Toyota Yaris?

Anyone have one? I'm looking for a subcompact. I Looked at the Chevy Aveo.
Can't belive it (aveo) only gets 34mph hwy, though.
What mpg are you getting? Any haggle room or are they still rare on the
lots? How do you like it so far?
Thanks!

"SimonLW" <nospam@donet.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone have one? I'm looking for a subcompact. I Looked at the Chevy Aveo.
> Can't belive it (aveo) only gets 34mph hwy, though.
> What mpg are you getting? Any haggle room or are they still rare on the
> lots? How do you like it so far?
> Thanks!
>[/color]

See: Tercel; Echo
Basically the same car.
What I can't figure is, why they would put a $1600 paint job on an
entry-level car?

Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> "SimonLW" <nospam@donet.com> wrote in message
> news:446c9c60$1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net...[color=green]
> > Anyone have one? I'm looking for a subcompact. I Looked at the Chevy Aveo.
> > Can't belive it (aveo) only gets 34mph hwy, though.
> > What mpg are you getting? Any haggle room or are they still rare on the
> > lots? How do you like it so far?
> > Thanks!
> >[/color]
>
> See: Tercel; Echo
> Basically the same car.
> What I can't figure is, why they would put a $1600 paint job on an
> entry-level car?[/color]

The Echo has a different engine than the Tercel. It has the variable
valve 1.5 VVTI and about 13 more HP. I do believe this is the same
engine in the Yaris.

I would assume :) that the Yaris is pretty comparable to the Echo in
mpg. I get a pretty consistent 34 in city and the few times I drove it
enough on the freeway I calculated 45.

ToMh wrote:
[color=blue]
> The Echo has a different engine than the Tercel. It has the variable
> valve 1.5 VVTI and about 13 more HP. I do believe this is the same
> engine in the Yaris.
>
> I would assume :) that the Yaris is pretty comparable to the Echo in
> mpg. I get a pretty consistent 34 in city and the few times I drove it
> enough on the freeway I calculated 45.[/color]

How well does your Yaris ride? Consumer Reports said that the Scion Xa
had a choppy ride but that the Echo had a comfortable one, and I was
able to confirm this.

larry moe 'n curly wrote:[color=blue]
> ToMh wrote:
>[color=green]
> > The Echo has a different engine than the Tercel. It has the variable
> > valve 1.5 VVTI and about 13 more HP. I do believe this is the same
> > engine in the Yaris.
> >
> > I would assume :) that the Yaris is pretty comparable to the Echo in
> > mpg. I get a pretty consistent 34 in city and the few times I drove it
> > enough on the freeway I calculated 45.[/color]
>
> How well does your Yaris ride? Consumer Reports said that the Scion Xa
> had a choppy ride but that the Echo had a comfortable one, and I was
> able to confirm this.[/color]

I don't have a Yaris, I have a 2000 Echo. My Echo rides great. It's
very comfortable for a compact. I mostly use it for commuting, but have
driven it on a couple 4 hour Highway trips, and it didn't do too bad,
but it's problems aren't so much a comfort issue as it is light and
easily blown around by gusts of wind and Large Semi's, so I don't
recommend it for anything but occasional Freeway use, but for around
town it's been a great little car. I think the Yaris and the Scion both
addresed this problem by widening the wheel base and making the car a
little lower.

ToMh wrote:
[color=blue]
> larry moe 'n curly wrote:[color=green]
>> ToMh wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > The Echo has a different engine than the Tercel. It has the variable
>> > valve 1.5 VVTI and about 13 more HP. I do believe this is the same
>> > engine in the Yaris.
>> >
>> > I would assume :) that the Yaris is pretty comparable to the Echo in
>> > mpg. I get a pretty consistent 34 in city and the few times I drove it
>> > enough on the freeway I calculated 45.[/color]
>>
>> How well does your Yaris ride? Consumer Reports said that the Scion Xa
>> had a choppy ride but that the Echo had a comfortable one, and I was
>> able to confirm this.[/color]
>
> I don't have a Yaris, I have a 2000 Echo. My Echo rides great. It's
> very comfortable for a compact. I mostly use it for commuting, but have
> driven it on a couple 4 hour Highway trips, and it didn't do too bad,
> but it's problems aren't so much a comfort issue as it is light and
> easily blown around by gusts of wind and Large Semi's, so I don't
> recommend it for anything but occasional Freeway use, but for around
> town it's been a great little car. I think the Yaris and the Scion both
> addresed this problem by widening the wheel base and making the car a
> little lower.[/color]

