OT. Crying about Gas $$$

They did it again! Intervieing a guy at the pumps, complaining about the
price of gas...

As he's pumping $80 into his Excursion...

Man, get a Toyota if you're going to biotch! Either that, or STFU and pump
the gas!
We still have it easier than 75% of the world on fuel costs.

Really? One not need to pay a premium price to buy a Toyota to get decent
fuel mileage. Toyota has nine models that get 30 MPG or more, GM sells 14
that get 30 MPG or more. GM even has two V8 models, with and EPA rating of
over 30 miles per gallon. You need not settle for an underpowered Toyota 4
cy or even a V6 to get good fuel mileage. ;)


mike hunt


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:qga3g.1576$7c.515@trndny01...[color=blue]
> They did it again! Intervieing a guy at the pumps, complaining about the
> price of gas...
>
> As he's pumping $80 into his Excursion...
>
> Man, get a Toyota if you're going to biotch! Either that, or STFU and pump
> the gas!
> We still have it easier than 75% of the world on fuel costs.
>[/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:F_adnfnreqEModDZUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Really? One not need to pay a premium price to buy a Toyota to get decent
> fuel mileage. Toyota has nine models that get 30 MPG or more, GM sells 14
> that get 30 MPG or more. GM even has two V8 models, with and EPA rating
> of over 30 miles per gallon. You need not settle for an underpowered
> Toyota 4 cy or even a V6 to get good fuel mileage. ;)
>
>
> mike hunt[/color]

Well, I was assuming one would want to buy a vehicle that gets good fuel
economy, and have a vehicle that didn't need a pile of repairs over the
period of ownership, *AND* wanted to buy it from a company that was going to
be around for a few more years.

Have you driven an HHR yet, and then compared it to a Highlander? They both
get about the same economy, they both are very similar and have 4 cyl
engines; the Highlander is AWD.

And can also get out of it's own way!

The underpowered foreign imports of yesterday now have what it takes to
travel American roads, while the American vehicles are the underpowered
vehicles (when comparing the same amount of liters displaced) that are
laughable.

I will admit, I *DID* like the interior of the HHR. What stopped me from
buying GM before was the cheap FEEL of everything in the passenger
compartment. It was pretty well laid out and felt good.

Just had to flog the thing to get it to GO! (and even then it was slow).


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>
>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:qga3g.1576$7c.515@trndny01...[color=green]
>> They did it again! Intervieing a guy at the pumps, complaining about the
>> price of gas...
>>
>> As he's pumping $80 into his Excursion...
>>
>> Man, get a Toyota if you're going to biotch! Either that, or STFU and
>> pump the gas!
>> We still have it easier than 75% of the world on fuel costs.
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:qga3g.1576$7c.515@trndny01...[color=blue]
> They did it again! Intervieing a guy at the pumps, complaining about the
> price of gas...
>
> As he's pumping $80 into his Excursion...
>
> Man, get a Toyota if you're going to biotch! Either that, or STFU and pump
> the gas!
> We still have it easier than 75% of the world on fuel costs.
>[/color]

Yeah get a Toyota Land Cruiser!!!

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:F_adnfnreqEModDZUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Really? One not need to pay a premium price to buy a Toyota to get decent
> fuel mileage. Toyota has nine models that get 30 MPG or more, GM sells 14
> that get 30 MPG or more. GM even has two V8 models, with and EPA rating
> of over 30 miles per gallon. You need not settle for an underpowered
> Toyota 4 cy or even a V6 to get good fuel mileage. ;)
>
>
> mike hunt
>[/color]

This is exactly why GM is doing so great! and Toyota is almost bankrupt...
oh wait....

It really is ironic how far GM and Ford in particular are behind in engine
development. GM has a good engine in their Cadillac. They should stick it
in the rest of their vehicles while they improve the rest of their lot.


