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Old 03-22-2006, 04:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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1998 Corolla CE headlights going out

An update to my prior post regarding my problems with both my
headlights going out at the same time:

I tried to change the headlights, didn't work, I've checked the fuses,
they work fine.

I'm really new at this stuff so if someone can help me out with some
more directed advice that would be great.... where can I find a wiring
diagram? What is the best way to proceed once I do (I'm guessing start
at the lights and work my way back..?

Also, i noted there is a bunch of goup on the light connecters.. what
should I use to clean this off?

Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide!

Kevin

 
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Old 03-22-2006, 07:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 1998 Corolla CE headlights going out

"Going out" --- means they don't come on any more? Both high and low beams?
Did you replace or move around the relays yet (small black plastic plugin
modules under the hood on the fuse panel)? One is probably bad. Can you
hear the relays click when you cycle the switch on/off? Haynes or Clymers
have wiring diagrams that are a good start for $15 (or try library for
them).

"Kevin Miller" <kcmiller@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1143067018.306095.131100@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> An update to my prior post regarding my problems with both my
> headlights going out at the same time:
>
> I tried to change the headlights, didn't work, I've checked the fuses,
> they work fine.
>
> I'm really new at this stuff so if someone can help me out with some
> more directed advice that would be great.... where can I find a wiring
> diagram? What is the best way to proceed once I do (I'm guessing start
> at the lights and work my way back..?
>
> Also, i noted there is a bunch of goup on the light connecters.. what
> should I use to clean this off?
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide!
>
> Kevin
>[/color]


 
Old 03-22-2006, 08:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: 1998 Corolla CE headlights going out

They do not come on at all anymore - low beams, high beams, daytime
running lights. I looked at the module but not sure how to tell if it
is still good? How can I tell? Just try a new one? It looks like a
bunch of things including the horn may run through it (whcih stil
works)

as you can probably tell i am not an expert by any stetch of the
imagination - but am willing to learn.

Kevin

 
Old 03-22-2006, 11:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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"Kevin Miller" <kcmiller@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1143080296.380341.192800@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> They do not come on at all anymore - low beams, high beams, daytime
> running lights. I looked at the module but not sure how to tell if it
> is still good? How can I tell? Just try a new one? It looks like a
> bunch of things including the horn may run through it (whcih stil
> works)
>
> as you can probably tell i am not an expert by any stetch of the
> imagination - but am willing to learn.
>
> Kevin
>[/color]

I believe that there are separate relays for the left and right sides. I'd
suspect that the stalk-switch is bad, and it would be worth it to have it
professionally checked.
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Old 03-25-2006, 09:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: 1998 Corolla CE headlights going out

Update #2...

I took my car into the dealership to get it looked at - they say it's
the headlight assembly switch. They are going to charge me $260 to fix
it. What is the next best step - if I go to an auto wreckers would I
be able to get a used part and maybe be able to take it to another shop
somewhere? I'm sure I dont have the skills to do this myself but also
dont feel like spending that much!

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Kevin

 
Old 03-25-2006, 11:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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"Kevin Miller" <kcmiller@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1143299193.368165.103410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Update #2...
>
> I took my car into the dealership to get it looked at - they say it's
> the headlight assembly switch. They are going to charge me $260 to fix
> it. What is the next best step - if I go to an auto wreckers would I
> be able to get a used part and maybe be able to take it to another shop
> somewhere? I'm sure I dont have the skills to do this myself but also
> dont feel like spending that much!
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
> Kevin
>[/color]

I thought that the headlight combination switch was the cause. I'm pretty
sure that the dealership will charge you a fee to diagnose the problem,
which they probably would waive if you authorized them to complete the
repair. If you take the car elsewhere, you will have to pay them the
diagnostic fee and the repair fee to another shop. Any competent shop will
also charge a diagnostic fee before they proceed with the repair so you have
to figure out which course of action would cost you the least overall.

I believe that replacing the combination switch involves de-activating the
air bag and removing the steering wheel, something I would not recommend
that a novice attempt because air bags are very expensive to replace.

You may or may not be able to get the part at an auto wrecker - you'll have
to call around to find out, or perhaps the dealership or independent shop
can check for you. Some drawbacks to using a part from an auto wrecker is
that there may not be any guarantee that the used part will work - it may
eventually develop the same problem you're trying to cure and you will be
back to where you started.

The course of action that is most likely to result in a satisfactory long
lasting repair is to let the dealership complete the repair, which is what I
would do if I were in your shoes.
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Old 03-25-2006, 05:39 PM   #7 (permalink)
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"Kevin Miller" <kcmiller@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for all the help Ray O.
>[/color]

You're welcome!

good luck with the repair!
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Old 03-26-2006, 12:48 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: 1998 Corolla CE headlights going out

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:18:21 -0600, "Ray O"
<rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Kevin Miller" <kcmiller@rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:1143299193.368165.103410@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> Update #2...
>>
>> I took my car into the dealership to get it looked at - they say it's
>> the headlight assembly switch. They are going to charge me $260 to fix
>> it. What is the next best step - if I go to an auto wreckers would I
>> be able to get a used part and maybe be able to take it to another shop
>> somewhere? I'm sure I dont have the skills to do this myself but also
>> dont feel like spending that much!
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Kevin
>>[/color]
>
>I thought that the headlight combination switch was the cause. I'm pretty
>sure that the dealership will charge you a fee to diagnose the problem,
>which they probably would waive if you authorized them to complete the
>repair. If you take the car elsewhere, you will have to pay them the
>diagnostic fee and the repair fee to another shop. Any competent shop will
>also charge a diagnostic fee before they proceed with the repair so you have
>to figure out which course of action would cost you the least overall.
>
>I believe that replacing the combination switch involves de-activating the
>air bag and removing the steering wheel, something I would not recommend
>that a novice attempt because air bags are very expensive to replace.
>
>You may or may not be able to get the part at an auto wrecker - you'll have
>to call around to find out, or perhaps the dealership or independent shop
>can check for you. Some drawbacks to using a part from an auto wrecker is
>that there may not be any guarantee that the used part will work - it may
>eventually develop the same problem you're trying to cure and you will be
>back to where you started.
>
>The course of action that is most likely to result in a satisfactory long
>lasting repair is to let the dealership complete the repair, which is what I
>would do if I were in your shoes.[/color]

And another important thing to consider is that the dealer service
department might charge you $25 or $50 more than an independent shop
using new parts, but they also will stand behind the repair actually
working for the long term.

With the independents, if it breaks again, and they don't know you
from Adam and think they can soak you again, they may try. "Nope,
totally different problem, it's the muffler bearings this time."

--<< Bruce >>--

 
Old 04-16-2006, 10:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: 1998 Corolla CE headlights going out

another update - finally got it fixed... the switch was broken, and
there were two wires fused together... took them 6 or 7 hours worth of
labour to do it.. thankfully the dealership only charged me for 3
hours!

480 bucks later i can drive at night!

Thanks again for helping me out with your advice.

Kevin

 
Old 04-16-2006, 09:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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"Kevin Miller" <kcmiller@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1145201640.667721.33730@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> another update - finally got it fixed... the switch was broken, and
> there were two wires fused together... took them 6 or 7 hours worth of
> labour to do it.. thankfully the dealership only charged me for 3
> hours!
>
> 480 bucks later i can drive at night!
>
> Thanks again for helping me out with your advice.
>
> Kevin
>[/color]

the flat rate labor pricing system worked in your favor big time!
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