toyota downgraded

[url]http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TM&t=5d[/url]

This sucks. My TM has lost a lot of value in the past few days. The
damn analysts are expecting an annual 7 percent growth and don't think
Toyota can achieve that; Toyota says it can.

I think the analysts are lowering the expectations because they see the
new Camry is rather ugly. The front of that car has no chrome on it
and the grille is body colored. It looks cheap to me. Hopefully the
next year's version will get some more shiny stuff on it.

Actually the best selling model year for the Camry was 2004.

mike hunt


"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> [url]http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TM&t=5d[/url]
>
> This sucks. My TM has lost a lot of value in the past few days. The
> damn analysts are expecting an annual 7 percent growth and don't think
> Toyota can achieve that; Toyota says it can.
>
> I think the analysts are lowering the expectations because they see the
> new Camry is rather ugly. The front of that car has no chrome on it
> and the grille is body colored. It looks cheap to me. Hopefully the
> next year's version will get some more shiny stuff on it.[/color]

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0em6ria985ktj002@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> [url]http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TM&t=5d[/url]
>
> This sucks. My TM has lost a lot of value in the past few days. The
> damn analysts are expecting an annual 7 percent growth and don't think
> Toyota can achieve that; Toyota says it can.
>
> I think the analysts are lowering the expectations because they see the
> new Camry is rather ugly. The front of that car has no chrome on it
> and the grille is body colored. It looks cheap to me. Hopefully the
> next year's version will get some more shiny stuff on it.[/color]

But..but...a 'bad' Toyota is still good.

:-)

Natalie

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> writes:
[color=blue]
> I think the analysts are lowering the expectations because
> they see the new Camry is rather ugly. The front of that
> car has no chrome on it and the grille is body colored.[/color]

That was also true of the original Taurus -- and look how well
*it* sold. It seems to me that if people could accept that
sort of look in 1985, they're more than able to accept it now.

[color=blue]
> It looks cheap to me. Hopefully the next year's version will
> get some more shiny stuff on it.[/color]

I believe that the hybrid version is the only one with a chrome
grille for now.

Personally, I like the new Camry a lot; I think it's the nicest-
looking Camry yet. Not that the Camry has ever been all that
exciting in the looks department...



Geoff

--
"After several minutes of utterly dull conversation I began to think
of her not as a woman but as a human, then not as a human but as an
animal, then not as an animal but as a source of high-grade protein."
-- Mark. Gooley

"Geoff Miller" <geoffm@u1.netgate.net> wrote in message
news:e47otv$j7s@u1.netgate.net...[color=blue]
>
>
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> writes:
>[color=green]
>> I think the analysts are lowering the expectations because
>> they see the new Camry is rather ugly. The front of that
>> car has no chrome on it and the grille is body colored.[/color]
>
> That was also true of the original Taurus -- and look how well
> *it* sold. It seems to me that if people could accept that
> sort of look in 1985, they're more than able to accept it now.
>[/color]

My best friend bought the original Escort, and still thinks it's the best
car ever. I understand it sold very well in England, too.[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> It looks cheap to me. Hopefully the next year's version will
>> get some more shiny stuff on it.[/color]
>
> I believe that the hybrid version is the only one with a chrome
> grille for now.[/color]

GAH[color=blue]
>
> Personally, I like the new Camry a lot; I think it's the nicest-
> looking Camry yet. Not that the Camry has ever been all that
> exciting in the looks department...
>
>
>
> Geoff[/color]

We specifically steered away from Camry because they're so damned
ubiquitous. Especially tan and champagne ones. We didn't totally rule it
out, though.

Natalie

In article <e47bg6.1q4.1@news.evilcabal.org>
[email]wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE@yahoo.com[/email] "Wickeddoll®" writes:
[color=blue]
> My best friend bought the original Escort, and still thinks
> it's the best car ever. I understand it sold very well in
> England, too.[/color]

ISTR the same, to the point where for a while "Ford==Escort".

