water as fuel

[url]http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv[/url]

This should be Toyota's next big project.

At the supermarket, the better tasting waters cost almost as much as gas. :)


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>
> This should be Toyota's next big project.[/color]

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>
> This should be Toyota's next big project.[/color]

This is what happens when news reporters and producers graduate from
colleges that don't require their students to learn physics and chemistry.



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Art, 5/15/2006, 10:10:24 AM,
<kZ%9g.807$921.73@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> At the supermarket, the better tasting waters cost almost as much as
> gas. :)[/color]

If you're buying water at the supermarket you are definitely throwing
your money away. That's the biggest racket I've ever seen. Even the
designer spring waters are shown to be worse than plain tap water in
most cases. Did you know EVIAN spelled backwards is NAIVE?

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0em96344f641y001@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> Art, 5/15/2006, 10:10:24 AM,
> <kZ%9g.807$921.73@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> At the supermarket, the better tasting waters cost almost as much as
>> gas. :)[/color]
>
> If you're buying water at the supermarket you are definitely throwing
> your money away. That's the biggest racket I've ever seen. Even the
> designer spring waters are shown to be worse than plain tap water in
> most cases. Did you know EVIAN spelled backwards is NAIVE?[/color]

I have a service deliver bottled water from Hinckley springs. Where I live,
the water is pumped from the ground and is very hard. Sometimes has a sulfur
like scent. Some of us dont have a choice but to buy drinking water.

DH, 5/15/2006, 10:35:55 AM,
<44688454$0$29368$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0em93rd4by257000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
> > [url]http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv[/url]
> >
> > This should be Toyota's next big project.[/color]
>
> This is what happens when news reporters and producers graduate from
> colleges that don't require their students to learn physics and
> chemistry.[/color]

What are you saying? Do you think this a farce?

"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:xn0em98v64iwjc4003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=blue]
> DH, 5/15/2006, 10:35:55 AM,
> <44688454$0$29368$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:xn0em93rd4by257000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=darkred]
> > > [url]http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv[/url]
> > >
> > > This should be Toyota's next big project.[/color]
> >
> > This is what happens when news reporters and producers graduate from
> > colleges that don't require their students to learn physics and
> > chemistry.[/color]
>
> What are you saying? Do you think this a farce?[/color]

Or a con. If the reporter understood physics and chemistry, he's surely
have had many more questions about this story.

First, this HHO gas is just mixed H2 and O2. It can't be kept in bulk,
because it's inherently combustible. It's like a fuel-air mixture; just
waiting for a spark.

Second, making HHO gas costs energy. No getting around it. "Electrolysis"
is where you put energy into water to separate H2O into H2 and O2. Nothing
mysterious about it.

You can not tear water apart and then put it together again, the same way,
without some energy loss. Period.

Question: Why is "Danny Klein" driving a "hybrid" Water/Gas vehicle? Why
doesn't he just run it off water?

Answer: Because it wouldn't move.



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"Dan J.S." <smeski@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:126h9dj8gmvbv18@news.supernews.com...[color=blue]
> I have a service deliver bottled water from Hinckley springs. Where I
> live, the water is pumped from the ground and is very hard. Sometimes has
> a sulfur like scent. Some of us dont have a choice but to buy drinking
> water.
>[/color]

You can buy a whole house filtration system which will filter sand, sediment
and iron (depending on the filter you choose for the unit) for less than $50
from Home Depot. Made by GE. For the faucet you can then add a separate
more refine filter that will remove more heavy metals and chlorine and
sulfur. I installed this particular unit for my son in New Hampshire. The
filter is good for 5000 gallons or three months. It's a heck of a lot
cheaper than bottled spring water. Definitely don't use distilled water for
drinking. It doesn't have the necessary electrolytes and/or minerals, and
is very corrosive to your body system.

mark_

Actually my refrigerator has a filter to remove chlorine taste and othe
containements. Lasts 1 year for $40.


"Dan J.S." <smeski@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0em96344f641y001@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
>> Art, 5/15/2006, 10:10:24 AM,
>> <kZ%9g.807$921.73@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> At the supermarket, the better tasting waters cost almost as much as
>>> gas. :)[/color]
>>
>> If you're buying water at the supermarket you are definitely throwing
>> your money away. That's the biggest racket I've ever seen. Even the
>> designer spring waters are shown to be worse than plain tap water in
>> most cases. Did you know EVIAN spelled backwards is NAIVE?[/color]
>
> I have a service deliver bottled water from Hinckley springs. Where I
> live, the water is pumped from the ground and is very hard. Sometimes has
> a sulfur like scent. Some of us dont have a choice but to buy drinking
> water.
>[/color]

When I had a well in my previous house I have a sediment filter unit that
attached the 2 filters vertically. It made a lot of sense because pressure
was sufficient in the house until the unit was 3/4 full of sand. But now I
don't see units made like that so you can't get extra mileage out of
filters.


