I thought working on jack stands was bad

I don't know if I related my weekend adventure in trying to remove my tank
here:

I was under the car, on stands, of course, and heard a groan. I don't know
what it was, but since MY pumpkin was directly under the CAR'S pumpkin, I
figured I'd get the Helk out of there.

Maybe I'll try again. I have, like 6 jack stands.

I saw some guy working on a LeSabre.
With Scissor jacks.
All the way up.
No hydraulic jack.
No jack stands.
I hope all his insurance is paid up.

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:GJ_Yf.7398$aW5.5549@trndny07...[color=blue]
>I don't know if I related my weekend adventure in trying to remove my tank
> here:
>
> I was under the car, on stands, of course, and heard a groan. I don't know
> what it was, but since MY pumpkin was directly under the CAR'S pumpkin, I
> figured I'd get the Helk out of there.
>
> Maybe I'll try again. I have, like 6 jack stands.
>
> I saw some guy working on a LeSabre.
> With Scissor jacks.
> All the way up.
> No hydraulic jack.
> No jack stands.
> I hope all his insurance is paid up.
>[/color]
Yup, hearing the car make groaning noises is definitely a little worrisome
when you're under the car! I hate driving up those skinny little ramps, but
they get the car reasonably high, are usually out of the way, and are very
secure once the car is up on the ramp. I use jack stands most of the time
but you can jack up the car and stick the ramps under the tires for a little
more safety factor. Toyotas used to come with a foldable wheel chock in the
tool kit, and I snagged one from a totaled demo. It was very good at
holding the car when it is jacked up but I ran over it with the Sequoia once
and so it is mangled and no longer folds flat.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

So he is the kind of guy the Fire Department Rescue Squad talks about
that think they are quicker than gravity suddenly influencing a dense
mass object directly inches over their head when the jack fails, gets
hit, or the car slips off accidentally. They clean up a couple around
here every year. Sad. My Bend Pak 10000 lb. asymmetrical was $2400
delivered and it's worth every penny. Rated jack stands at the minimum
work fine as well IMHO.




Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> I don't know if I related my weekend adventure in trying to remove my tank
> here:
>
> I was under the car, on stands, of course, and heard a groan. I don't know
> what it was, but since MY pumpkin was directly under the CAR'S pumpkin, I
> figured I'd get the Helk out of there.
>
> Maybe I'll try again. I have, like 6 jack stands.
>
> I saw some guy working on a LeSabre.
> With Scissor jacks.
> All the way up.
> No hydraulic jack.
> No jack stands.
> I hope all his insurance is paid up.
>
>
>[/color]

This is the best bet.

Does anyone make one for "outdoors"? My garage is too small...

"Ph@Boy" <nowhere@somewhere.tv> wrote in message
news:44357809.6060202@somewhere.tv...[color=blue]
> So he is the kind of guy the Fire Department Rescue Squad talks about that
> think they are quicker than gravity suddenly influencing a dense mass
> object directly inches over their head when the jack fails, gets hit, or
> the car slips off accidentally. They clean up a couple around here every
> year. Sad. My Bend Pak 10000 lb. asymmetrical was $2400 delivered and it's
> worth every penny. Rated jack stands at the minimum work fine as well
> IMHO.
>
>
>
>
> Hachiroku wrote:[color=green]
>> I don't know if I related my weekend adventure in trying to remove my
>> tank
>> here:
>>
>> I was under the car, on stands, of course, and heard a groan. I don't
>> know
>> what it was, but since MY pumpkin was directly under the CAR'S pumpkin, I
>> figured I'd get the Helk out of there. Maybe I'll try again. I have, like
>> 6 jack stands.
>>
>> I saw some guy working on a LeSabre.
>> With Scissor jacks.
>> All the way up.
>> No hydraulic jack.
>> No jack stands.
>> I hope all his insurance is paid up.
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Dig a pit, work from underneath.

The manufacturer shows examples of outdoor installations but they must
be on a concrete pad. They do make a shorter model as well.





Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> This is the best bet.
>
> Does anyone make one for "outdoors"? My garage is too small...
>
> "Ph@Boy" <nowhere@somewhere.tv> wrote in message
> news:44357809.6060202@somewhere.tv...
>[color=green]
>>So he is the kind of guy the Fire Department Rescue Squad talks about that
>>think they are quicker than gravity suddenly influencing a dense mass
>>object directly inches over their head when the jack fails, gets hit, or
>>the car slips off accidentally. They clean up a couple around here every
>>year. Sad. My Bend Pak 10000 lb. asymmetrical was $2400 delivered and it's
>>worth every penny. Rated jack stands at the minimum work fine as well
>>IMHO.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hachiroku wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>I don't know if I related my weekend adventure in trying to remove my
>>>tank
>>>here:
>>>
>>>I was under the car, on stands, of course, and heard a groan. I don't
>>>know
>>>what it was, but since MY pumpkin was directly under the CAR'S pumpkin, I
>>>figured I'd get the Helk out of there. Maybe I'll try again. I have, like
>>>6 jack stands.
>>>
>>>I saw some guy working on a LeSabre.
>>>With Scissor jacks.
>>>All the way up.
>>>No hydraulic jack.
>>>No jack stands.
>>>I hope all his insurance is paid up.
>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:20:29 -0700, timbirr wrote:
[color=blue]
> Dig a pit, work from underneath.[/color]

LOL! That's the best idea yet!


--
In the grand scheme fo things...
What difference does it make?

Actually, an "old farmer" neighbor has exactly that inside an old
garage on his farm. I've used it more than once. Works slick,
especially being inside, because, around here in the winter, his pit
would be a "pool."

Unfortunately, my wife doesn't like the idea for our gravel driveway....

On 6 Apr 2006 20:39:53 -0700, [email]timbirr@mailcity.com[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
>Actually, an "old farmer" neighbor has exactly that inside an old
>garage on his farm. I've used it more than once. Works slick,
>especially being inside, because, around here in the winter, his pit
>would be a "pool."
>
>Unfortunately, my wife doesn't like the idea for our gravel driveway....[/color]

You have to pour a floor, line the pit with concrete blocks, access
stairs at one end, and put a step notch on each sidewall so the whole
thing can be covered up with 4X8 blocking lumber for safety - the
lumber being heavy enough so a clueless family member or neighbor can
walk or drive over the pit without themselves or their car falling in.

(Trucks and tractors, you're on your own. You can only make plans
to protect passers-by against mild forgetfulness, there are just too
many creative ways that full-blown idiocy can manifest itself to ever
guard against them all...)

If you really get that much rain, you can put a sump pump in one
corner, or a gravity drain line if your land has enough slope.

And if you are worried about hazardous gas buildup, they make little
turbine ventilators - put a 6" PVC vent line from the pit over to the
house or barn and go up the wall to the roof line, and stick a
mini-turbine on top. Instant ventilation whenever there's a breeze.

--<< Bruce >>--

--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

Well, maybe that's the way it should be, but his pit is basically a
silt trench dug in the dirt about 4 feet deep. That's about all.

Bruce, this is Massachusetts.

Pits have been outlawed.

If you *DO* want to build a pit, you have to get a permit from Town Hall AND
the Fire Department.
You have to have a FD representative come and look at the proposed site.
They give you plans. It can't have a ladder; it has to be open at one end,
straight through. A door is permissable, IIRC.
Of course, this was years ago. they may have banned them completely by now.

"Bruce L. Bergman" <blPYTHONbergman@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:hnqb32hovdd4kq54rp4eid9olua6al0cnt@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On 6 Apr 2006 20:39:53 -0700, [email]timbirr@mailcity.com[/email] wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Actually, an "old farmer" neighbor has exactly that inside an old
>>garage on his farm. I've used it more than once. Works slick,
>>especially being inside, because, around here in the winter, his pit
>>would be a "pool."
>>
>>Unfortunately, my wife doesn't like the idea for our gravel driveway....[/color]
>
> You have to pour a floor, line the pit with concrete blocks, access
> stairs at one end, and put a step notch on each sidewall so the whole
> thing can be covered up with 4X8 blocking lumber for safety - the
> lumber being heavy enough so a clueless family member or neighbor can
> walk or drive over the pit without themselves or their car falling in.
>
> (Trucks and tractors, you're on your own. You can only make plans
> to protect passers-by against mild forgetfulness, there are just too
> many creative ways that full-blown idiocy can manifest itself to ever
> guard against them all...)
>
> If you really get that much rain, you can put a sump pump in one
> corner, or a gravity drain line if your land has enough slope.
>
> And if you are worried about hazardous gas buildup, they make little
> turbine ventilators - put a 6" PVC vent line from the pit over to the
> house or barn and go up the wall to the roof line, and stick a
> mini-turbine on top. Instant ventilation whenever there's a breeze.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
>
> --
> Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
> Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
> 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
> Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.[/color]

