Checking Check Engine Lamp on '94 Camry V6

Unfortunately all I have it a Haynes manual for my '94 Camry V6. The
engine lamp has come on. I got out the Haynes to check the diagnostic
code -- no luck.

It begins with an impossible instruction. I says, " . . verify that .
.. . the transaxle is in Neutral." Then it says, "Turn the ignition
switch to ON."

On my car you cannot put the transmission in "Neutral" until the
*AFTER* the ignition switch is on. So, this instruction cannot be
followed.

Assuming the possible order is correct, after the car is in Neutral
(not running) it says to jumper between terminals TE1 and E1 in the
test terminal under the driver's dash.

The Check Engine lamp is supposed to begin to flash. It does not
flash when I jumper these terminals. It stays on constantly, just as
it does when the terminals are not jumpered.

Anyone know what might account for this?

The test terminal illustrated in the manual is the one under the
dash, but it talks about another such test terminal in the engine
compartment. Thinking the dash terminal might be defective, does
anyone know where the one under the hood is located?

jim
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"jim evans" <jimsTAKEOUTnews2@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:p460325ars5qramhdl62venrsckph2lkjj@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Unfortunately all I have it a Haynes manual for my '94 Camry V6. The
> engine lamp has come on. I got out the Haynes to check the diagnostic
> code -- no luck.
>
> It begins with an impossible instruction. I says, " . . verify that .
> . . the transaxle is in Neutral." Then it says, "Turn the ignition
> switch to ON."
>
> On my car you cannot put the transmission in "Neutral" until the
> *AFTER* the ignition switch is on. So, this instruction cannot be
> followed.
>
> Assuming the possible order is correct, after the car is in Neutral
> (not running) it says to jumper between terminals TE1 and E1 in the
> test terminal under the driver's dash.
>
> The Check Engine lamp is supposed to begin to flash. It does not
> flash when I jumper these terminals. It stays on constantly, just as
> it does when the terminals are not jumpered.
>
> Anyone know what might account for this?
>
> The test terminal illustrated in the manual is the one under the
> dash, but it talks about another such test terminal in the engine
> compartment. Thinking the dash terminal might be defective, does
> anyone know where the one under the hood is located?
>
> jim
> --
> NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth[/color]

To check codes on your car, jump terminals TE1 and E1 and turn the ignition
to the on position. The shifter position does not have anything to do with
the check. Count the flashes to get the code. When the pattern repeats,
you have all of the codes.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:30:58 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote:
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>
>"jim evans" <jimsTAKEOUTnews2@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:p460325ars5qramhdl62venrsckph2lkjj@4ax.com...[color=green]
>>[A]fter the car is in Neutral
>> (not running) it says to jumper between terminals TE1 and E1 in the
>> test terminal under the driver's dash.
>>
>> The Check Engine lamp is supposed to begin to flash. It does not
>> flash when I jumper these terminals. It stays on constantly, just as
>> it does when the terminals are not jumpered.
>>
>> Anyone know what might account for this?[/color]
>
>To check codes on your car, jump terminals TE1 and E1 and turn the ignition
>to the on position. The shifter position does not have anything to do with
>the check. Count the flashes to get the code. When the pattern repeats,
>you have all of the codes.[/color]

Thanks. As I explained the lamp does not flash when I jumper TE1 to
E1. Nothing happens. The lamp just burns steady as it does if you
don't jumper these terminals.

jim
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You need to go under the hood, not under the dash. I don't remember its
exact location, but its about 1" by 3", black plastic, and it should say
'diagnostic" on the cover. Jump the terminals in there with the IG on, and
you should be good to go.

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:01:54 -0400, "qslim" <Suckers@suckersdotcom>
wrote:
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>You need to go under the hood, not under the dash. I don't remember its
>exact location, but its about 1" by 3", black plastic, and it should say
>'diagnostic" on the cover.[/color]

I can't find the one in the engine compartment. Can someone describe
about where it is?

Something like, near fender on driver's side and near the firewall.
Or . . Near center left to right and near radiator (front). Can be
seen from above or must be accessed from underneath the vehicle, etc.,
etc.

jim
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"qslim" <Suckers@suckersdotcom> wrote:
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>You need to go under the hood, not under the dash. I don't remember its
>exact location, but its about 1" by 3", black plastic, and it should say
>'diagnostic" on the cover. Jump the terminals in there with the IG on, and
>you should be good to go.[/color]

Dunno if it matters or not but you and Ray are giving a different
sequence here...Ray says to jump the connections then turn ign
on...you say the opposite...
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-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:p0113294spqd4d75c3jmqinb63e6qjpttg@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> "qslim" <Suckers@suckersdotcom> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>You need to go under the hood, not under the dash. I don't remember its
>>exact location, but its about 1" by 3", black plastic, and it should say
>>'diagnostic" on the cover. Jump the terminals in there with the IG on, and
>>you should be good to go.[/color]
>
> Dunno if it matters or not but you and Ray are giving a different
> sequence here...Ray says to jump the connections then turn ign
> on...you say the opposite...
> --
>
> -Gord.
> (use gordon in email)[/color]

