2003 Camry - Carfax vehicle history - suspicious?

There is no reason to list this vehicle as "dealer vehicle" in auction if
everything is fine. The dealer vehicles usually mean junk in an auction.


<tron9901@msn.com> wrote in message
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> I'm in the chicago area and I'm looking to buy this car from a local
> Chevy dealer:[/color]
[color=blue]
> 5/12/2005
> Mileage: 49,398
> Source: Auto Auction
> Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a dealer
> vehicle.
>[/color]

"PAUL" <PNOASPAMUL@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> There is no reason to list this vehicle as "dealer vehicle" in auction if
> everything is fine. The dealer vehicles usually mean junk in an auction.
>
>[/color]
The vehicle is listed as a "dealer vehicle" at auctions to differentiate
them from fleet buybacks, factory demos and company cars, rental cars, etc.

The fact that a dealer is selling the vehicle at an auction does not usually
mean that it is junk. Dealers usually wholesale junk cars to independent
used car dealers becuse they will get more money from them than at an
auction by avoiding the auction middleman.

Dealers might sell cars at auction because they have too many of a
particular model in their UC inventory, they bought back a bunch of cars
from a fleet customer as part of a buyback program, they didn't have success
in retailing the car themselves after 90 days, or they took a car in trade
that they do not normally have good success at retailing.

--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Great analysis peabrain. Lots of owners in between...just none of them drove
it.

DUHHHH
"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
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>
> <tron9901@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1146849078.200995.224130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> > I'm in the chicago area and I'm looking to buy this car from a local
> > Chevy dealer:
> >
> > 2003 Camry LE Sedan 4 DR
> > 2.4L L4 EFI DOHC 16V
> > Equipment: Standard
> > Mileage: 49,500
> > Asking price: $13K
> >
> > Kelly Blue book (Trade in value - Good condition) is about $11K for my
> > zip code (60004). Cosmetically the car is in excellent condition. The
> > body has no rust, paint is in great shape with no scratches, dents or
> > dings that I can see. The interior is also great, no fading, stains,
> > rips or tears that I can see. It rides great, and I'm going to take it
> > to a mechanic for an inspection.[/color]
>[color=green]
> > The Chevy dealer will sell it to me for $12,300. They gave me a copy of
> > it's Carfax report, and I'm wondering how to decipher it:[/color]
>
> Is the car at Lattof or Hoskins Chev?
>
> My explanations are after the entries below.
>[color=green]
> >
> > 8/25/2003
> > Mileage:
> > Source: NICB
> > Comments: Vehicle manufactured and shipped to original dealer.[/color]
>
> Pretty self-explanatory.
>[color=green]
> >
> > 9/04/2003
> > Mileage: 3
> > Source: Service Facility
> > Comments: Vehicle serviced.[/color]
>
> Sounds like the pre-delivery service.
>[color=green]
> >
> > 9/05/2003
> > Mileage: 3
> > Source: Dealer Inventory Kentucky
> > Comments: Vehicle sold
> >
> > 9/15/2003
> > Mileage: 3
> > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky
> > Comments: Registered as a personal vehicle
> >
> > 9/18/2003
> > Mileage: 11
> > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky
> > Comments: Title or registration issued. First owner reported. Loan or
> > lien reported.[/color]
>
> These 3 entries indicate that the car was sold to a retail or fleet
> customer, registered, and a loan was issued.
>[color=green]
> >
> > 2/25/2005
> > Mileage: 41,328
> > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Cedar Rapids, IA
> > Comments: Title or registration issued.
> >
> > 4/28/2005
> > Mileage: 49,391
> > Source: Auto Auction
> > Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a fleet
> > vehicle.
> >
> > 4/29/2005
> > Mileage: 49,391
> > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Elizabethtown, Kentucky
> > Comments: Title or registration issued. New owner reported.
> >
> > 5/12/2005
> > Mileage: 49,398
> > Source: Auto Auction
> > Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a dealer
> > vehicle.
> >
> > 5/312005
> > Mileage: 49,398
> > Source: Dealer Inventory - Lincolnwood, IL
> > Comments: Vehicle offered for sale[/color]
>
> The car made the round of several auctions before it was sold. My guess[/color]
is[color=blue]
> that it was a fleet or rental car company vehicle that a dealer in
> Lincolnwood eventually retailed as a used vehicle.
>[color=green]
> >
> > 2/24/2006
> > Mileage: 49,398
> > Source: Dealer Inventory - Palatine, IL
> > Comments: Vehicle offered for sale
> >
> > 3/10/2006
> > Mileage: 49,398
> > Source: Illinois Motor Vehicle Dept - Chicago, IL
> > Comments: Title issued or updated. New owner reported.[/color]
>
> Whoever bought the car in Lincolnwood traded it in on something else.
>[color=green]
> >
> > Can anyone summarize this for me? This car has bounced around a few
> > states, has been sold at auction twice, and has been offered for sale
> > twice with some pretty long gaps in between. Any red flags here? Any
> > help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> >
> > - Dave
> >[/color]
>
> the long gaps in between mean are the periods when someone owned the
> vehicle.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
>[/color]

I'm thinking overpriced and under-represented...one of those vehicles in the
"more work than it's worth category for the sales-types. Again, if the
CARFAX is correct, it wasn't a "salesman's demo" 'cause the mileage has been
frozen at 49,39? for the best part of its history.