On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:07:28 GMT, "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Bruce, this is Massachusetts.
>
>Pits have been outlawed.
>
>If you *DO* want to build a pit, you have to get a permit from Town Hall AND
>the Fire Department.
>You have to have a FD representative come and look at the proposed site.
>They give you plans. It can't have a ladder; it has to be open at one end,
>straight through. A door is permissable, IIRC.
>Of course, this was years ago. they may have banned them completely by now.[/color]

I sincerely doubt they've outlawed them totally. They may well have
placed more restrictions on them, or stared requiring the addition of
expensive gadgets stuff like continuous flammable vapor sensors and
alarms, safety nets over the pit openings at all times, permanently
installed explosion-proof lighting (at $200 a light fixture) and the
special explosion-proof power receptacles ($150 each, and $50 for each
special cord cap), permanently installed ventilation, etc.

Stuff that would make perfect sense if the pit was being built for
daily commercial use by employees at a "Spiffy Lube" shop, but total
overkill for personal residential periodic use. That's where a well
thought out compromise might be reached, and if you really need to
build a pit at a reasonable price you petition for a building-code
variance to do it per the old approved plans.

(Do your research - the councilman who wrote the new and much more
restrictive rules probably owns a heavy truck repair shop as his 'day
job' - or got a big campaign contribution from his "new best buddy"
who does. Collusion works wonders in government...)

If you own a Class A motorhome, or a bus or truck, a service pit is
the only practical way to do under-body maintenance and repair work -
I don't even want to think about the price of a 4-post lift or a
ramp-style that could handle 30 to 40 tons...

GTE had three or four of the two-post in-floor air over hydraulic
lifts for servicing the C60/F600 class Line Boom and Bucket Trucks in
our pole yard, with the movable rear-axle post in a covered slit
trench. They were probably $25K a piece just for the lift parts, the
site prep and installation would be another $25K easy. And they were
close to maxed out with some of the pole placing trucks.

--<< Bruce >>--
--
Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop
Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700
5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545
Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net.

On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 04:58:37 +0000, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:07:28 GMT, "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Bruce, this is Massachusetts.
>>
>>Pits have been outlawed.
>>
>>If you *DO* want to build a pit, you have to get a permit from Town Hall AND
>>the Fire Department.
>>You have to have a FD representative come and look at the proposed site.
>>They give you plans. It can't have a ladder; it has to be open at one end,
>>straight through. A door is permissable, IIRC.
>>Of course, this was years ago. they may have banned them completely by now.[/color]
>
> I sincerely doubt they've outlawed them totally. They may well have
> placed more restrictions on them, or stared requiring the addition of
> expensive gadgets stuff like continuous flammable vapor sensors and
> alarms, safety nets over the pit openings at all times, permanently
> installed explosion-proof lighting (at $200 a light fixture) and the
> special explosion-proof power receptacles ($150 each, and $50 for each
> special cord cap), permanently installed ventilation, etc.
>
> Stuff that would make perfect sense if the pit was being built for
> daily commercial use by employees at a "Spiffy Lube" shop, but total
> overkill for personal residential periodic use. That's where a well
> thought out compromise might be reached, and if you really need to
> build a pit at a reasonable price you petition for a building-code
> variance to do it per the old approved plans.
>
> (Do your research - the councilman who wrote the new and much more
> restrictive rules probably owns a heavy truck repair shop as his 'day
> job' - or got a big campaign contribution from his "new best buddy"
> who does. Collusion works wonders in government...)
>
> If you own a Class A motorhome, or a bus or truck, a service pit is
> the only practical way to do under-body maintenance and repair work -
> I don't even want to think about the price of a 4-post lift or a
> ramp-style that could handle 30 to 40 tons...
>
> GTE had three or four of the two-post in-floor air over hydraulic
> lifts for servicing the C60/F600 class Line Boom and Bucket Trucks in
> our pole yard, with the movable rear-axle post in a covered slit
> trench. They were probably $25K a piece just for the lift parts, the
> site prep and installation would be another $25K easy. And they were
> close to maxed out with some of the pole placing trucks.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--[/color]


The rulings on pits are State wide, not county or town!


--
In the grand scheme fo things...
What difference does it make?