Impala VERSUS Camry

From the Automotive News (autoNews.com):

"General Motors plans to go on the offensive against Toyota with
aggressive Chevrolet advertising."

"GM will try to blunt the Toyota Camry launch in the
spring. GM will run head-to-head comparisons between the Chevrolet
Impala and the 2007 Camry in March, dealers said."

It's a risky move to bring up a competitor in advertising,
analysts say. But in this case it's necessary.

"When you're shooting at the top guy in the market, you basically
have nothing to lose by trying to persuade your own owners, and
perhaps other domestic owners, that there is no reason to defect
to Camry," said Doug Scott, industry analyst with GFK Automotive
in Southfield, Mich.

"Given Toyota's loyalty rate, it's very unlikely you will be
persuading Camry owners or Toyota owners in general to defect the
other way."

Scott noted two challenges GM faces in squaring off against the Camry.

The first would be if the new Camry turns out to be an improvement
over the current model.

The second is that the already popular Camry gets a hybrid version.

Last year, Chevrolet sold 246,481 units of the Impala in the
United States, compared with Toyota, which sold 431,703 units of
the Camry.

Scott said of the advertising: "I would recommend it on the part
of Chevy, but in my view it's more of a defensive measure than an
offensive measure."

It will be interesting to see the tv ads. Info on the new
'07 Camry:
[url]http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060224/REG/60224012/1003[/url]

so you are a big toyota fan?

"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
news:g5edncDS9_qOtp_ZRVn-iA@sysmatrix.net...[color=blue]
> From the Automotive News (autoNews.com):
>
> "General Motors plans to go on the offensive against Toyota with
> aggressive Chevrolet advertising."
>
> "GM will try to blunt the Toyota Camry launch in the
> spring. GM will run head-to-head comparisons between the Chevrolet
> Impala and the 2007 Camry in March, dealers said."
>[/color]
[snip][color=blue]
>[/color]
[url]http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060224/REG/60224012/1003[/url]

They're going on the offensive with an advertising blitz?

Maybe I'm a little crazy but wouldn't GM's best offense against the Camry
involve a really good car at a really good price?

My Dad recently rented an Impala and I rode in it. I was unimpressed.
However,, his driving scares the crap out of me, so I didn't spend as much
time considering the car's qualities as I spent preparing myself for the
afterlife.




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On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:52:00 -0600, "dh" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
>news:g5edncDS9_qOtp_ZRVn-iA@sysmatrix.net...[color=green]
>> From the Automotive News (autoNews.com):
>>
>> "General Motors plans to go on the offensive against Toyota with
>> aggressive Chevrolet advertising."
>>
>> "GM will try to blunt the Toyota Camry launch in the
>> spring. GM will run head-to-head comparisons between the Chevrolet
>> Impala and the 2007 Camry in March, dealers said."
>>[/color]
>[snip][color=green]
>>[/color]
>[url]http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060224/REG/60224012/1003[/url]
>
>They're going on the offensive with an advertising blitz?
>
>Maybe I'm a little crazy but wouldn't GM's best offense against the Camry
>involve a really good car at a really good price?
>
>My Dad recently rented an Impala and I rode in it. I was unimpressed.
>However,, his driving scares the crap out of me, so I didn't spend as much
>time considering the car's qualities as I spent preparing myself for the
>afterlife.
>[/color]

You need to go to Taiwan and rid in a cab....your dad will be a great
driver after that...lol
--

Scott in Florida

dh wrote:[color=blue]
> "Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
> news:g5edncDS9_qOtp_ZRVn-iA@sysmatrix.net...[color=green]
> > From the Automotive News (autoNews.com):
> >
> > "General Motors plans to go on the offensive against Toyota with
> > aggressive Chevrolet advertising."
> >
> > "GM will try to blunt the Toyota Camry launch in the
> > spring. GM will run head-to-head comparisons between the Chevrolet
> > Impala and the 2007 Camry in March, dealers said."
> >[/color]
> [snip][color=green]
> >[/color]
> [url]http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060224/REG/60224012/1003[/url]
>
> They're going on the offensive with an advertising blitz?
>
> Maybe I'm a little crazy but wouldn't GM's best offense against the Camry
> involve a really good car at a really good price?[/color]

Or at the very least, a really good warranty. Like Hyundai did, with
their 10-yr 100,000 mile (powertrain only?) warranty. Now their
Sonata made it as a Consumer Reports Best Buy.

[color=blue]
> My Dad recently rented an Impala and I rode in it. I was unimpressed.
> However,, his driving scares the crap out of me, so I didn't spend as much
> time considering the car's qualities as I spent preparing myself for the
> afterlife.[/color]

That would be me and my co-worker. Landed in Ontario Airport for work,
he rented a car, and he tried to turn left on a red light while I'm
screaming, "It's Red! It's Red!"