Too much invested...can't go back on the plan now...unless this thing was in
New Orleans or Bloxi and that's what the auction-types were catching on to,
it almost appears to have been a bad trade by the dealer.

Unless you find something else to make you suspicious, I'd throw a
"reasonable"offer at them based on the current "wholesale" book and include
a deduction for the fact that the deal "somehow" just doesn't feel
comfortable. Take it ... or leave it. It's not like they have had buyers
lined up.
"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
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>
> <tron9901@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1146855469.223469.8170@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> > Ray O wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> <tron9901@msn.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1146849078.200995.224130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > I'm in the chicago area and I'm looking to buy this car from a local
> >> > Chevy dealer:
> >> >
> >> > 2003 Camry LE Sedan 4 DR
> >> > 2.4L L4 EFI DOHC 16V
> >> > Equipment: Standard
> >> > Mileage: 49,500
> >> > Asking price: $13K
> >> >
> >> > Kelly Blue book (Trade in value - Good condition) is about $11K for[/color][/color][/color]
my[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> > zip code (60004). Cosmetically the car is in excellent condition. The
> >> > body has no rust, paint is in great shape with no scratches, dents or
> >> > dings that I can see. The interior is also great, no fading, stains,
> >> > rips or tears that I can see. It rides great, and I'm going to take[/color][/color][/color]
it[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> > to a mechanic for an inspection.
> >>
> >> > The Chevy dealer will sell it to me for $12,300. They gave me a copy[/color][/color][/color]
of[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> > it's Carfax report, and I'm wondering how to decipher it:
> >>
> >> Is the car at Lattof or Hoskins Chev?
> >>
> >> My explanations are after the entries below.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 8/25/2003
> >> > Mileage:
> >> > Source: NICB
> >> > Comments: Vehicle manufactured and shipped to original dealer.
> >>
> >> Pretty self-explanatory.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 9/04/2003
> >> > Mileage: 3
> >> > Source: Service Facility
> >> > Comments: Vehicle serviced.
> >>
> >> Sounds like the pre-delivery service.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 9/05/2003
> >> > Mileage: 3
> >> > Source: Dealer Inventory Kentucky
> >> > Comments: Vehicle sold
> >> >
> >> > 9/15/2003
> >> > Mileage: 3
> >> > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky
> >> > Comments: Registered as a personal vehicle
> >> >
> >> > 9/18/2003
> >> > Mileage: 11
> >> > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky
> >> > Comments: Title or registration issued. First owner reported. Loan[/color][/color][/color]
or[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> > lien reported.
> >>
> >> These 3 entries indicate that the car was sold to a retail or fleet
> >> customer, registered, and a loan was issued.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2/25/2005
> >> > Mileage: 41,328
> >> > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Cedar Rapids, IA
> >> > Comments: Title or registration issued.
> >> >
> >> > 4/28/2005
> >> > Mileage: 49,391
> >> > Source: Auto Auction
> >> > Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a fleet
> >> > vehicle.
> >> >
> >> > 4/29/2005
> >> > Mileage: 49,391
> >> > Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Elizabethtown, Kentucky
> >> > Comments: Title or registration issued. New owner reported.
> >> >
> >> > 5/12/2005
> >> > Mileage: 49,398
> >> > Source: Auto Auction
> >> > Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a dealer
> >> > vehicle.
> >> >
> >> > 5/312005
> >> > Mileage: 49,398
> >> > Source: Dealer Inventory - Lincolnwood, IL
> >> > Comments: Vehicle offered for sale
> >>
> >> The car made the round of several auctions before it was sold. My[/color][/color][/color]
guess[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> is
> >> that it was a fleet or rental car company vehicle that a dealer in
> >> Lincolnwood eventually retailed as a used vehicle.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2/24/2006
> >> > Mileage: 49,398
> >> > Source: Dealer Inventory - Palatine, IL
> >> > Comments: Vehicle offered for sale
> >> >
> >> > 3/10/2006
> >> > Mileage: 49,398
> >> > Source: Illinois Motor Vehicle Dept - Chicago, IL
> >> > Comments: Title issued or updated. New owner reported.
> >>
> >> Whoever bought the car in Lincolnwood traded it in on something else.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Can anyone summarize this for me? This car has bounced around a few
> >> > states, has been sold at auction twice, and has been offered for sale
> >> > twice with some pretty long gaps in between. Any red flags here? Any
> >> > help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > - Dave
> >> >
> >>
> >> the long gaps in between mean are the periods when someone owned the
> >> vehicle.
> >> --
> >>
> >> Ray O
> >> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]
> >
> > Thanks for the detailed reply Ray. It's Grossinger Chev actually.
> >
> > The "long gaps in between" that I'm referring to is when the car
> > apparently sat on one (Lincolnwood) dealer's lot for 8 months
> > (5/31/2005 - 2/24/2006) without being sold, and then another (Palatine)
> > dealer's lot for 2 months (2/24/2006 - Present) until I walked up and
> > test drove it yesterday.
> >
> > I would imagine the Camry, as a pretty popular car, would be fairly
> > easy to sell. Is this normal for a car to sit on a dealer's lot for
> > that long?
> >[/color]
>
> Grossinger has dealerships in Lincolnwood as well as the one you went to,[/color]
so[color=blue]
> I bet the vehicle's movement was from one Grossinger dealership to[/color]
another.[color=blue]
>
> I have no idea why the vehicle sat for such a long time without selling
> without looking at it. Cars sit in used car lots for extended periods
> when they are overpriced; damaged and not repaired; not detailed properly;
> or someone at the dealership was using it for their own use.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
>
>[/color]