"mark_digital©" <xxx976@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:EoadnZYUvtOsWPXZRVn-sg@comcast.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Dan J.S." <smeski@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:126h9dj8gmvbv18@news.supernews.com...[color=green]
>> I have a service deliver bottled water from Hinckley springs. Where I
>> live, the water is pumped from the ground and is very hard. Sometimes has
>> a sulfur like scent. Some of us dont have a choice but to buy drinking
>> water.
>>[/color]
>
> You can buy a whole house filtration system which will filter sand,
> sediment and iron (depending on the filter you choose for the unit) for
> less than $50 from Home Depot. Made by GE. For the faucet you can then
> add a separate more refine filter that will remove more heavy metals and
> chlorine and sulfur. I installed this particular unit for my son in New
> Hampshire. The filter is good for 5000 gallons or three months. It's a
> heck of a lot cheaper than bottled spring water. Definitely don't use
> distilled water for drinking. It doesn't have the necessary electrolytes
> and/or minerals, and is very corrosive to your body system.
>
> mark_[/color]

By the way, Bush hydrogen energy is a farce too. That's all we all
need...... driving around with explosive gas in our tank. If you thought
gasoline was dangerous, fillerup with hydrogen!

A noble prize scientist is advocating methanol as the way to go.


"DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
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> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0em98v64iwjc4003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
>> DH, 5/15/2006, 10:35:55 AM,
>> <44688454$0$29368$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:xn0em93rd4by257000@news.readfreenews.net...
>> > > [url]http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv[/url]
>> > >
>> > > This should be Toyota's next big project.
>> >
>> > This is what happens when news reporters and producers graduate from
>> > colleges that don't require their students to learn physics and
>> > chemistry.[/color]
>>
>> What are you saying? Do you think this a farce?[/color]
>
> Or a con. If the reporter understood physics and chemistry, he's surely
> have had many more questions about this story.
>
> First, this HHO gas is just mixed H2 and O2. It can't be kept in bulk,
> because it's inherently combustible. It's like a fuel-air mixture; just
> waiting for a spark.
>
> Second, making HHO gas costs energy. No getting around it.
> "Electrolysis"
> is where you put energy into water to separate H2O into H2 and O2.
> Nothing
> mysterious about it.
>
> You can not tear water apart and then put it together again, the same way,
> without some energy loss. Period.
>
> Question: Why is "Danny Klein" driving a "hybrid" Water/Gas vehicle? Why
> doesn't he just run it off water?
>
> Answer: Because it wouldn't move.
>
>
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from [url]http://www.teranews.com[/url] ***[/color]

In article <qk4ag.2808$y4.2512@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> By the way, Bush hydrogen energy is a farce too. That's all we all
> need...... driving around with explosive gas in our tank. If you thought
> gasoline was dangerous, fillerup with hydrogen!
>
> A noble prize scientist is advocating methanol as the way to go.[/color]

Christ sake art this was bantered about during the clintoon regime.
This is not a GWB idea. Why don't you get off your hate trip.


[color=blue]
>
>
> "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
> news:4468a2c7$0$29348$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...[color=green]
> > "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:xn0em98v64iwjc4003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=darkred]
> >> DH, 5/15/2006, 10:35:55 AM,
> >> <44688454$0$29368$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:xn0em93rd4by257000@news.readfreenews.net...
> >> > > [url]http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv[/url]
> >> > >
> >> > > This should be Toyota's next big project.
> >> >
> >> > This is what happens when news reporters and producers graduate from
> >> > colleges that don't require their students to learn physics and
> >> > chemistry.
> >>
> >> What are you saying? Do you think this a farce?[/color]
> >
> > Or a con. If the reporter understood physics and chemistry, he's surely
> > have had many more questions about this story.
> >
> > First, this HHO gas is just mixed H2 and O2. It can't be kept in bulk,
> > because it's inherently combustible. It's like a fuel-air mixture; just
> > waiting for a spark.
> >
> > Second, making HHO gas costs energy. No getting around it.
> > "Electrolysis"
> > is where you put energy into water to separate H2O into H2 and O2.
> > Nothing
> > mysterious about it.
> >
> > You can not tear water apart and then put it together again, the same way,
> > without some energy loss. Period.
> >
> > Question: Why is "Danny Klein" driving a "hybrid" Water/Gas vehicle? Why
> > doesn't he just run it off water?
> >
> > Answer: Because it wouldn't move.
> >
> >
> >
> > *** Posted via a free Usenet account from [url]http://www.teranews.com[/url] ***[/color][/color]
--
"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through
our papers. We are the president."
--Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of
subpoenaed documents.