<onehappymadman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141021861.852749.128650@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> dh wrote:[color=green]
>> "Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
>> news:g5edncDS9_qOtp_ZRVn-iA@sysmatrix.net...[color=darkred]
>> > From the Automotive News (autoNews.com):
>> >
>> > "General Motors plans to go on the offensive against Toyota with
>> > aggressive Chevrolet advertising."
>> >
>> > "GM will try to blunt the Toyota Camry launch in the
>> > spring. GM will run head-to-head comparisons between the Chevrolet
>> > Impala and the 2007 Camry in March, dealers said."
>> >[/color]
>> [snip][color=darkred]
>> >[/color]
>> [url]http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060224/REG/60224012/1003[/url]
>>
>> They're going on the offensive with an advertising blitz?
>>
>> Maybe I'm a little crazy but wouldn't GM's best offense against the Camry
>> involve a really good car at a really good price?[/color]
>
> Or at the very least, a really good warranty. Like Hyundai did, with
> their 10-yr 100,000 mile (powertrain only?) warranty. Now their
> Sonata made it as a Consumer Reports Best Buy.
>
>[color=green]
>> My Dad recently rented an Impala and I rode in it. I was unimpressed.
>> However,, his driving scares the crap out of me, so I didn't spend as
>> much
>> time considering the car's qualities as I spent preparing myself for the
>> afterlife.[/color]
>
> That would be me and my co-worker. Landed in Ontario Airport for work,
> he rented a car, and he tried to turn left on a red light while I'm
> screaming, "It's Red! It's Red!"
>[/color]

Given the GM management and bean counter mindset I think it highly unlikely
that they will be capable of producing a rival to match, let alone exceed,
the quality of the Camry. GM will make way too many compromises. GM could
conceivably manage a temporary victory on a small scale but they will make
the compromises, scale back and take the short view-again. The GM managers
in place are going to save them (the same ones that got them into the
current fix)? Hardly.

"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
news:g5edncDS9_qOtp_ZRVn-iA@sysmatrix.net...[color=blue]
> From the Automotive News (autoNews.com):
>
> "General Motors plans to go on the offensive against Toyota with
> aggressive Chevrolet advertising."
>
> "GM will try to blunt the Toyota Camry launch in the
> spring. GM will run head-to-head comparisons between the Chevrolet
> Impala and the 2007 Camry in March, dealers said."
>
> It's a risky move to bring up a competitor in advertising,
> analysts say. But in this case it's necessary.
>
> "When you're shooting at the top guy in the market, you basically
> have nothing to lose by trying to persuade your own owners, and
> perhaps other domestic owners, that there is no reason to defect
> to Camry," said Doug Scott, industry analyst with GFK Automotive
> in Southfield, Mich.
>
> "Given Toyota's loyalty rate, it's very unlikely you will be
> persuading Camry owners or Toyota owners in general to defect the
> other way."
>
> Scott noted two challenges GM faces in squaring off against the Camry.
>
> The first would be if the new Camry turns out to be an improvement
> over the current model.
>
> The second is that the already popular Camry gets a hybrid version.
>
> Last year, Chevrolet sold 246,481 units of the Impala in the
> United States, compared with Toyota, which sold 431,703 units of
> the Camry.
>
> Scott said of the advertising: "I would recommend it on the part
> of Chevy, but in my view it's more of a defensive measure than an
> offensive measure."
>
> It will be interesting to see the tv ads. Info on the new
> '07 Camry:
>[/color]
[url]http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060224/REG/60224012/1003[/url]

As a Honda owner, I recently looked at the Camry as an alternative and was
impressed with what you get for the money. However, I was surprised that
in GA you are stuck whenever you buy a Toyota you must buy a $600.00 plus
paint sealant et al Toyogard package regardless. I understand that this is a
courtesy of SE Toyota distributors that dealers here must buy their Toyotas
through. Pricewise, comparing similar equipment the Toyota was a little more
expensive than a comparable Honda. Another negative in our area is the
Toyota dealership which has changed hands 4 times in the past 10 years
whereas the Honda dealer has remained under the same owner. Regarding GM
and the Impala -- I rather doubt GM management will pull this one out given
their track record. Given that Toyota and Honda successfully build cars in
the U.S. with US workers, there is no reason why GM can't succeed with the
right product. The problem hinges, in my opinion, on the vision and culture
of their management.

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:53:04 -0500, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
>news:g5edncDS9_qOtp_ZRVn-iA@sysmatrix.net...[color=green]
>> From the Automotive News (autoNews.com):
>>
>> "General Motors plans to go on the offensive against Toyota with
>> aggressive Chevrolet advertising."
>>
>> "GM will try to blunt the Toyota Camry launch in the
>> spring. GM will run head-to-head comparisons between the Chevrolet
>> Impala and the 2007 Camry in March, dealers said."
>>
>> It's a risky move to bring up a competitor in advertising,
>> analysts say. But in this case it's necessary.
>>
>> "When you're shooting at the top guy in the market, you basically
>> have nothing to lose by trying to persuade your own owners, and
>> perhaps other domestic owners, that there is no reason to defect
>> to Camry," said Doug Scott, industry analyst with GFK Automotive
>> in Southfield, Mich.
>>
>> "Given Toyota's loyalty rate, it's very unlikely you will be
>> persuading Camry owners or Toyota owners in general to defect the
>> other way."
>>
>> Scott noted two challenges GM faces in squaring off against the Camry.
>>
>> The first would be if the new Camry turns out to be an improvement
>> over the current model.
>>
>> The second is that the already popular Camry gets a hybrid version.
>>
>> Last year, Chevrolet sold 246,481 units of the Impala in the
>> United States, compared with Toyota, which sold 431,703 units of
>> the Camry.
>>
>> Scott said of the advertising: "I would recommend it on the part
>> of Chevy, but in my view it's more of a defensive measure than an
>> offensive measure."
>>
>> It will be interesting to see the tv ads. Info on the new
>> '07 Camry:
>>[/color]
>[url]http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060224/REG/60224012/1003[/url]
>
>As a Honda owner, I recently looked at the Camry as an alternative and was
>impressed with what you get for the money. However, I was surprised that
>in GA you are stuck whenever you buy a Toyota you must buy a $600.00 plus
>paint sealant et al Toyogard package regardless. I understand that this is a
>courtesy of SE Toyota distributors that dealers here must buy their Toyotas
>through. Pricewise, comparing similar equipment the Toyota was a little more
>expensive than a comparable Honda. Another negative in our area is the
>Toyota dealership which has changed hands 4 times in the past 10 years
>whereas the Honda dealer has remained under the same owner. Regarding GM
>and the Impala -- I rather doubt GM management will pull this one out given
>their track record. Given that Toyota and Honda successfully build cars in
>the U.S. with US workers, there is no reason why GM can't succeed with the
>right product. The problem hinges, in my opinion, on the vision and culture
>of their management.
>[/color]

That damned 600 dollar fee is for everyone in the South East.

My son just bought an 06 Corolla. We bought it in Philadelphia to get
away from that damned fee. Hell it was cheaper to fly to Philly and
pick up the car there than pay that outrageous fee. I told my local
dealer that I'd NEVER pay that highway robbery....LOL

--

Scott in Florida

TOYOTAS SUCK

That is one reason GM sells so many more cars than Toyota. Have I not been
telling you guys in this NG for a long time that it is the total drive home
price that one should be comparing when you purchasing a new vehicle? That
is why I left Lexus for domestics way back in 1998. I save so much money I
can buy extra cars. ;)

mike hunt


"Scott in Florida" <MoveOn@outa.here> wrote in message
news:h4v502li89p1k9s0bjmfa8f02h2pvc3g39@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:53:04 -0500, "tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote:
>[/color]
/60224012/1003[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>>As a Honda owner, I recently looked at the Camry as an alternative and was
>>impressed with what you get for the money. However, I was surprised that
>>in GA you are stuck whenever you buy a Toyota you must buy a $600.00 plus
>>paint sealant et al Toyogard package regardless.[/color][/color]

<snip>[color=blue]
>
> That damned 600 dollar fee is for everyone in the South East.
>
> My son just bought an 06 Corolla. We bought it in Philadelphia to get
> away from that damned fee. Hell it was cheaper to fly to Philly and
> pick up the car there than pay that outrageous fee. I told my local
> dealer that I'd NEVER pay that highway robbery....LOL
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida[/color]

Weird wrote:[color=blue]
> TOYOTAS SUCK[/color]

The Celica was ok.

The Honda has a much better suspension system than the Camry. An expensive
asset you can't see or notice during a short test drive.


"tww" <twaugh5@cox.net> wrote in message
news:kDCMf.134468$0G.66050@dukeread10...[color=blue]
>
> "Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
> news:g5edncDS9_qOtp_ZRVn-iA@sysmatrix.net...[color=green]
>> From the Automotive News (autoNews.com):
>>
>> "General Motors plans to go on the offensive against Toyota with
>> aggressive Chevrolet advertising."
>>
>> "GM will try to blunt the Toyota Camry launch in the
>> spring. GM will run head-to-head comparisons between the Chevrolet
>> Impala and the 2007 Camry in March, dealers said."
>>
>> It's a risky move to bring up a competitor in advertising,
>> analysts say. But in this case it's necessary.
>>
>> "When you're shooting at the top guy in the market, you basically
>> have nothing to lose by trying to persuade your own owners, and
>> perhaps other domestic owners, that there is no reason to defect
>> to Camry," said Doug Scott, industry analyst with GFK Automotive
>> in Southfield, Mich.
>>
>> "Given Toyota's loyalty rate, it's very unlikely you will be
>> persuading Camry owners or Toyota owners in general to defect the
>> other way."
>>
>> Scott noted two challenges GM faces in squaring off against the Camry.
>>
>> The first would be if the new Camry turns out to be an improvement
>> over the current model.
>>
>> The second is that the already popular Camry gets a hybrid version.
>>
>> Last year, Chevrolet sold 246,481 units of the Impala in the
>> United States, compared with Toyota, which sold 431,703 units of
>> the Camry.
>>
>> Scott said of the advertising: "I would recommend it on the part
>> of Chevy, but in my view it's more of a defensive measure than an
>> offensive measure."
>>
>> It will be interesting to see the tv ads. Info on the new
>> '07 Camry:
>>[/color]
> [url]http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060224/REG/60224012/1003[/url]
>
> As a Honda owner, I recently looked at the Camry as an alternative and was
> impressed with what you get for the money. However, I was surprised that
> in GA you are stuck whenever you buy a Toyota you must buy a $600.00 plus
> paint sealant et al Toyogard package regardless. I understand that this is
> a
> courtesy of SE Toyota distributors that dealers here must buy their
> Toyotas
> through. Pricewise, comparing similar equipment the Toyota was a little
> more
> expensive than a comparable Honda. Another negative in our area is the
> Toyota dealership which has changed hands 4 times in the past 10 years
> whereas the Honda dealer has remained under the same owner. Regarding GM
> and the Impala -- I rather doubt GM management will pull this one out
> given
> their track record. Given that Toyota and Honda successfully build cars
> in
> the U.S. with US workers, there is no reason why GM can't succeed with the
> right product. The problem hinges, in my opinion, on the vision and
> culture
> of their management.
>
>[/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:B4qcnekiM_78hp7ZUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> That is one reason GM sells so many more cars than Toyota. Have I not
> been telling you guys in this NG for a long time that it is the total
> drive home price that one should be comparing when you purchasing a new
> vehicle? That is why I left Lexus for domestics way back in 1998. I
> save so much money I can buy extra cars. ;)
>
> mike hunt
>[/color]

Not enough cars to make GM cash positive.

<onehappymadman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141021861.852749.128650@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> dh wrote:[color=green]
>> "Built_Well" <bw@bbbb.com> wrote in message
>> news:g5edncDS9_qOtp_ZRVn-iA@sysmatrix.net...[color=darkred]
>> > From the Automotive News (autoNews.com):
>> >
>> > "General Motors plans to go on the offensive against Toyota with
>> > aggressive Chevrolet advertising."
>> >
>> > "GM will try to blunt the Toyota Camry launch in the
>> > spring. GM will run head-to-head comparisons between the Chevrolet
>> > Impala and the 2007 Camry in March, dealers said."
>> >[/color]
>> [snip][color=darkred]
>> >[/color]
>> [url]http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060224/REG/60224012/1003[/url]
>>
>> They're going on the offensive with an advertising blitz?
>>
>> Maybe I'm a little crazy but wouldn't GM's best offense against the Camry
>> involve a really good car at a really good price?[/color]
>
> Or at the very least, a really good warranty. Like Hyundai did, with
> their 10-yr 100,000 mile (powertrain only?) warranty. Now their
> Sonata made it as a Consumer Reports Best Buy.
>
>[color=green]
>> My Dad recently rented an Impala and I rode in it. I was unimpressed.
>> However,, his driving scares the crap out of me, so I didn't spend as
>> much
>> time considering the car's qualities as I spent preparing myself for the
>> afterlife.[/color]
>
> That would be me and my co-worker. Landed in Ontario Airport for work,
> he rented a car, and he tried to turn left on a red light while I'm
> screaming, "It's Red! It's Red!"
>[/color]

He's in good company. In Scarbourough about 10 years ago, we were in a line
of traffic headed into Toronto, and the guy next to me was behind a van. As
soon as the light turned green ,the guy hit the gas.

Unfortunately, the van didn't...

Untill the day comes when GM can produce a v-6 engine for their cars that
is cosistently good they will never succeed. Take the 3.1 for example,
great engine for the repair shops with their quality intake setup. The
same lousey design past to the 3.4. But worse than that , here in my area
1 yr old '05 Impala's for less than Half of what they were new. I know GM
can build a quality product, but they choose not to with that awful Impala
or Malibu .
Scott