Just purchased a yaris 4 dr. Ride is bit boring. Fine at 70 on the highway.
looks good, interior is nice.

one day old. here are my gripes.

automatic is fine but boring. I hate the shift level should have left it
with a button to push.
speedometer makes it hard to see when you're drive a 5 number 35,45,55

Will have to upgrade the stereo. Not powerful enough.
Needs power locks.

Feels like the quality of the car is top notch.

I paid $13,900 for it

"ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1147998663.776902.113930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> larry moe 'n curly wrote:[color=green]
>> ToMh wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > The Echo has a different engine than the Tercel. It has the variable
>> > valve 1.5 VVTI and about 13 more HP. I do believe this is the same
>> > engine in the Yaris.
>> >
>> > I would assume :) that the Yaris is pretty comparable to the Echo in
>> > mpg. I get a pretty consistent 34 in city and the few times I drove it
>> > enough on the freeway I calculated 45.[/color]
>>
>> How well does your Yaris ride? Consumer Reports said that the Scion Xa
>> had a choppy ride but that the Echo had a comfortable one, and I was
>> able to confirm this.[/color]
>
> I don't have a Yaris, I have a 2000 Echo. My Echo rides great. It's
> very comfortable for a compact. I mostly use it for commuting, but have
> driven it on a couple 4 hour Highway trips, and it didn't do too bad,
> but it's problems aren't so much a comfort issue as it is light and
> easily blown around by gusts of wind and Large Semi's, so I don't
> recommend it for anything but occasional Freeway use, but for around
> town it's been a great little car. I think the Yaris and the Scion both
> addresed this problem by widening the wheel base and making the car a
> little lower.
>[/color]
At the risk of sounding pedantic...
I believe the Echo is a subcompact. Wheelbase refers to the distance
between the front and rear wheels. Track refers to the distance between the
left and right wheels.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
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>
> "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1147998663.776902.113930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> larry moe 'n curly wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> ToMh wrote:
>>>
>>> > The Echo has a different engine than the Tercel. It has the variable
>>> > valve 1.5 VVTI and about 13 more HP. I do believe this is the same
>>> > engine in the Yaris.
>>> >
>>> > I would assume :) that the Yaris is pretty comparable to the Echo in
>>> > mpg. I get a pretty consistent 34 in city and the few times I drove it
>>> > enough on the freeway I calculated 45.
>>>
>>> How well does your Yaris ride? Consumer Reports said that the Scion Xa
>>> had a choppy ride but that the Echo had a comfortable one, and I was
>>> able to confirm this.[/color]
>>
>> I don't have a Yaris, I have a 2000 Echo. My Echo rides great. It's
>> very comfortable for a compact. I mostly use it for commuting, but have
>> driven it on a couple 4 hour Highway trips, and it didn't do too bad,
>> but it's problems aren't so much a comfort issue as it is light and
>> easily blown around by gusts of wind and Large Semi's, so I don't
>> recommend it for anything but occasional Freeway use, but for around
>> town it's been a great little car. I think the Yaris and the Scion both
>> addresed this problem by widening the wheel base and making the car a
>> little lower.
>>[/color]
> At the risk of sounding pedantic...
> I believe the Echo is a subcompact. Wheelbase refers to the distance
> between the front and rear wheels. Track refers to the distance between
> the left and right wheels.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>[/color]
No problem. Thanks for educating me. It's the track they widened on the
Yaris .
What is the definition of a sub-compact anyways? It's not that much
different in size from a Corolla.
and definitely bigger than a Geo Metro or Mini cooper, but you're right,
they classify the Echo as a sub-compact,
although it's just a roomy inside as any compact I've been in.