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:F7b3g.799$Ne.622@trndny02...[color=blue]
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:F_adnfnreqEModDZUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Really? One not need to pay a premium price to buy a Toyota to get
>> decent fuel mileage. Toyota has nine models that get 30 MPG or more, GM
>> sells 14 that get 30 MPG or more. GM even has two V8 models, with and
>> EPA rating of over 30 miles per gallon. You need not settle for an
>> underpowered Toyota 4 cy or even a V6 to get good fuel mileage. ;)
>>
>>
>> mike hunt[/color]
>
> Well, I was assuming one would want to buy a vehicle that gets good fuel
> economy, and have a vehicle that didn't need a pile of repairs over the
> period of ownership, *AND* wanted to buy it from a company that was going
> to be around for a few more years.
>
> Have you driven an HHR yet, and then compared it to a Highlander? They
> both get about the same economy, they both are very similar and have 4 cyl
> engines; the Highlander is AWD.
>
> And can also get out of it's own way!
>
> The underpowered foreign imports of yesterday now have what it takes to
> travel American roads, while the American vehicles are the underpowered
> vehicles (when comparing the same amount of liters displaced) that are
> laughable.
>
> I will admit, I *DID* like the interior of the HHR. What stopped me from
> buying GM before was the cheap FEEL of everything in the passenger
> compartment. It was pretty well laid out and felt good.
>
> Just had to flog the thing to get it to GO! (and even then it was slow).
>
>
>[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:qga3g.1576$7c.515@trndny01...[color=darkred]
>>> They did it again! Intervieing a guy at the pumps, complaining about the
>>> price of gas...
>>>
>>> As he's pumping $80 into his Excursion...
>>>
>>> Man, get a Toyota if you're going to biotch! Either that, or STFU and
>>> pump the gas!
>>> We still have it easier than 75% of the world on fuel costs.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Where do you get the idea Ford engines are behind in engine development?
Ford engines are state of the art and have been for ten years or more. GM
and Chrysler are the only manufacture building multi-stage engines that can
operate on half the cylinders when needed to save fuel.


mike hunt


"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:Gmb3g.12334$i41.12293@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> It really is ironic how far GM and Ford in particular are behind in engine
> development. GM has a good engine in their Cadillac. They should stick
> it in the rest of their vehicles while they improve the rest of their lot.
>
>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:F7b3g.799$Ne.622@trndny02...[color=green]
>>
>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>> news:F_adnfnreqEModDZUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=darkred]
>>> Really? One not need to pay a premium price to buy a Toyota to get
>>> decent fuel mileage. Toyota has nine models that get 30 MPG or more, GM
>>> sells 14 that get 30 MPG or more. GM even has two V8 models, with and
>>> EPA rating of over 30 miles per gallon. You need not settle for an
>>> underpowered Toyota 4 cy or even a V6 to get good fuel mileage. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> mike hunt[/color]
>>
>> Well, I was assuming one would want to buy a vehicle that gets good fuel
>> economy, and have a vehicle that didn't need a pile of repairs over the
>> period of ownership, *AND* wanted to buy it from a company that was going
>> to be around for a few more years.
>>
>> Have you driven an HHR yet, and then compared it to a Highlander? They
>> both get about the same economy, they both are very similar and have 4
>> cyl engines; the Highlander is AWD.
>>
>> And can also get out of it's own way!
>>
>> The underpowered foreign imports of yesterday now have what it takes to
>> travel American roads, while the American vehicles are the underpowered
>> vehicles (when comparing the same amount of liters displaced) that are
>> laughable.
>>
>> I will admit, I *DID* like the interior of the HHR. What stopped me from
>> buying GM before was the cheap FEEL of everything in the passenger
>> compartment. It was pretty well laid out and felt good.
>>
>> Just had to flog the thing to get it to GO! (and even then it was slow).
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>> news:qga3g.1576$7c.515@trndny01...
>>>> They did it again! Intervieing a guy at the pumps, complaining about
>>>> the price of gas...
>>>>
>>>> As he's pumping $80 into his Excursion...
>>>>
>>>> Man, get a Toyota if you're going to biotch! Either that, or STFU and
>>>> pump the gas!
>>>> We still have it easier than 75% of the world on fuel costs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

GM still sells more than twice as many vehicles in the US than does Toyota
;)


mike hunt


"Dan J.S." <smeski@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:124qgd9r5mh8c0e@news.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:F_adnfnreqEModDZUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Really? One not need to pay a premium price to buy a Toyota to get
>> decent fuel mileage. Toyota has nine models that get 30 MPG or more, GM
>> sells 14 that get 30 MPG or more. GM even has two V8 models, with and
>> EPA rating of over 30 miles per gallon. You need not settle for an
>> underpowered Toyota 4 cy or even a V6 to get good fuel mileage. ;)
>>
>>
>> mike hunt
>>[/color]
>
> This is exactly why GM is doing so great! and Toyota is almost bankrupt...
> oh wait....
>[/color]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:21:54 -0500, Dan J.S. wrote:
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>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:qga3g.1576$7c.515@trndny01...[color=green]
>> They did it again! Intervieing a guy at the pumps, complaining about the
>> price of gas...
>>
>> As he's pumping $80 into his Excursion...
>>
>> Man, get a Toyota if you're going to biotch! Either that, or STFU and pump
>> the gas!
>> We still have it easier than 75% of the world on fuel costs.
>>[/color]
>
> Yeah get a Toyota Land Cruiser!!![/color]

