On Thu, 04 May 2006 02:59:23 GMT, "C. E. White"
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>> On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:05:35 -0400, trainfan1
>> <lmsearing@usdatanet.net> wrote:[/color]
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>> The problems, while upsetting to a long-time Toyota owner, are
>> significantly less serious than the average from GM, Chrysler, and
>> Ford.And from my experience with Toyota, the problems WILL be fixed,
>> both on the production line, and at the dealership.[/color]
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>And you are basing this opinion on? I think this is the thing that bothers
>me most about Toyota owners. It seems that no matter how crappy their Toyota
>is, they claim everything else is worse. I suppose you have to do that if
>you pay two or three thousand more for a boring third rate design.
>
>Ed
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I base it on spending 10 of the last 38 years working on Toyotas,
having also owned a few, and having worked on and owned a LOT of
non-toyotas in the other 28.
Are Toyotas perfect? Nope - first to admit that - but a lot less
trouble than the Fords, GMs and Chryslers I've owned (and currently
own) And unlike GM, it doesn't take Toyota 20 years to repair a
problem at the manufacturing level like GM and Ford with their leaky
intakes, bad trannies, etc.
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On Thu, 4 May 2006 08:57:41 -0400, "C. E. White"
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>"High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>> Pay no attention to "Ed White". He owned one Toyota in the early 80s that
>> turned out to be a rare lemon and still thinks that Toyota overall is no
>> better than other makers for reliability. He refuses to believe surveys[/color]
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>> Consumer Reports, JD Power, etc. because they don't agree with his own
>> opinions, claiming they are nothing more than popularity contests. But[/color]
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>> he has never presented any solid, unbiased evidence to the contrary other
>> than his own limited anecdotal evidence.[/color]
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>Toyotas are nothing special in the JD Powers rating, yet Toyota owners
>constantly cite this as proof of Toyota superiority. You need to actually
>read the stuff you are citing. For instance, in the 2005 Initial Quality
>Study, Toyotas had 105 problems per 100 vehicles. Buicks only had 100. The
>industry average was 118. In the 2005 Vehicle Dependability Study, Toyotas
>had 194 problems per 100 vehicles, Bucks only 163. The industry average was
>237. If you put so much faith in JD Powers results, you should be buying a
>Buick. I put no faith in Consumer Reports rankings. Their methodology is
>non-scientific. In recent years they have cleaned up the result to remove
>really horrible inconsistencies (like Buicks scoring much better than
>Oldsmobiles), however it is still a flawed survey. I just filled out my 2006
>CR Survey. The amount of information they collected is insufficient to prove
>anything. Given the attitude of most Toyota owners it is not surprising that
>they do well in the Consumer Reports popularity survey.
>
>Ed
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What are you smoking? Whatever it is, it has apparently killed too
many of your brain cells.
How is this screwing Toyota owners?
1. To me, it's good business. They have 90 out of 5800 vehicles
reporting problems. That's about 2%. How many people get recall
notices, never do anything, and never have problems? This isn't
something that would strand you or cause harm. You can drive the car
still and probably pretty well.
2. Toyota is known for its quality. This is not a common problem.
American manufacturers use lesser quality, then pay millions on the
backend trying to fix it all.
BTW, I own a Ford product, but I think this is smart business.
baldguy13
-not adverse to Toyota
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> [url]http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060502/FREE/60501008/1024/LATESTNEWS[/url]
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> Another case of Toyota screwing their owners.
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> Ed[/color]
Everyone here knows my 2001 Avalon was a piece of crap in my opinion.
Notwithstanding, my father's L300 Saturn Wagon was off the charts bad. A 6
cylinder that sucked gas but had no power and incredibly noisy cooling/ac
fans. Horrible steering, and the hood lever felt it would break off in your
hands when you tried to open the hood. I don't believe any Toyota is as
bad as the 2004 L300 Wagon. Unfortunately he needed a small wagon for his
walker and there were few choices on the market.
"C. E. White" <cewhite@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> <clare at snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:05:35 -0400, trainfan1
>> <lmsearing@usdatanet.net> wrote:[/color]
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>> The problems, while upsetting to a long-time Toyota owner, are
>> significantly less serious than the average from GM, Chrysler, and
>> Ford.And from my experience with Toyota, the problems WILL be fixed,
>> both on the production line, and at the dealership.[/color]
>
> And you are basing this opinion on? I think this is the thing that
> bothers
> me most about Toyota owners. It seems that no matter how crappy their
> Toyota
> is, they claim everything else is worse. I suppose you have to do that if
> you pay two or three thousand more for a boring third rate design.
>
> Ed
>
>
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> "Bob H" <dontspam@nospam.org> wrote in message
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>> DON'T FORGET THE INCREDIBLE GM PISTON SLAP ISSUES !!![/color]
>
> Last year I was shopping for a new pick-up. Initially I was primarily
> interested in a Tundra. I liked the size. I test drove three different
> Tundras. All three sounded like rock crushers when they were initially
> started. Two of the salesmen said it was perfectly normal and that they
> all
> did that. The third salesman more or less ignored my question. Now maybe
> the
> noise was not piston slap, but it sure sounded like piston slap, and it
> was
> worse than any GM vehicle I have personal experience with. Now maybe it
> wasn't a problem (it did clear up with in a 20 seconds in all three
> cases),
> but it certainly was not the sort of happy noise that you expect from a
> Toyota (at least based on all the BS you read about Toyotas). I also think
> it is unconscionable that Toyota still requires routine valve inspection /
> adjustment on many of their engines. In the end I bought a Nissan Frontier
> instead of a Toyota. This was primarily due to cost. With similar
> equipment,
> the Nissan was 3k less than a Toyota. So far the Nissan is fine.
>
> Ed
>[/color]
I don't remember my 2001 Avalon requiring valve adjustments. My 83 Tercels
did it but the dealer never did it and performance suffered until I had it
done elsewhere.
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