I like the looks of the 2 dr ,better than the 4 door but I don't think my
golf clubs and cart would fit with out a shoe horn.I never drove anything
that small and wonder if I could adjust.I wonder about the longevity of the
engine I looked under the hood and it is tiny, what kind of major maintance
does the owners manual call for, timing belt,tuneups,ect?

Tom


"ToMh" <tl@nospam.com> wrote in message news:b0dbg.7410$Go6.4524@trnddc04...[color=blue]
>
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
> news:2be75$446d4fec$180fead6$7289@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1147998663.776902.113930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>>> larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>>>> ToMh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The Echo has a different engine than the Tercel. It has the variable
>>>> > valve 1.5 VVTI and about 13 more HP. I do believe this is the same
>>>> > engine in the Yaris.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would assume :) that the Yaris is pretty comparable to the Echo
>>>> > in
>>>> > mpg. I get a pretty consistent 34 in city and the few times I drove
>>>> > it
>>>> > enough on the freeway I calculated 45.
>>>>
>>>> How well does your Yaris ride? Consumer Reports said that the Scion Xa
>>>> had a choppy ride but that the Echo had a comfortable one, and I was
>>>> able to confirm this.
>>>
>>> I don't have a Yaris, I have a 2000 Echo. My Echo rides great. It's
>>> very comfortable for a compact. I mostly use it for commuting, but have
>>> driven it on a couple 4 hour Highway trips, and it didn't do too bad,
>>> but it's problems aren't so much a comfort issue as it is light and
>>> easily blown around by gusts of wind and Large Semi's, so I don't
>>> recommend it for anything but occasional Freeway use, but for around
>>> town it's been a great little car. I think the Yaris and the Scion both
>>> addresed this problem by widening the wheel base and making the car a
>>> little lower.
>>>[/color]
>> At the risk of sounding pedantic...
>> I believe the Echo is a subcompact. Wheelbase refers to the distance
>> between the front and rear wheels. Track refers to the distance between
>> the left and right wheels.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>[/color]
> No problem. Thanks for educating me. It's the track they widened on the
> Yaris .
> What is the definition of a sub-compact anyways? It's not that much
> different in size from a Corolla.
> and definitely bigger than a Geo Metro or Mini cooper, but you're right,
> they classify the Echo as a sub-compact,
> although it's just a roomy inside as any compact I've been in.
>
>
>[/color]

"twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:qKhbg.67408$IZ2.42499@dukeread07...[color=blue]
>I like the looks of the 2 dr ,better than the 4 door but I don't think my
>golf clubs and cart would fit with out a shoe horn.I never drove anything
>that small and wonder if I could adjust.I wonder about the longevity of the
>engine I looked under the hood and it is tiny, what kind of major maintance
>does the owners manual call for, timing belt,tuneups,ect?
>
> Tom
>[/color]

The physical size of the engine does not have any bearing on its longevity,
unless you regularly use a small engine to pull huge loads.

You can look up the factory recommended maintenance schedule in the owners
section of Toyota's web site.


--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)
[color=blue]
> "ToMh" <tl@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:b0dbg.7410$Go6.4524@trnddc04...[color=green]
>>
>> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
>> news:2be75$446d4fec$180fead6$7289@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1147998663.776902.113930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>>> larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>>>>> ToMh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > The Echo has a different engine than the Tercel. It has the variable
>>>>> > valve 1.5 VVTI and about 13 more HP. I do believe this is the same
>>>>> > engine in the Yaris.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I would assume :) that the Yaris is pretty comparable to the Echo
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > mpg. I get a pretty consistent 34 in city and the few times I drove
>>>>> > it
>>>>> > enough on the freeway I calculated 45.
>>>>>
>>>>> How well does your Yaris ride? Consumer Reports said that the Scion
>>>>> Xa
>>>>> had a choppy ride but that the Echo had a comfortable one, and I was
>>>>> able to confirm this.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a Yaris, I have a 2000 Echo. My Echo rides great. It's
>>>> very comfortable for a compact. I mostly use it for commuting, but have
>>>> driven it on a couple 4 hour Highway trips, and it didn't do too bad,
>>>> but it's problems aren't so much a comfort issue as it is light and
>>>> easily blown around by gusts of wind and Large Semi's, so I don't
>>>> recommend it for anything but occasional Freeway use, but for around
>>>> town it's been a great little car. I think the Yaris and the Scion both
>>>> addresed this problem by widening the wheel base and making the car a
>>>> little lower.
>>>>
>>> At the risk of sounding pedantic...
>>> I believe the Echo is a subcompact. Wheelbase refers to the distance
>>> between the front and rear wheels. Track refers to the distance between
>>> the left and right wheels.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>[/color]
>> No problem. Thanks for educating me. It's the track they widened on the
>> Yaris .
>> What is the definition of a sub-compact anyways? It's not that much
>> different in size from a Corolla.
>> and definitely bigger than a Geo Metro or Mini cooper, but you're right,
>> they classify the Echo as a sub-compact,
>> although it's just a roomy inside as any compact I've been in.
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