Smart @ss! ;)

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:09:19 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:
[color=blue]
> Where do you get the idea Ford engines are behind in engine development?
> Ford engines are state of the art and have been for ten years or more.[/color]

You mean the ones developed with the engineers from Mazda?
[color=blue]
> GM
> and Chrysler are the only manufacture building multi-stage engines that can
> operate on half the cylinders when needed to save fuel.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:Gmb3g.12334$i41.12293@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> It really is ironic how far GM and Ford in particular are behind in engine
>> development. GM has a good engine in their Cadillac. They should stick
>> it in the rest of their vehicles while they improve the rest of their lot.
>>
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:F7b3g.799$Ne.622@trndny02...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:F_adnfnreqEModDZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>> Really? One not need to pay a premium price to buy a Toyota to get
>>>> decent fuel mileage. Toyota has nine models that get 30 MPG or more, GM
>>>> sells 14 that get 30 MPG or more. GM even has two V8 models, with and
>>>> EPA rating of over 30 miles per gallon. You need not settle for an
>>>> underpowered Toyota 4 cy or even a V6 to get good fuel mileage. ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mike hunt
>>>
>>> Well, I was assuming one would want to buy a vehicle that gets good fuel
>>> economy, and have a vehicle that didn't need a pile of repairs over the
>>> period of ownership, *AND* wanted to buy it from a company that was going
>>> to be around for a few more years.
>>>
>>> Have you driven an HHR yet, and then compared it to a Highlander? They
>>> both get about the same economy, they both are very similar and have 4
>>> cyl engines; the Highlander is AWD.
>>>
>>> And can also get out of it's own way!
>>>
>>> The underpowered foreign imports of yesterday now have what it takes to
>>> travel American roads, while the American vehicles are the underpowered
>>> vehicles (when comparing the same amount of liters displaced) that are
>>> laughable.
>>>
>>> I will admit, I *DID* like the interior of the HHR. What stopped me from
>>> buying GM before was the cheap FEEL of everything in the passenger
>>> compartment. It was pretty well laid out and felt good.
>>>
>>> Just had to flog the thing to get it to GO! (and even then it was slow).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>>>> news:qga3g.1576$7c.515@trndny01...
>>>>> They did it again! Intervieing a guy at the pumps, complaining about
>>>>> the price of gas...
>>>>>
>>>>> As he's pumping $80 into his Excursion...
>>>>>
>>>>> Man, get a Toyota if you're going to biotch! Either that, or STFU and
>>>>> pump the gas!
>>>>> We still have it easier than 75% of the world on fuel costs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]

Really, are you on drugs? The TOP of the lime HHR FWD starts at $16,325 has
a 2.2, 4cl @ 143 HP. A BOTTOM of the line Highlander FWD starts at $33, 030
has a 2.4, 4cl and only 12 more HP @ 155. Talk about over priced, Toyotas.
$16,700 will buy all of ones fuel for the HHR for over ten years

The Escape is a better buy. TOP of the line FWD starts at $24,900 and has a
200 Hp V6 and automatic. Talk about over priced Toyotas. $10,500 will buy
all of the gas for the V6 Escape for ten years as well The 2.3 153 Hp 4cy
with an automatic is only $23, 400. LOL


mike hunt


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:F7b3g.799$Ne.622@trndny02...[color=blue]
>
> "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:F_adnfnreqEModDZUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=green]
>> Really? One not need to pay a premium price to buy a Toyota to get
>> decent fuel mileage. Toyota has nine models that get 30 MPG or more, GM
>> sells 14 that get 30 MPG or more. GM even has two V8 models, with and
>> EPA rating of over 30 miles per gallon. You need not settle for an
>> underpowered Toyota 4 cy or even a V6 to get good fuel mileage. ;)
>>
>>
>> mike hunt[/color]
>
> Have you driven an HHR yet, and then compared it to a Highlander? They
> both get about the same economy, they both are very similar and have 4 cyl
> engines; the Highlander is AWD.
>
> And can also get out of it's own way![/color]