Just wondering: were the various "Escorts" the same? Over the
years, manufacturers have had a sneaky habit of using the same
name for differing designs in different markets. Wasn't Ford's
Fiesta (or maybe the Mondeo, considering that name) their first
"world car" -- ie, "basically one design, everywhere"?
--
Andrew Stephenson

Wickeddoll® <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE@yahoo.com> writes:
[color=blue]
> We specifically steered away from Camry because they're so damned
> ubiquitous. Especially tan and champagne ones.[/color]


Here in the Silicon Valley area, they're overwhelmingly popular
with immigrant Chinese. No idea why. But I'd say that fully
80% of the Camrys I see around here are driven by Chinese, and
have a tasselled ornament hanging from the rearview mirror.

Many of them also have slip-on lace seatcovers and headrest
covers, and a box of Kleenex on the rear shelf. Some, those
driven my women, also often have a white, plush toy dog on
the rear parcel shelf.

This phenemomen is doubly interesting because to Westerners, an
automobile is a vehicle (heh) for expressing one's individuality.
But among Chinese, it seems to be a medium for expressing one's
conformity.



Geoff

--
"After several minutes of utterly dull conversation I began to think
of her not as a woman but as a human, then not as a human but as an
animal, then not as an animal but as a source of high-grade protein."
-- Mark. Gooley

>> It looks cheap to me. Hopefully the next year's version will[color=blue][color=green]
>> get some more shiny stuff on it.[/color]
>
> I believe that the hybrid version is the only one with a chrome
> grille for now.[/color]

I got to see a hybrid Camry in person while at the dealer yesterday. The
mirrors weren't on it yet (appears to come shipped with them off). The
interior had leather and the control knobs were very large (not as techie as
the Prius, for some reason). May be geared to the blue-hairs?

Although the sticker said 34-40 mpg, the fine print said 34-32 mpg. If the
mileage is that much worse in real life, it may be a red herring (it was
metallic red too). Sticker was $27,400.

I was rather disappointed in the mileage claims with the new hybrid Camry as
I was with the measly increase of their Highlander model. The 3-4 mpg gain
doesn't seem worth it unless you're a environmentalist. The Prius, yes, but
their other hybrids so far - for sake of having a "Hybrid Synergy Drive"
label, umm...no thanks.

Hope this all doesn't go the way of the Edsel.

B~

On Sun, 14 May 2006 13:31:49 -0400, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Geoff Miller" <geoffm@u1.netgate.net> wrote in message
>news:e47otv$j7s@u1.netgate.net...[color=green]
>>
>>
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> writes:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I think the analysts are lowering the expectations because
>>> they see the new Camry is rather ugly. The front of that
>>> car has no chrome on it and the grille is body colored.[/color]
>>
>> That was also true of the original Taurus -- and look how well
>> *it* sold. It seems to me that if people could accept that
>> sort of look in 1985, they're more than able to accept it now.
>>[/color]
>
>My best friend bought the original Escort, and still thinks it's the best
>car ever. I understand it sold very well in England, too.[/color]

In the end, it ain't how ugly the damned thing is, it's how reliable
it is... I've seen plenty of Tempos and Tauruses and Escorts running
around. Sure, they look fugly, but the drivers got them cheap and
they still get them from point A to B.


[color=blue][color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> It looks cheap to me. Hopefully the next year's version will
>>> get some more shiny stuff on it.[/color]
>>
>> I believe that the hybrid version is the only one with a chrome
>> grille for now.[/color]
>
>GAH[/color]

Seconded.


(Isn't a Hybrid Hypocritical? Given the nasty-ass batteries those
fucking things carry.... )
[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> Personally, I like the new Camry a lot; I think it's the nicest-
>> looking Camry yet. Not that the Camry has ever been all that
>> exciting in the looks department...
>>
>>
>>
>> Geoff[/color]
>
>We specifically steered away from Camry because they're so damned
>ubiquitous. Especially tan and champagne ones. We didn't totally rule it
>out, though.
>
>Natalie
>[/color]

Yea, you went for the Wrecho... <e,eG>
-LMB

The reason congressmen try so hard to get re-elected is that they
would hate to have to make a living under the laws they've passed.

Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea.

"Andrew Stephenson" <ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1147632351snz@deltrak.demon.co.uk...[color=blue]
> In article <e47bg6.1q4.1@news.evilcabal.org>
> [email]wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE@yahoo.com[/email] "Wickeddoll®" writes:
>[color=green]
>> My best friend bought the original Escort, and still thinks
>> it's the best car ever. I understand it sold very well in
>> England, too.[/color]
>
> ISTR the same, to the point where for a while "Ford==Escort".
>
> Just wondering: were the various "Escorts" the same? Over the
> years, manufacturers have had a sneaky habit of using the same
> name for differing designs in different markets. Wasn't Ford's
> Fiesta (or maybe the Mondeo, considering that name) their first
> "world car" -- ie, "basically one design, everywhere"?
> --
> Andrew Stephenson
>[/color]

Dunno - I never even considered buying any Fords, so I never did any
research on them

Natalie

"Geoff Miller" <geoffm@u1.netgate.net> wrote in message
news:e480d5$nu8@u1.netgate.net...[color=blue]
>
>
> Wickeddoll® <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE@yahoo.com> writes:
>[color=green]
>> We specifically steered away from Camry because they're so damned
>> ubiquitous. Especially tan and champagne ones.[/color]
>
>
> Here in the Silicon Valley area, they're overwhelmingly popular
> with immigrant Chinese. No idea why. But I'd say that fully
> 80% of the Camrys I see around here are driven by Chinese, and
> have a tasselled ornament hanging from the rearview mirror.[/color]

Oh Chinese aren't the only ones with the tassle thing - very big with
Hispanics as well.[color=blue]
>
> Many of them also have slip-on lace seatcovers and headrest
> covers, and a box of Kleenex on the rear shelf. Some, those
> driven my women, also often have a white, plush toy dog on
> the rear parcel shelf.[/color]

How do you manage to see all that? Don't you watch the road? LOL[color=blue]
>
> This phenemomen is doubly interesting because to Westerners, an
> automobile is a vehicle (heh) for expressing one's individuality.
> But among Chinese, it seems to be a medium for expressing one's
> conformity.
>
>
>
> Geoff[/color]

Again, they're not the only ones. The bubbas here have a lot of trademark
things, like 'nut sacks' hanging from their trailer hitches.

Natalie

"Louis M. Brown" <phyphor@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 May 2006 13:31:49 -0400, "Wickeddoll®"
> <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>"Geoff Miller" <geoffm@u1.netgate.net> wrote in message
>>news:e47otv$j7s@u1.netgate.net...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>
>>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> I think the analysts are lowering the expectations because
>>>> they see the new Camry is rather ugly. The front of that
>>>> car has no chrome on it and the grille is body colored.
>>>
>>> That was also true of the original Taurus -- and look how well
>>> *it* sold. It seems to me that if people could accept that
>>> sort of look in 1985, they're more than able to accept it now.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>My best friend bought the original Escort, and still thinks it's the best
>>car ever. I understand it sold very well in England, too.[/color]
>
> In the end, it ain't how ugly the damned thing is, it's how reliable
> it is... I've seen plenty of Tempos and Tauruses and Escorts running
> around. Sure, they look fugly, but the drivers got them cheap and
> they still get them from point A to B.
>
>[/color]
I require a little more than that from my car - like handling, reliability,
etc.[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>>> It looks cheap to me. Hopefully the next year's version will
>>>> get some more shiny stuff on it.
>>>
>>> I believe that the hybrid version is the only one with a chrome
>>> grille for now.[/color]
>>
>>GAH[/color]
>
> Seconded.
>
>
> (Isn't a Hybrid Hypocritical? Given the nasty-ass batteries those
> fucking things carry.... )
>[/color]