"ToMh" <tl@nospam.com> wrote in message news:b0dbg.7410$Go6.4524@trnddc04...[color=blue]
>
> "Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
> news:2be75$446d4fec$180fead6$7289@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "ToMh" <tlhumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1147998663.776902.113930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>>> larry moe 'n curly wrote:
>>>> ToMh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > The Echo has a different engine than the Tercel. It has the variable
>>>> > valve 1.5 VVTI and about 13 more HP. I do believe this is the same
>>>> > engine in the Yaris.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would assume :) that the Yaris is pretty comparable to the Echo
>>>> > in
>>>> > mpg. I get a pretty consistent 34 in city and the few times I drove
>>>> > it
>>>> > enough on the freeway I calculated 45.
>>>>
>>>> How well does your Yaris ride? Consumer Reports said that the Scion Xa
>>>> had a choppy ride but that the Echo had a comfortable one, and I was
>>>> able to confirm this.
>>>
>>> I don't have a Yaris, I have a 2000 Echo. My Echo rides great. It's
>>> very comfortable for a compact. I mostly use it for commuting, but have
>>> driven it on a couple 4 hour Highway trips, and it didn't do too bad,
>>> but it's problems aren't so much a comfort issue as it is light and
>>> easily blown around by gusts of wind and Large Semi's, so I don't
>>> recommend it for anything but occasional Freeway use, but for around
>>> town it's been a great little car. I think the Yaris and the Scion both
>>> addresed this problem by widening the wheel base and making the car a
>>> little lower.
>>>[/color]
>> At the risk of sounding pedantic...
>> I believe the Echo is a subcompact. Wheelbase refers to the distance
>> between the front and rear wheels. Track refers to the distance between
>> the left and right wheels.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O
>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>[/color]
> No problem. Thanks for educating me. It's the track they widened on the
> Yaris .
> What is the definition of a sub-compact anyways? It's not that much
> different in size from a Corolla.
> and definitely bigger than a Geo Metro or Mini cooper, but you're right,
> they classify the Echo as a sub-compact,
> although it's just a roomy inside as any compact I've been in.
>[/color]

There are several different ways to determine vehicle class. The U.S. EPA's
guidelines are probably the most widely used for marketing purposes,
although car rental companies use a different scale. I believe the EPA uses
interior volume and body configuration to determine vehicle class, i.e.,
sub-compact, compact, mid-size, full-size, etc.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

twfsa wrote:[color=blue]
> I like the looks of the 2 dr ,better than the 4 door but I don't think my
> golf clubs and cart would fit with out a shoe horn.I never drove anything
> that small and wonder if I could adjust.I wonder about the longevity of the
> engine I looked under the hood and it is tiny, what kind of major maintance
> does the owners manual call for, timing belt,tuneups,ect?
>
> Tom
>[/color]

Again, I'll talk about the Echo. While I like the looks of the hatch
back a lot better, I can easily get 3 sets of clubs in my trunk,
probably 4. The trunk is huge. I've looked at the hatchback Scion, and
you definitely give up a lot of trunk space, but they do look a lot
sportier. As for maintenance and longevity, it is a Toyota engine, so
I have confidence in a long life. Now I don't know about the Yaris, but
the 1.5 VVTI engine in the Echo uses a timing chain that (supposedly)
never needs to be replaced. The most expensive item appears to be
changing the spark plugs. Two things that bugged me in the Echo was the
use of a plastic intake manifold, and a plastic dip stick, but after 6
years I've not heard of any problems. You can go to toyota.com and pull
up the service schedules for any of their cars.