RACEGUY wrote:[color=blue]
> Great analysis peabrain. Lots of owners in between...just none of them drove
> it.
>
> DUHHHH
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
> news:4e8c9$445b9d60$44a4a10d$16690@msgid.meganewsservers.com...
>[color=green]
>><tron9901@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:1146849078.200995.224130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>[color=darkred]
>>>I'm in the chicago area and I'm looking to buy this car from a local
>>>Chevy dealer:
>>>
>>>2003 Camry LE Sedan 4 DR
>>>2.4L L4 EFI DOHC 16V
>>>Equipment: Standard
>>>Mileage: 49,500
>>>Asking price: $13K
>>>
>>>Kelly Blue book (Trade in value - Good condition) is about $11K for my
>>>zip code (60004). Cosmetically the car is in excellent condition. The
>>>body has no rust, paint is in great shape with no scratches, dents or
>>>dings that I can see. The interior is also great, no fading, stains,
>>>rips or tears that I can see. It rides great, and I'm going to take it
>>>to a mechanic for an inspection.[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>The Chevy dealer will sell it to me for $12,300. They gave me a copy of
>>>it's Carfax report, and I'm wondering how to decipher it:[/color]
>>
>>Is the car at Lattof or Hoskins Chev?
>>
>>My explanations are after the entries below.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>8/25/2003
>>>Mileage:
>>>Source: NICB
>>>Comments: Vehicle manufactured and shipped to original dealer.[/color]
>>
>>Pretty self-explanatory.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>9/04/2003
>>>Mileage: 3
>>>Source: Service Facility
>>>Comments: Vehicle serviced.[/color]
>>
>>Sounds like the pre-delivery service.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>9/05/2003
>>>Mileage: 3
>>>Source: Dealer Inventory Kentucky
>>>Comments: Vehicle sold
>>>
>>>9/15/2003
>>>Mileage: 3
>>>Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky
>>>Comments: Registered as a personal vehicle
>>>
>>>9/18/2003
>>>Mileage: 11
>>>Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Louisville, Kentucky
>>>Comments: Title or registration issued. First owner reported. Loan or
>>>lien reported.[/color]
>>
>>These 3 entries indicate that the car was sold to a retail or fleet
>>customer, registered, and a loan was issued.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>2/25/2005
>>>Mileage: 41,328
>>>Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Cedar Rapids, IA
>>>Comments: Title or registration issued.
>>>
>>>4/28/2005
>>>Mileage: 49,391
>>>Source: Auto Auction
>>>Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a fleet
>>>vehicle.
>>>
>>>4/29/2005
>>>Mileage: 49,391
>>>Source: Kentucky Motor Vehicle Dept - Elizabethtown, Kentucky
>>>Comments: Title or registration issued. New owner reported.
>>>
>>>5/12/2005
>>>Mileage: 49,398
>>>Source: Auto Auction
>>>Comments: Sold at auction in Southeast Region. Listed as a dealer
>>>vehicle.
>>>
>>>5/312005
>>>Mileage: 49,398
>>>Source: Dealer Inventory - Lincolnwood, IL
>>>Comments: Vehicle offered for sale[/color]
>>
>>The car made the round of several auctions before it was sold. My guess[/color]
>
> is
>[color=green]
>>that it was a fleet or rental car company vehicle that a dealer in
>>Lincolnwood eventually retailed as a used vehicle.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>2/24/2006
>>>Mileage: 49,398
>>>Source: Dealer Inventory - Palatine, IL
>>>Comments: Vehicle offered for sale
>>>
>>>3/10/2006
>>>Mileage: 49,398
>>>Source: Illinois Motor Vehicle Dept - Chicago, IL
>>>Comments: Title issued or updated. New owner reported.[/color]
>>
>>Whoever bought the car in Lincolnwood traded it in on something else.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Can anyone summarize this for me? This car has bounced around a few
>>>states, has been sold at auction twice, and has been offered for sale
>>>twice with some pretty long gaps in between. Any red flags here? Any
>>>help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
>>>- Dave
>>>[/color]
>>
>>the long gaps in between mean are the periods when someone owned the
>>vehicle.
>>--
>>
>>Ray O
>>(correct punctuation to reply)[/color][/color]

The dealer-supplied car-fax reports often do not include info on if a
vehicle has been wrecked or flood damaged, etc. The reports you buy
directly have much more information.

David