Asia and Europe the fuel prices have been high for a long time
>
> The governments put on taxes on fuel and that has encouraged the car
> producers to make fuel efficient cars
>
> One result is small cars
>
> Another is alternative energy cars
>
> Those who have just continued as if nothing has happened have lost out
>
> Goliath never believed anything small could beat him and was over
> confident and did not think he needed to do anything different than in
> the past
>
> He thought that being big would win him all battles
>
> Hybrid cars is one solution to better fuel economy
>
> Small cars are lighter and for one or two persons small cars are enough
>
> They are easy to drive and they are easy to park and put in storage
>
> Most cars are used only one or two hours every day
>
> They then stand idle 22 hours each day
>
> It is a waste of space to let a lot of metal just rust away for nothing
>
> Another side effect of high fuel prices in Asia and Europe is that
> trains have become better
>
> There are examples of cities where cooperation is between trains and
> hirecars and/or bicycles
>
> You go the long distance in the train and at the destination you rent a
> car for an hour to do what you need to do locally and then take the
> train back
>
> You do not need to stand there with your big hard (ir)on and have no
> idea where to put it
>[/color]

Much as I would prefer public transportation, most of the public
transportation in the US is not even good enough for the masses. I live in
the suburbs of Chicago, where there are Pace busses, but they are usually
empty and usually not going anywhere anyone wants to go, which is why they
are empty. The nearest train station is a 20 minute drive, if I'm not in a
traffic jam. If you review history, you will see that GM worked to sell
cars after WWII and to undermine the then-existing public transport systems.
There used to be a pretty good public transport system back then, at least
in the Midwest.

Charles of Schaumburg


 
Old 03-02-2006, 07:40 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Looks like GM is paying for screwing you guys in all the wrong places
for too long

 
Old 03-02-2006, 09:34 PM   #14 (permalink)
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<gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Looks like GM is paying for screwing you guys in all the wrong places
> for too long
>[/color]

Yep, but there is now in most places practically no alternative to having
one's own car in the US. I'm trying to bicycle the 3 miles to work, but
there's no practial way to do it. There's no realistically safe path. If I
had a moped, I might be able to get away with that. There's no bus that
runs betwixt here and there.

How far we've fallen can be witnessed at the Union Train Museum. They have
one map that shows the Midwest from Ohio to Iowa criscrossed with interurban
lines that existed prior to WWII. One could not own a car and go from the
Ohio river to way up in Wisconsin fairly regularly. And long before there
was FedEx out of Memphis, there was Railroad Express Agency, they used all
of the lines, long, short and local to get stuff from Point A to Point B in
a hurry. There used to be RPO's, Railway Post Offices. Took a bag of mail
from Chicago or some central point and sorted/dropped mail along the rail
line to the next major stop.

That's the amount of organization GM ruined. I've heard about the transport
system in Britain. My sister has visited there. The only time she was in a
car was when she was helping some friends go to Tesco or Asda to buy
supplies for their business. And she wasn't anywhere near London. We
should have a system nearly that good.

Charles of Schaumburg



 
Old 03-03-2006, 03:47 AM   #15 (permalink)
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The trains in Europe were also in a state of neglect until say 20 years
ago
I have been making trainrides through Europe every year and I have seen
a remarkable recovery happen
Every country is a bit unique and there is not that much communication
across borders but that too is changing
Border controls are gone
There are special trains called ICE, TGV and ECE which go faster and
between cities InteCity Express, Train à Grande Vitesse and EuroCity
Express
These trains have increased in numbers
They travel the old rails but there is no noise
They are also woking the rails and in some places they have really
highspeed trains

[url]http://www.o-keating.com/hsr/ice.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.o-keating.com/hsr/tgv.htm[/url]

These new trains are increasing in numbers all the time

Some of them two stories high
Some have really nice sleeping quarters with shower
Some have really nice restaurants
Some allow you to take the car along for the ride

It is possible to buy a ticket that is valid for all trains all around
Europe for one price for a month

Strangely enough then it is possible to get a similar bus ticket but
they do not mix with the trains - yet.

In my oppinion then trains, boats, airplanes, cars, mopeds, bus, trucks
should be mixed to get an optimal transport system

You can go all through Europe on boats
The canals have been renovated
Many of them had been neglected for a very long time

The private car has been allowed to dominate the transport scene too
much

Here in Ísland we used to only use walking, boats or horses until a
few years ago
We have skipped the trains altogether sofar at least
We still have not got good roads around the country but they are coming
fast
The private car is dominating and increasing like wildfire
The roads started to be built after 1944
We had airports while the roads were being built but they are more or
less being closed down
Same goes for harbors

The transport system should be planned and created intelligently
Because politicians in general are not intelligent the system is built
and planned after the fact
We build one meter at a time after cars have already driven somewhere
and proved there are so and so many who travel that road
Then a huge number of cars comes and we need to make it wider and wider

You can imagine what the transport system would look like if it were
planned ahead or even planned now using the best of trains, boats,
airplanes, cars, mopeds, buses, trucks, walking, bicycles

All of these are valid but as it is the car dominates and we let it

Should it not be people and the need for the best transport?

 
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