I guess we can expect the death and injury rates to start to climb again, as
they did in the seventies when all one could buy was little cars, now that
manufactures are offering roller-skate cars again. Why anybody would drive
in one of those midget cars just to save a few hundred dollars a year, is
hard for me to understand


mike hunt


"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
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>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> I don't have a Yaris, I have a 2000 Echo. My Echo rides great. It's
>>>> very comfortable for a compact. I mostly use it for commuting, but have
>>>> driven it on a couple 4 hour Highway trips, and it didn't do too bad,
>>>> but it's problems aren't so much a comfort issue as it is light and
>>>> easily blown around by gusts of wind and Large Semi's, so I don't
>>>> recommend it for anything but occasional Freeway use, but for around
>>>> town it's been a great little car. I think the Yaris and the Scion both
>>>> addresed this problem by widening the wheel base and making the car a
>>>> little lower.
>>>>
>>> At the risk of sounding pedantic...
>>> I believe the Echo is a subcompact. Wheelbase refers to the distance
>>> between the front and rear wheels. Track refers to the distance between
>>> the left and right wheels.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ray O
>>> (correct punctuation to reply)
>>>[/color]
>> No problem. Thanks for educating me. It's the track they widened on the
>> Yaris .
>> What is the definition of a sub-compact anyways? It's not that much
>> different in size from a Corolla.
>> and definitely bigger than a Geo Metro or Mini cooper, but you're right,
>> they classify the Echo as a sub-compact,
>> although it's just a roomy inside as any compact I've been in.
>>[/color]
>
> There are several different ways to determine vehicle class. The U.S.
> EPA's guidelines are probably the most widely used for marketing purposes,
> although car rental companies use a different scale. I believe the EPA
> uses interior volume and body configuration to determine vehicle class,
> i.e., sub-compact, compact, mid-size, full-size, etc.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
>
>[/color]

A tiny engine that need to be run at high RPMs just to stay up to other
traffic, can't be a GOOD thing LOL


mike hunt


"Ray O" <rokigawa@tristarassociatesDOTcomn> wrote in message
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>
> "twfsa" <twfuksa@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:qKhbg.67408$IZ2.42499@dukeread07...[color=green]
>>I like the looks of the 2 dr ,better than the 4 door but I don't think my
>>golf clubs and cart would fit with out a shoe horn.I never drove anything
>>that small and wonder if I could adjust.I wonder about the longevity of
>>the engine I looked under the hood and it is tiny, what kind of major
>>maintance does the owners manual call for, timing belt,tuneups,ect?
>>
>> Tom
>>[/color]
>
> The physical size of the engine does not have any bearing on its
> longevity, unless you regularly use a small engine to pull huge loads.
>
> You can look up the factory recommended maintenance schedule in the owners
> section of Toyota's web site.
>[/color]

Mike Hunter wrote:[color=blue]
> I guess we can expect the death and injury rates to start to climb again, as
> they did in the seventies when all one could buy was little cars, now that
> manufactures are offering roller-skate cars again. Why anybody would drive
> in one of those midget cars just to save a few hundred dollars a year, is
> hard for me to understand
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>[/color]

That's somewhat true. That's why I bought a minivan for the family, and
decided not to give my daughter the Echo. I just looked at some
statistics and the highest deaths rates are for two door compacts and
the lowest are large luxury cars and minivans. SUV and trucks, while
doing real well in multiple car crashes suffer from a very high rate of
single car crashes, due to roll over and lack of stability. The one
exception that stood out was the 4-runner which has one of the lowest
death rates of any car and a magnitude lower than most other SUVs.
So I guess if you want to be safe, get yourself a big Buick , Lexus or
a minivan. If you want your family to be safe, there's not much better
choice than a minivan. I'd never put my kids in a SUV that got horrible
gas mileage and was prone to roll over accidents. Seems like every time
you hear of some horrible accident where a family or group of people
were killed, they always seem to be in some big SUV or full sized van
that lost control.