The sequence - jump then turn ignition on, or turn ignition on then jump
doesn't really matter. My personal preference is to jump, then double check
the connections, then turn the ignition on so I don't inadvertently jump 2
live terminals.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

"jim evans" <jimsTAKEOUTnews2@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ddp032p0p548ib3iajf179ms3bc68rsrp0@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:01:54 -0400, "qslim" <Suckers@suckersdotcom>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>You need to go under the hood, not under the dash. I don't remember its
>>exact location, but its about 1" by 3", black plastic, and it should say
>>'diagnostic" on the cover.[/color]
>
> I can't find the one in the engine compartment. Can someone describe
> about where it is?
>
> Something like, near fender on driver's side and near the firewall.
> Or . . Near center left to right and near radiator (front). Can be
> seen from above or must be accessed from underneath the vehicle, etc.,
> etc.
>
> jim
> --
> NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth[/color]

On my Corona (96 AT211) it's mounted on the left side of the engine bay (US
drivers side) and visible from the top.

Suggested order is insert jumper then turn ignition, this way you're in the
right place for the first flash.

On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:47:29 +1200, "FantomFan" <reaper_nz@hotmail.com>
wrote:
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>
>"jim evans" <jimsTAKEOUTnews2@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:ddp032p0p548ib3iajf179ms3bc68rsrp0@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:01:54 -0400, "qslim" <Suckers@suckersdotcom>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>You need to go under the hood, not under the dash. I don't remember its
>>>exact location, but its about 1" by 3", black plastic, and it should say
>>>'diagnostic" on the cover.[/color]
>>
>> I can't find the one in the engine compartment. Can someone describe
>> about where it is?
>>
>> Something like, near fender on driver's side and near the firewall.
>> Or . . Near center left to right and near radiator (front). Can be
>> seen from above or must be accessed from underneath the vehicle, etc.,
>> etc.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>On my Corona (96 AT211) it's mounted on the left side of the engine bay (US
>drivers side) and visible from the top.
>
>Suggested order is insert jumper then turn ignition, this way you're in the
>right place for the first flash.[/color]

Thanks for your reply.

I have two fuse/breaker panels on the left, near the fender about
midway fore-to-aft in the compartment, but I don't see a test panel.
--
jim

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote:
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>
>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>news:p0113294spqd4d75c3jmqinb63e6qjpttg@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> "qslim" <Suckers@suckersdotcom> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>You need to go under the hood, not under the dash. I don't remember its
>>>exact location, but its about 1" by 3", black plastic, and it should say
>>>'diagnostic" on the cover. Jump the terminals in there with the IG on, and
>>>you should be good to go.[/color]
>>
>> Dunno if it matters or not but you and Ray are giving a different
>> sequence here...Ray says to jump the connections then turn ign
>> on...you say the opposite...
>> --
>>
>> -Gord.
>> (use gordon in email)[/color]
>
>The sequence - jump then turn ignition on, or turn ignition on then jump
>doesn't really matter. My personal preference is to jump, then double check
>the connections, then turn the ignition on so I don't inadvertently jump 2
>live terminals.[/color]

Ok, good, you know these electronic gadgets though...sometimes
the sequence is all important...I missed a step once (only once!)
in the procedure to do some function to my very complicated Ham
radio transceiver and accidentally wiped out all my presets that
I had painfully programmed in there a couple years ago...jeez.
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:pke2329qftjgbp7of7csha66pcs7hg88cv@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"Gord Beaman" <gord@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
>>news:p0113294spqd4d75c3jmqinb63e6qjpttg@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> "qslim" <Suckers@suckersdotcom> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You need to go under the hood, not under the dash. I don't remember its
>>>>exact location, but its about 1" by 3", black plastic, and it should say
>>>>'diagnostic" on the cover. Jump the terminals in there with the IG on,
>>>>and
>>>>you should be good to go.
>>>
>>> Dunno if it matters or not but you and Ray are giving a different
>>> sequence here...Ray says to jump the connections then turn ign
>>> on...you say the opposite...
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Gord.
>>> (use gordon in email)[/color]
>>
>>The sequence - jump then turn ignition on, or turn ignition on then jump
>>doesn't really matter. My personal preference is to jump, then double
>>check
>>the connections, then turn the ignition on so I don't inadvertently jump 2
>>live terminals.[/color]
>
> Ok, good, you know these electronic gadgets though...sometimes
> the sequence is all important...I missed a step once (only once!)
> in the procedure to do some function to my very complicated Ham
> radio transceiver and accidentally wiped out all my presets that
> I had painfully programmed in there a couple years ago...jeez.
> --
>
> -Gord.
> (use gordon in email)[/color]

To be honest, the reason I followed that sequence is because customers would
get upset if I fried something in the car, and my boss would get upset if
the company had to pay for something I fried.

I remember looking at a customer's truckbed because he wanted Toyota to
cover the rust on the bed seams. It was a snowy day, and he had the usual
build-up of snow behind the rear wheels. I kicked the accumulated snow and
ice off so I could stick my head in and look at the back side of the seam
and told the service advisor and customer that I would authorize the repair.
The customer was happy and left to schedule an appointment with the body
shop, came back 5 minutes later and pointed out that when I knocked the snow
and ice off behind the rear wheel, it pulled the wires out of the rear
corner marker light because the snow and ice had built up around the wires.
Doh! Luckily, it was only an additional $40 to fix the wires.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:55:29 -0500, jim evans
<jimsTAKEOUTnews2@houston.rr.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Unfortunately all I have it a Haynes manual for my '94 Camry V6. The
>engine lamp has come on. I got out the Haynes to check the diagnostic
>code -- no luck.
>
>The Check Engine lamp is supposed to begin to flash. It does not
>flash when I jumper [TE1 to E1]. It stays on constantly, just as
>it does when the terminals are not jumpered.
>
>Anyone know what might account for this?[/color]

I assume from the replies no one knows why it does not flash the code
when I jumper the designated terminals?

It makes this into a problem. I must take the time off to drive to
the nearest dealer, leave the car, get a ride home, then get a ride
back. All to pay them $50 to spend 5 minutes plugging in a reader,and
writing down the code. Gee.

-- jim

jim evans <jimsTAKEOUTnews2@houston.rr.com> wrote:
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>On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:55:29 -0500, jim evans
><jimsTAKEOUTnews2@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Unfortunately all I have it a Haynes manual for my '94 Camry V6. The
>>engine lamp has come on. I got out the Haynes to check the diagnostic
>>code -- no luck.
>>
>>The Check Engine lamp is supposed to begin to flash. It does not
>>flash when I jumper [TE1 to E1]. It stays on constantly, just as
>>it does when the terminals are not jumpered.
>>
>>Anyone know what might account for this?[/color]
>
>I assume from the replies no one knows why it does not flash the code
>when I jumper the designated terminals?
>
>It makes this into a problem. I must take the time off to drive to
>the nearest dealer, leave the car, get a ride home, then get a ride
>back. All to pay them $50 to spend 5 minutes plugging in a reader,and
>writing down the code. Gee.
>
>-- jim[/color]

C'mon now Jim, why the attutude?, you sound like you think maybe
it's someone's fault that you don't have the equipment (and
knowlege?) to do this for yourself...
--

-Gord.
(use gordon in email)

On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:25:46 GMT, Gord Beaman <gord@islandtelecom.com>
wrote:
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>>I assume from the replies no one knows why it does not flash the code
>>when I jumper the designated terminals?[/color]
>
>C'mon now Jim, why the attutude?, you sound like you think maybe
>it's someone's fault that you don't have the equipment (and
>knowlege?) to do this for yourself...[/color]

What kind of asshole are you? Just an ordinary dimwit asshole, or a
moderately bright one whose parents never taught her civil behavior?

Now that's attitude. All I was doing in my post was checking to be
sure that no one knows the answer.

-- jim

"jim evans" <jimsTAKEOUTnews2@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:47:29 +1200, "FantomFan" <reaper_nz@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"jim evans" <jimsTAKEOUTnews2@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:ddp032p0p548ib3iajf179ms3bc68rsrp0@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:01:54 -0400, "qslim" <Suckers@suckersdotcom>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You need to go under the hood, not under the dash. I don't remember its
>>>>exact location, but its about 1" by 3", black plastic, and it should say
>>>>'diagnostic" on the cover.
>>>
>>> I can't find the one in the engine compartment. Can someone describe
>>> about where it is?
>>>
>>> Something like, near fender on driver's side and near the firewall.
>>> Or . . Near center left to right and near radiator (front). Can be
>>> seen from above or must be accessed from underneath the vehicle, etc.,
>>> etc.[/color][/color]
>[color=green]
>>On my Corona (96 AT211) it's mounted on the left side of the engine bay
>>(US
>>drivers side) and visible from the top.
>>
>>Suggested order is insert jumper then turn ignition, this way you're in
>>the
>>right place for the first flash.[/color]
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> I have two fuse/breaker panels on the left, near the fender about
> midway fore-to-aft in the compartment, but I don't see a test panel.
> --
> jim[/color]

The one in my car is a smallish rectangle, but I have also seen a reference
to a round connector. They also seem to be mounted in different areas
depending on model. From left side to bulkhead and even on the engine.

The diagnostic sheet I have been looking at for a Celica says to check for
wiring faults to your diagnostic plug if the light fails to flash.