That would be one of the bugs that keep me from considering one, also the
ridiculous prices.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Personally, I like the new Camry a lot; I think it's the nicest-
>>> looking Camry yet. Not that the Camry has ever been all that
>>> exciting in the looks department...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Geoff[/color]
>>
>>We specifically steered away from Camry because they're so damned
>>ubiquitous. Especially tan and champagne ones. We didn't totally rule
>>it
>>out, though.
>>
>>Natalie
>>[/color]
>
> Yea, you went for the Wrecho... <e,eG>
> -LMB[/color]

*fwapping the Ford Comet-boy*

Natalie

I have an 02 Highlander and because most driving is around town I get
about 18 MPG. If I went the hybrid route, and got 15% better mileage
I'd save about $400/year - that would make the pay back for the option
one hell of a long time. Even at 25% increase the cost isn't worth it
to be "green" on a $ basis.

Ron

"ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]> wrote in message
news:ITP9g.27024$4L1.10630@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...[color=blue]
>I have an 02 Highlander and because most driving is around town I get
>about 18 MPG. If I went the hybrid route, and got 15% better mileage I'd
>save about $400/year - that would make the pay back for the option one
>hell of a long time. Even at 25% increase the cost isn't worth it to be
>"green" on a $ basis.
>
> Ron[/color]

My thought exactly.

Natalie

On Sun, 14 May 2006 20:04:05 -0400, "Wickeddoll®"
<wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Louis M. Brown" <phyphor@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>news:pudf62lc2o5ue26hne1924mnr8hc5gokps@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Sun, 14 May 2006 13:31:49 -0400, "Wickeddoll®"
>> <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>"Geoff Miller" <geoffm@u1.netgate.net> wrote in message
>>>news:e47otv$j7s@u1.netgate.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the analysts are lowering the expectations because
>>>>> they see the new Camry is rather ugly. The front of that
>>>>> car has no chrome on it and the grille is body colored.
>>>>
>>>> That was also true of the original Taurus -- and look how well
>>>> *it* sold. It seems to me that if people could accept that
>>>> sort of look in 1985, they're more than able to accept it now.
>>>>
>>>
>>>My best friend bought the original Escort, and still thinks it's the best
>>>car ever. I understand it sold very well in England, too.[/color]
>>
>> In the end, it ain't how ugly the damned thing is, it's how reliable
>> it is... I've seen plenty of Tempos and Tauruses and Escorts running
>> around. Sure, they look fugly, but the drivers got them cheap and
>> they still get them from point A to B.
>>
>>[/color]
>I require a little more than that from my car - like handling, reliability,
>etc.[color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>
>>>>> It looks cheap to me. Hopefully the next year's version will
>>>>> get some more shiny stuff on it.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that the hybrid version is the only one with a chrome
>>>> grille for now.
>>>
>>>GAH[/color]
>>
>> Seconded.
>>
>>
>> (Isn't a Hybrid Hypocritical? Given the nasty-ass batteries those
>> fucking things carry.... )
>>[/color]
>
>That would be one of the bugs that keep me from considering one, also the
>ridiculous prices.[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I like the new Camry a lot; I think it's the nicest-
>>>> looking Camry yet. Not that the Camry has ever been all that
>>>> exciting in the looks department...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>We specifically steered away from Camry because they're so damned
>>>ubiquitous. Especially tan and champagne ones. We didn't totally rule
>>>it
>>>out, though.
>>>
>>>Natalie
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Yea, you went for the Wrecho... <e,eG>
>> -LMB[/color]
>
>*fwapping the Ford Comet-boy*
>
>Natalie
>[/color]


Mercury!!! GODDAMNIT, Mercury! :P


-LMB


The reason congressmen try so hard to get re-elected is that they
would hate to have to make a living under the laws they've passed.

Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea.