OT What do you libs think about your New York Times?

I'd like to hear your thoughts on your wonderful newspaper.

I guess it is ok to leak secrets to our enemies...right?

Scott in Florida wrote:[color=blue]
> I'd like to hear your thoughts on your wonderful newspaper.
>
> I guess it is ok to leak secrets to our enemies...right?[/color]

Sure enough, they are the charter member of "Treason 'R Us", Jack
Murtha is #2 there.

In article <so40a2t9teqf8a0pka28kosf2cfh93qlhi@4ax.com>,
Scott in Florida <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote:
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> I'd like to hear your thoughts on your wonderful newspaper.
>
> I guess it is ok to leak secrets to our enemies...right?[/color]

The media is protected. This protection is not without responsibility.
The media many times have a cavalier attitude toward their freedom of
information gathering and dispersal of that information. I wonder if it
is profit driven.
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Scott in Florida wrote:[color=blue]
> I'd like to hear your thoughts on your wonderful newspaper.
>
> I guess it is ok to leak secrets to our enemies...right?[/color]

The following is some stuff that was written in 2002 by folks critical
of the Patriot Act. I'll admit to not having read every word in the
recent NY Times article but other than citing the name of the banking
program and the fact that it is international in scale, is there any
more information in the article than in this 2002 piece?


"Section 312: Another detailed provision imposing upon banks and
domestic financial entities new "minimal" and "enhanced" due diligence
requirements on certain accounts, as a way of revealing possible use of
accounts for terrorist financing (exhaustive Treasury regulations and
other directives already have been issued on the requirements of
Sections 311 and 312).

Section 319: Sets a 120-hour deadline for financial institutions to
respond to certain information requests by federal investigators
involving wide range of accounts.

Section 316 and 319: Creates new forfeiture provisions for those
charged or convicted of certain terrorist crimes especially including
money laundering, setting forfeiture authorities virtually unheard of
in federal law to this point.

Section 319: Permits access by federal investigators of records of
certain "correspondent" accounts with foreign banks.

Section 326: Establishes new or expanded requirements to track
identities of persons opening new bank accounts.

Section 326: Authorizes a study to track aliens or foreign nationals by
a system similar to social security numbers.

Section 358: Allows government investigator access to consumer records,
which does not require a court order and is to be provided in secret
and without civil liability.

Section 361: Establishes or expands the "FinCEN" office in the Treasury
Department, accompanied by a long list of duties for this office and
substantial funding.

The Treasury Department has issued tremendously detailed regulations
for Title III's new requirements for banks and other financial
institutions. Title III has effectively rewritten many banking laws and
introduced new requirements to the point that domestic bank are virtual
partners with the federal government in investigating financial aspects
of terrorism. Spurred by PATRIOT Act authority to investigate any forms
of money transfer that may be linked to terrorism, new arrests and
detentions have been made by federal agents of principals of certain
targeted charitable groups which send money abroad, especially to the
Middle East, shutting these organizations down under the guise of
investigating terrorism. "

On 26 Jun 2006 17:52:07 -0700, "ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
>Scott in Florida wrote:[color=green]
>> I'd like to hear your thoughts on your wonderful newspaper.
>>
>> I guess it is ok to leak secrets to our enemies...right?[/color]
>
>The following is some stuff that was written in 2002 by folks critical
>of the Patriot Act. I'll admit to not having read every word in the
>recent NY Times article but other than citing the name of the banking
>program and the fact that it is international in scale, is there any
>more information in the article than in this 2002 piece?[/color]

Ah ok....

I guess you think it is ok to leak secret programs in time of war....

Got your number...

....and YES the NYT was asked not to publish the article and they did.

Typical.

If I were king, I'd make the NYT the first target...



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Scott in Florida

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
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> On 26 Jun 2006 17:52:07 -0700, "ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>
>>Scott in Florida wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I'd like to hear your thoughts on your wonderful newspaper.
>>>
>>> I guess it is ok to leak secrets to our enemies...right?[/color]
>>
>>The following is some stuff that was written in 2002 by folks critical
>>of the Patriot Act. I'll admit to not having read every word in the
>>recent NY Times article but other than citing the name of the banking
>>program and the fact that it is international in scale, is there any
>>more information in the article than in this 2002 piece?[/color]
>
> Ah ok....
>
> I guess you think it is ok to leak secret programs in time of war....
>
> Got your number...
>
> ...and YES the NYT was asked not to publish the article and they did.
>
> Typical.
>
> If I were king, I'd make the NYT the first target...
>
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida[/color]

Nah, the guy in the spider hole would be the first target. Oops, my hand
slipped off this live grenade that I accidentally dropped into the spider
hole . . . .

Then I'd find Osama Bin Laden and unladen him of a few things. . . .

And then I'd draft the Dems and fake Republicans in the Senate. I'd modify
the draft act just for them. . . .