In article <xn0em98v64iwjc4003@news.readfreenews.net>,
"badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> DH, 5/15/2006, 10:35:55 AM,
> <44688454$0$29368$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:xn0em93rd4by257000@news.readfreenews.net...[color=darkred]
> > > [url]http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv[/url]
> > >
> > > This should be Toyota's next big project.[/color]
> >
> > This is what happens when news reporters and producers graduate from
> > colleges that don't require their students to learn physics and
> > chemistry.[/color]
>
> What are you saying? Do you think this a farce?[/color]

It was on Fox News, what more proof do you need that it is a fraud?

Merritt

In article <4468a2c7$0$29348$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
"DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0em98v64iwjc4003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=green]
> > DH, 5/15/2006, 10:35:55 AM,
> > <44688454$0$29368$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xn0em93rd4by257000@news.readfreenews.net...
> > > > [url]http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv[/url]
> > > >
> > > > This should be Toyota's next big project.
> > >
> > > This is what happens when news reporters and producers graduate from
> > > colleges that don't require their students to learn physics and
> > > chemistry.[/color]
> >
> > What are you saying? Do you think this a farce?[/color]
>
> Or a con. If the reporter understood physics and chemistry, he's surely
> have had many more questions about this story.
>
> First, this HHO gas is just mixed H2 and O2. It can't be kept in bulk,
> because it's inherently combustible. It's like a fuel-air mixture; just
> waiting for a spark.[/color]

And since O2 is abundant in the atmosphere, it is unnecessary to carry it
around in a tank anyway. You carry the H2 and use the O2 in the air, just
like any "conventional" hydrogen engine.
[color=blue]
> Second, making HHO gas costs energy. No getting around it. "Electrolysis"
> is where you put energy into water to separate H2O into H2 and O2. Nothing
> mysterious about it.[/color]

And that is where the fuel is consumed. Water is not a fuel, but some
fuel (energy source) must be provided to do the electrolysis. The video
conveniently does not mention that.

Merritt

On Tue, 16 May 2006 05:00:33 GMT, Merritt Mullen
<mmullen8014@mchsi.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <4468a2c7$0$29348$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
> "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:xn0em98v64iwjc4003@news.readfreenews.net...[color=darkred]
>> > DH, 5/15/2006, 10:35:55 AM,
>> > <44688454$0$29368$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:xn0em93rd4by257000@news.readfreenews.net...
>> > > > [url]http://www.rratch.com/Misc/WaterFuel/WaterFuel.wmv[/url]
>> > > >
>> > > > This should be Toyota's next big project.
>> > >
>> > > This is what happens when news reporters and producers graduate from
>> > > colleges that don't require their students to learn physics and
>> > > chemistry.
>> >
>> > What are you saying? Do you think this a farce?[/color]
>>
>> Or a con. If the reporter understood physics and chemistry, he's surely
>> have had many more questions about this story.
>>
>> First, this HHO gas is just mixed H2 and O2. It can't be kept in bulk,
>> because it's inherently combustible. It's like a fuel-air mixture; just
>> waiting for a spark.[/color]
>
>And since O2 is abundant in the atmosphere, it is unnecessary to carry it
>around in a tank anyway. You carry the H2 and use the O2 in the air, just
>like any "conventional" hydrogen engine.
>[color=green]
>> Second, making HHO gas costs energy. No getting around it. "Electrolysis"
>> is where you put energy into water to separate H2O into H2 and O2. Nothing
>> mysterious about it.[/color]
>
>And that is where the fuel is consumed. Water is not a fuel, but some
>fuel (energy source) must be provided to do the electrolysis. The video
>conveniently does not mention that.
>
>Merritt[/color]
Water is an ash! Water is the result of burning hydrogen & oxygen.
Electrolysis is not cost effective. The cheap way would remove the
hydrogen from fossil fuels. This would release the attached carbon
atoms as carbon dioxide, CO2, defeating the whole concept of using
hydrogen in the first place. This completely ignores the fact that
hydrogen, the smallest atom, will leak though anything! Why do you
think they wait until the last minuet to fuel the space shuttle?
We are a long way from using hydrogen as a vehicle fuel. We would do
better with LPG/Hybrids.
doc