I guess you mean the Ford engineers that developed the Mazda engines. Very
few Mazda engines can be found in Fords. Mazda engines like most Japanese
engines rely on high RPMs to developed their HP.. Great for cars with manual
trannys but piss poor for the automatics that Americans prefer. Ford
engines develop their HP at lower RPMs, as much as 2500 RPMs lower.. That
gets the HP and torque curve closer together and produces a must better
performance combination. Just about every Ford V10, V8 and V6 came out of
the modular program. The latest being the 3v V8 engines The 3v 4.5L V8
produces 300 HP and 300 FPT all within 1,000 RPMs and it runs on 87 octane
and get 25 MPG. The newest engines that will hit the market were a
collaboration with Ford US and the Ford engineers at Volvo. The new all
aluminum 3.5 V6 and the 4.4 V8s are two that come to mind.


mike hunt


"Moonbat" <Luna@tic.com> wrote in message
news:g%c3g.1594$7c.1134@trndny01...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:09:19 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Where do you get the idea Ford engines are behind in engine development?
>> Ford engines are state of the art and have been for ten years or more.[/color]
>
> You mean the ones developed with the engineers from Mazda?
>[color=green]
>> GM
>> and Chrysler are the only manufacture building multi-stage engines that
>> can
>> operate on half the cylinders when needed to save fuel.
>>
>>
>> mike hunt[/color][/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:vT2dnWVTs9rI_tDZUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Really, are you on drugs? The TOP of the lime HHR FWD starts at $16,325[/color]
has[color=blue]
> a 2.2, 4cl @ 143 HP. A BOTTOM of the line Highlander FWD starts at $33,[/color]
030[color=blue]
> has a 2.4, 4cl and only 12 more HP @ 155. Talk about over priced,[/color]
Toyotas.[color=blue]
> $16,700 will buy all of ones fuel for the HHR for over ten years
>[/color]

You're closer than you usually are, but you're still wrong.

Highlanders start at about $24K, list. For that, you get a 2.4L engine that
packs a surprising wallop on the low end. For $33K, you get a Highlander
with an astonishingly powerful V6, seats for 7 or 8, AWD and all the
options. So, for $24K, you can get the "economical" Highlander that will
look good and run well for many years.

Yep, the HHR tops at $16K and change - before any options.

And, if you decide to change cars in a few years, you'll be able to find a
buyer for the Highlander. With the HHR's "love it or hate it" retro look,
you're going to have a tough time getting a good price for it.
[color=blue]
> The Escape is a better buy. TOP of the line FWD starts at $24,900 and has[/color]
a[color=blue]
> 200 Hp V6 and automatic. Talk about over priced Toyotas. $10,500 will[/color]
buy[color=blue]
> all of the gas for the V6 Escape for ten years as well The 2.3 153 Hp[/color]
4cy[color=blue]
> with an automatic is only $23, 400. LOL
>
> mike hunt[/color]

Do I get the storied Ford reliability included in that price? Everybody
thinks my Ford stories are the greatest. Painful, but funny if you didn't
have to pay for it.
[color=blue]
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
> news:F7b3g.799$Ne.622@trndny02...[color=green]
> >
> > "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> > news:F_adnfnreqEModDZUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=darkred]
> >> Really? One not need to pay a premium price to buy a Toyota to get
> >> decent fuel mileage. Toyota has nine models that get 30 MPG or more,[/color][/color][/color]
GM[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> sells 14 that get 30 MPG or more. GM even has two V8 models, with and
> >> EPA rating of over 30 miles per gallon. You need not settle for an
> >> underpowered Toyota 4 cy or even a V6 to get good fuel mileage. ;)
> >>
> >>
> >> mike hunt[/color]
> >
> > Have you driven an HHR yet, and then compared it to a Highlander? They
> > both get about the same economy, they both are very similar and have 4[/color][/color]
cyl[color=blue][color=green]
> > engines; the Highlander is AWD.
> >
> > And can also get out of it's own way![/color]
>
>[/color]



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Top-posting troll Mike Hunter wrote:
[color=blue]
>GM
>and Chrysler are the only manufacture building multi-stage engines that can
>operate on half the cylinders when needed to save fuel.[/color]

Wrong, as usual. Mercedes also does this.

Top-posting idiot Mike Hunter wrote:
[color=blue]
>GM still sells more than twice as many vehicles in the US than does Toyota[/color]

How many more times the vehicles does Toyota sell in the rest of the
world, where GM does not have the "home field advantage"? LOL

[color=blue]
>"Dan J.S." <smeski@gmail.com> wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> This is exactly why GM is doing so great! and Toyota is almost bankrupt...
>> oh wait....[/color][/color]