Charles of Schaumburg

n5hsr, 6/26/2006,10:48:47 PM, wrote:
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> fake Republicans in the Senate[/color]

Two that come to mind are John McCain (AZ) and John Warner (VA).

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:so40a2t9teqf8a0pka28kosf2cfh93qlhi@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> I'd like to hear your thoughts on your wonderful newspaper.
>
> I guess it is ok to leak secrets to our enemies...right?
>[/color]

Disgraceful and traitorous.
mark_

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:57:10 GMT, Scott in Florida
<askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote:
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>On 26 Jun 2006 17:52:07 -0700, "ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>Scott in Florida wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I'd like to hear your thoughts on your wonderful newspaper.
>>>
>>> I guess it is ok to leak secrets to our enemies...right?[/color]
>>
>>The following is some stuff that was written in 2002 by folks critical
>>of the Patriot Act. I'll admit to not having read every word in the
>>recent NY Times article but other than citing the name of the banking
>>program and the fact that it is international in scale, is there any
>>more information in the article than in this 2002 piece?[/color]
>
>Ah ok....
>
>I guess you think it is ok to leak secret programs in time of war....
>[/color]

Since WW2, when have we NOT BEEN in a state of war?
(real or contrived?)
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>Got your number...
>[/color]

I think you need to SMOKE THAT NUMBER! ;-)
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>...and YES the NYT was asked not to publish the article and they did.
>
>Typical.
>[/color]

Gee, imagine that, journalists doing their job: Trying to keep the
government "honest".
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>If I were king, I'd make the NYT the first target...[/color]

Couple hundred years too late for that <g>.

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:48:47 -0500, "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
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>"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
>news:af01a2psijtkv8u12svtrvd9l2m0dghrtj@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On 26 Jun 2006 17:52:07 -0700, "ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>Scott in Florida wrote:
>>>> I'd like to hear your thoughts on your wonderful newspaper.
>>>>
>>>> I guess it is ok to leak secrets to our enemies...right?
>>>
>>>The following is some stuff that was written in 2002 by folks critical
>>>of the Patriot Act. I'll admit to not having read every word in the
>>>recent NY Times article but other than citing the name of the banking
>>>program and the fact that it is international in scale, is there any
>>>more information in the article than in this 2002 piece?[/color]
>>
>> Ah ok....
>>
>> I guess you think it is ok to leak secret programs in time of war....
>>
>> Got your number...
>>
>> ...and YES the NYT was asked not to publish the article and they did.
>>
>> Typical.
>>
>> If I were king, I'd make the NYT the first target...
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Scott in Florida[/color]
>
>Nah, the guy in the spider hole would be the first target. Oops, my hand
>slipped off this live grenade that I accidentally dropped into the spider
>hole . . . .
>[/color]

Ah, ok... MURDER is OK...gotcha.
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>Then I'd find Osama Bin Laden and unladen him of a few things. . . .
>[/color]

Didn't GWB pass OBL off as passe?
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>And then I'd draft the Dems and fake Republicans in the Senate. I'd modify
>the draft act just for them. . . .
>
>Charles of Schaumburg
>[/color]

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:48:47 -0500, "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
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>And then I'd draft the Dems and fake Republicans in the Senate. I'd modify
>the draft act just for them. . . .[/color]

Please don't send them in harms way around my tow sons....


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Scott in Florida

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:jjj2a2tqh1cjk2vlf8reqckg9gfk91rut7@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:48:47 -0500, "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>And then I'd draft the Dems and fake Republicans in the Senate. I'd
>>modify
>>the draft act just for them. . . .[/color]
>
> Please don't send them in harms way around my tow sons....
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida[/color]

They'd probably get Niedermeyered the first day. The Senators, that is.

Charles of Schaumburg

Scott in Florida wrote:[color=blue]
> On 26 Jun 2006 17:52:07 -0700, "ACAR" <getoutanpush@yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >
> >Scott in Florida wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> I'd like to hear your thoughts on your wonderful newspaper.
> >>
> >> I guess it is ok to leak secrets to our enemies...right?[/color]
> >
> >The following is some stuff that was written in 2002 by folks critical
> >of the Patriot Act. I'll admit to not having read every word in the
> >recent NY Times article but other than citing the name of the banking
> >program and the fact that it is international in scale, is there any
> >more information in the article than in this 2002 piece?[/color]
>
> Ah ok....
>
> I guess you think it is ok to leak secret programs in time of war....[/color]

Hey moron, it's not a secret. It's written up as part of the Patriot
Act. The only difference between the Act and the Times story is the
fact that the program went international.
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>
> Got your number...[/color]

Oh, so you can count but not read?
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>
> ...and YES the NYT was asked not to publish the article and they did.[/color]

Yup, same folks who asked them not to publish the story on the NSA
illegal phone taps. Wonder why they didn't respond to the request.
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>
> Typical.
>
> If I were king, I'd make the NYT the first target...[/color]

Nice part about Democracy; no kings. Except for W who thinks he's king.
At least for another few months.