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"If every acre of corn were used for ethanol, it would replace only 12.3
percent of the gasoline used in this country, Hill's study said, adding that
the energy gains of corn-produced ethanol are only modest and the
environmental impacts significant."

-quote from Jason Hill, lead author of the University of Minnesota study.

If fuel consumption was cut by a third or more by using hybrid vehicles, the
12.3% previously mentioned would triple to 36%.

- from me.

"mark_digital©" <xxx976@comcast.com> wrote in message
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> "If every acre of corn were used for ethanol, it would replace only 12.3
> percent of the gasoline used in this country, Hill's study said, adding
> that the energy gains of corn-produced ethanol are only modest and the
> environmental impacts significant."
>
> -quote from Jason Hill, lead author of the University of Minnesota study.
>
> If fuel consumption was cut by a third or more by using hybrid vehicles,
> the 12.3% previously mentioned would triple to 36%.
>
> - from me.
>[/color]

But, he didn't include Soybeans, Sugar Cane, Wood Chips, etc, etc, etc.
Ethanol can be made from a LOT more than just corn.
And, perhaps we could end the Government Subsidies paid to people NOT to
grow something, and actually have them EARNING a living by providing an
energy product.

How can this be? We've had some of the experts in this group stating
that it takes ____ times (fill in blank) more energy to produce
biofuels than it provides.

"ron" <really [email]good@serviceu.com[/email]> wrote in message
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> How can this be? We've had some of the experts in this group stating that
> it takes ____ times (fill in blank) more energy to produce biofuels than
> it provides.[/color]


But, as someone pointed out to me, the same is true for Petrol...

But alas only corn is eligible for the federal subsidy that makes it cost
effective ;)


mike hunt


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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>
> "mark_digital©" <xxx976@comcast.com> wrote in message
> news:H6KdnQx5cJgkdSnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=green]
>> "If every acre of corn were used for ethanol, it would replace only 12.3
>> percent of the gasoline used in this country, Hill's study said, adding
>> that the energy gains of corn-produced ethanol are only modest and the
>> environmental impacts significant."
>>
>> -quote from Jason Hill, lead author of the University of Minnesota study.
>>
>> If fuel consumption was cut by a third or more by using hybrid vehicles,
>> the 12.3% previously mentioned would triple to 36%.
>>
>> - from me.
>>[/color]
>
> But, he didn't include Soybeans, Sugar Cane, Wood Chips, etc, etc, etc.
> Ethanol can be made from a LOT more than just corn.
> And, perhaps we could end the Government Subsidies paid to people NOT to
> grow something, and actually have them EARNING a living by providing an
> energy product.
>
>[/color]

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
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>
> "mark_digital©" <xxx976@comcast.com> wrote in message
> news:H6KdnQx5cJgkdSnZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=green]
>> "If every acre of corn were used for ethanol, it would replace only 12.3
>> percent of the gasoline used in this country, Hill's study said, adding
>> that the energy gains of corn-produced ethanol are only modest and the
>> environmental impacts significant."
>>
>> -quote from Jason Hill, lead author of the University of Minnesota study.
>>
>> If fuel consumption was cut by a third or more by using hybrid vehicles,
>> the 12.3% previously mentioned would triple to 36%.
>>
>> - from me.
>>[/color]
>
> But, he didn't include Soybeans, Sugar Cane, Wood Chips, etc, etc, etc.
> Ethanol can be made from a LOT more than just corn.
> And, perhaps we could end the Government Subsidies paid to people NOT to
> grow something, and actually have them EARNING a living by providing an
> energy product.
>
>[/color]

The others weren't included because the intent was to discourage using corn.
I believe once other "crops" come on line economics will discourage the use
of corn. It wasn't necessary to fund a study. But you know how universities
are. Spent it or lose it.

mark_digital© wrote:[color=blue]
> "If every acre of corn were used for ethanol, it would replace only
> 12.3 percent of the gasoline used in this country, Hill's study said,
> adding that the energy gains of corn-produced ethanol are only modest
> and the environmental impacts significant."
>
> -quote from Jason Hill, lead author of the University of Minnesota
> study.
> If fuel consumption was cut by a third or more by using hybrid
> vehicles, the 12.3% previously mentioned would triple to 36%.
>
> - from me.[/color]

Unfortunately, hybrid vehicles are far more marketing hype than substance.
Any day you can get the US government to subsidize a car, of all things, is
a good one.

mark_digital© wrote:
[color=blue]
> "If every acre of corn were used for ethanol, it would replace only 12.3
> percent of the gasoline used in this country, Hill's study said, adding that
> the energy gains of corn-produced ethanol are only modest and the
> environmental impacts significant."
>
> -quote from Jason Hill, lead author of the University of Minnesota study.[/color]

I don't imagine they are growing more than they can sell profitably.

Don't worry, genetic engineering will probably save our asses right before
it kills us all. But we were going to die, anyway, right?

Especially a car made in a foreign county, that is already subsidized by
that government, by a company that does not pay a penny in US federal
corporate income taxes LOL


mike hunt


"FanJet" <FanJet27@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> mark_digital© wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, hybrid vehicles are far more marketing hype than substance.
> Any day you can get the US government to subsidize a car, of all things,
> is a good one.
>
>[/color]

We most likely will die, before they find a way to distribute the stuff,
even if they could make enough to supply even half of the 230,000,000
vehicles the US. LOL


mike hunt



"Fishface" <invalid@ddress.ok?> wrote in message
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> mark_digital© wrote:[color=green]
>>[/color]
> I don't imagine they are growing more than they can sell profitably.
>
> Don't worry, genetic engineering will probably save our asses right before
> it kills us all. But we were going to die, anyway, right?
>
>[/color]

Mike Hunter wrote:[color=blue]
> Especially a car made in a foreign county, that is already subsidized
> by that government, by a company that does not pay a penny in US
> federal corporate income taxes LOL
>[/color]
Well, it's not like the feds are very smart, but yes that too.
Unfortunately, the very same feds who made this decision promise they're
protecting your a*s on the international front. I think you've said -
repeatedly - that you're comfortable with that. At least bush says he sleeps
good at night.