GM, Toyota end hybrid partnership

There goes GM's chances to build a hybrid that works well.

GM, Toyota end hybrid partnership
[url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/02/news/companies/gm_toyota.reut/index.htm[/url]

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> "Jim Higgins" wrote:[color=blue]
> There goes GM's chances to build a hybrid that works well.
> GM, Toyota end hybrid partnership
> [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/02/news/companies/gm_toyota.reut/index.htm[/url][/color]

Check from GM bounced?

GM would have have taken the design, figured out a way to make it cheaper,
and it would have broken in 5000 miles requiring a massive recall.


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> There goes GM's chances to build a hybrid that works well.
>
> GM, Toyota end hybrid partnership
> [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/02/news/companies/gm_toyota.reut/index.htm[/url]
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> There goes GM's chances to build a hybrid that works well.
>
> GM, Toyota end hybrid partnership
> [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/02/news/companies/gm_toyota.reut/index.htm[/url]
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I believe that collaboration was for fuel cells, not hybrid technology.
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
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> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> There goes GM's chances to build a hybrid that works well.
>>
>> GM, Toyota end hybrid partnership
>> [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/02/news/companies/gm_toyota.reut/index.htm[/url]
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> I believe that collaboration was for fuel cells, not hybrid technology.
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> Ray O
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That too would be a hybrid as would gasoline & electric (battery).

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> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
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>> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:120g9mqprni2gb1@corp.supernews.com...[color=darkred]
>>> There goes GM's chances to build a hybrid that works well.
>>>
>>> GM, Toyota end hybrid partnership
>>> [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/02/news/companies/gm_toyota.reut/index.htm[/url]
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>> I believe that collaboration was for fuel cells, not hybrid technology.
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>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
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>
> That too would be a hybrid as would gasoline & electric (battery).[/color]

Fuel cell technology is completely different from hybrid technology.

A hybrid vehicle combines two different means of providing motive power. An
gas/electric hybrid uses a gasoline powered internal combustion engine and
an electric motor; a gas/hydraulic hybrid uses an internal combustion engine
and hydraulic power.

A hydrogen fuel cell converts hydrogen to electricity without combustion,
and a fuel cell vehicle does not have an internal combustion engine.
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"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
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> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
>> news:9a7d2$4408700e$44a4a10d$29653@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:120g9mqprni2gb1@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> There goes GM's chances to build a hybrid that works well.
>>>>
>>>> GM, Toyota end hybrid partnership
>>>> [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/02/news/companies/gm_toyota.reut/index.htm[/url]
>>>>
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>>>
>>> I believe that collaboration was for fuel cells, not hybrid technology.
>>> --
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>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>[/color]
>>
>> That too would be a hybrid as would gasoline & electric (battery).[/color]
>
> Fuel cell technology is completely different from hybrid technology.
>
> A hybrid vehicle combines two different means of providing motive power.
> An gas/electric hybrid uses a gasoline powered internal combustion engine
> and an electric motor; a gas/hydraulic hybrid uses an internal combustion
> engine and hydraulic power.
>
> A hydrogen fuel cell converts hydrogen to electricity without combustion,
> and a fuel cell vehicle does not have an internal combustion engine.
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> Ray O
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>[/color]

Pause here for me to stand corrected and make my crow on rye sandwich.

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>> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
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>>>> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:120g9mqprni2gb1@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> There goes GM's chances to build a hybrid that works well.
>>>>>
>>>>> GM, Toyota end hybrid partnership
>>>>> [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/02/news/companies/gm_toyota.reut/index.htm[/url]
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>>>> I believe that collaboration was for fuel cells, not hybrid technology.
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>>>> Ray O
>>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
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>>>
>>> That too would be a hybrid as would gasoline & electric (battery).[/color]
>>
>> Fuel cell technology is completely different from hybrid technology.
>>
>> A hybrid vehicle combines two different means of providing motive power.
>> An gas/electric hybrid uses a gasoline powered internal combustion engine
>> and an electric motor; a gas/hydraulic hybrid uses an internal combustion
>> engine and hydraulic power.
>>
>> A hydrogen fuel cell converts hydrogen to electricity without combustion,
>> and a fuel cell vehicle does not have an internal combustion engine.
>> --
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>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>[/color]
>
> Pause here for me to stand corrected and make my crow on rye sandwich.[/color]

I do it all the time and have become used to the taste of crow sandwiches
;-)
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In article <f3962$44089770$44a4a10d$31255@msgid.meganewsservers.com>
rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn "Ray O" writes:
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> A hydrogen fuel cell converts hydrogen to electricity without
> combustion, and a fuel cell vehicle does not have an internal
> combustion engine.[/color]

While you fellows are chowing down on yummy crow sarnies, may one
be a tad pedantic and suggest that, in fact, what happens inside
the fuel cell _is_ internal combustion of a specialised kind? I
speak of "combustion" in the way chemists do (AIUI): combination
of atoms, with particular exchanges of electrons yadda yadda...
Nett result is a surplus of electrons at one electrode, which is
used to drive an electric current, which then does Useful Stuff.
;-)
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I doubt engineers think of internal combustion in that way.


"Andrew Stephenson" <ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <f3962$44089770$44a4a10d$31255@msgid.meganewsservers.com>
> rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn "Ray O" writes:
>[color=green]
>> A hydrogen fuel cell converts hydrogen to electricity without
>> combustion, and a fuel cell vehicle does not have an internal
>> combustion engine.[/color]
>
> While you fellows are chowing down on yummy crow sarnies, may one
> be a tad pedantic and suggest that, in fact, what happens inside
> the fuel cell _is_ internal combustion of a specialised kind? I
> speak of "combustion" in the way chemists do (AIUI): combination
> of atoms, with particular exchanges of electrons yadda yadda...
> Nett result is a surplus of electrons at one electrode, which is
> used to drive an electric current, which then does Useful Stuff.
> ;-)
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"Andrew Stephenson" <ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <f3962$44089770$44a4a10d$31255@msgid.meganewsservers.com>
> rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn "Ray O" writes:
>[color=green]
>> A hydrogen fuel cell converts hydrogen to electricity without
>> combustion, and a fuel cell vehicle does not have an internal
>> combustion engine.[/color]
>
> While you fellows are chowing down on yummy crow sarnies, may one
> be a tad pedantic and suggest that, in fact, what happens inside
> the fuel cell _is_ internal combustion of a specialised kind? I
> speak of "combustion" in the way chemists do (AIUI): combination
> of atoms, with particular exchanges of electrons yadda yadda...
> Nett result is a surplus of electrons at one electrode, which is
> used to drive an electric current, which then does Useful Stuff.
> ;-)
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> Andrew Stephenson
>[/color]

Since I am not a chemist, I'll just have to take your word on the internal
combustion thing. That said, a fuel cell-powered powerplant is still not
hybrid ;-)
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