WAY OT: Some advice from the Nerds in the group:

I need some advice:

I used to be a master PC builder; I built some of the fastest home-brew
systems around. We had all the gamers in the are coming to us because we
had a good reputation for high-end custom systems.

I built the system I'm using now about 3 years ago; at the time a
screamer: SOYO DRAGON Ultra/Black edition, Kingston 433MHz PC3500 RAM, but
I skimped on the video; only an ATI 7000 card.

I want to upgrade, and I want to keep my current components: the Kingston
RAM, I also have a Crucial PC3200 stick, but at 768M RAM I can only run
all the memory at 166. I also added a Diamond 8X AGP video card, ATI9550
based.

I can do this two ways: either way will be an ASUS MB; I have previously
had a LOT of good luck with ASUS boards.

Now I can go with a Socket 774 with an AMD CPU, or a Socket 775 with an
Intel CPU. Back in the day, all you did was choose a processor (AMD or
Intel) and the speed, usually defined by the size of your wallet.

It seems both companies do things different ways. AMD seems to have gone
with CPU to Chipset communications, using bus speeds of at least 800MHz
and up. A decent combination seems to be an ASUS K8N board with a Semperon
CPU, 2.6 GHz on a 1600MHz bus.

The other choice is the same MB but with the Intel socket, with a Pentium
Celeron CPU at 533MHz FSB, but a clock speed of 3.2 GHz. Intel seems to
base their performance on the core speed of the CPU.

Either of these upgrades will allow me to keep all my same stuff, but up
the general speed of my system, at a cost of about $110. The boards are
~$65 and the CPUs are <$50.

THe only other choice is an ASUS MB with an Intel Pentium D, 800MHz FSB
and 2.8GHz. This option would run about $200 or so.

If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
would you buy?

(Hey, Wicked Doll, don't get overcome by the geekery, 'K? ;)

Hachiroku, 7/16/2006,10:42:37 PM, wrote:
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> I need some advice:[/color]
[color=blue]
> If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
> would you buy?[/color]


I would suggest you post this in alt.comp.hardware and/or
alt.comp.homebuilt
You will get much more meaningful and informative replies.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:59:45 +0000, badgolferman wrote:
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> Hachiroku, 7/16/2006,10:42:37 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I need some advice:[/color]
>[color=green]
>> If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
>> would you buy?[/color]
>
>
> I would suggest you post this in alt.comp.hardware and/or
> alt.comp.homebuilt
> You will get much more meaningful and informative replies.[/color]


*I* don't want to be overcome by Geekoid fumes!!!!

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:42:37 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
[color=blue]
>I need some advice:
>
>I used to be a master PC builder; I built some of the fastest home-brew
>systems around. We had all the gamers in the are coming to us because we
>had a good reputation for high-end custom systems.
>[/color]

Are YOU a gamer or a surfer?
[color=blue]
>I built the system I'm using now about 3 years ago; at the time a
>screamer: SOYO DRAGON Ultra/Black edition, Kingston 433MHz PC3500 RAM, but
>I skimped on the video; only an ATI 7000 card.
>[/color]

What CPU are you using now?
And which Dragon Ultra Black is it?
(There are two for the AMD based board...)
[color=blue]
>I want to upgrade, and I want to keep my current components: the Kingston
>RAM, I also have a Crucial PC3200 stick, but at 768M RAM I can only run
>all the memory at 166.[/color]

???
You should get ram that runs at the same speed :/
[color=blue]
>I also added a Diamond 8X AGP video card, ATI9550
>based.
>
>I can do this two ways: either way will be an ASUS MB; I have previously
>had a LOT of good luck with ASUS boards.
>
>Now I can go with a Socket 774 with an AMD CPU, or a Socket 775 with an
>Intel CPU. Back in the day, all you did was choose a processor (AMD or
>Intel) and the speed, usually defined by the size of your wallet.
>
>It seems both companies do things different ways. AMD seems to have gone
>with CPU to Chipset communications, using bus speeds of at least 800MHz
>and up. A decent combination seems to be an ASUS K8N board with a Semperon
>CPU, 2.6 GHz on a 1600MHz bus.
>
>The other choice is the same MB but with the Intel socket, with a Pentium
>Celeron CPU at 533MHz FSB, but a clock speed of 3.2 GHz. Intel seems to
>base their performance on the core speed of the CPU.
>[/color]

WHY use Celery based cpu's???
You'll be happier with a *real* cpu ;-)

[color=blue]
>Either of these upgrades will allow me to keep all my same stuff, but up
>the general speed of my system, at a cost of about $110. The boards are
>~$65 and the CPUs are <$50.
>
>THe only other choice is an ASUS MB with an Intel Pentium D, 800MHz FSB
>and 2.8GHz. This option would run about $200 or so.
>
>If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
>would you buy?
>
>(Hey, Wicked Doll, don't get overcome by the geekery, 'K? ;)[/color]

If getting the fastest cpu that your current motherboard supports
doesn't seem to be a good option, then spend the extra and get the
Pentium D or Athlon 64 cpu (and get matching sticks of ram, too!)

....

In article <xOCug.4034$D7.3508@trndny03>, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.GTS>
wrote:
[color=blue]
> I need some advice:
>
> I used to be a master PC builder; I built some of the fastest home-brew
> systems around. We had all the gamers in the are coming to us because we
> had a good reputation for high-end custom systems.
>
> I built the system I'm using now about 3 years ago; at the time a
> screamer: SOYO DRAGON Ultra/Black edition, Kingston 433MHz PC3500 RAM, but
> I skimped on the video; only an ATI 7000 card.
>
> I want to upgrade, and I want to keep my current components: the Kingston
> RAM, I also have a Crucial PC3200 stick, but at 768M RAM I can only run
> all the memory at 166. I also added a Diamond 8X AGP video card, ATI9550
> based.
>
> I can do this two ways: either way will be an ASUS MB; I have previously
> had a LOT of good luck with ASUS boards.
>
> Now I can go with a Socket 774 with an AMD CPU, or a Socket 775 with an
> Intel CPU. Back in the day, all you did was choose a processor (AMD or
> Intel) and the speed, usually defined by the size of your wallet.
>
> It seems both companies do things different ways. AMD seems to have gone
> with CPU to Chipset communications, using bus speeds of at least 800MHz
> and up. A decent combination seems to be an ASUS K8N board with a Semperon
> CPU, 2.6 GHz on a 1600MHz bus.
>
> The other choice is the same MB but with the Intel socket, with a Pentium
> Celeron CPU at 533MHz FSB, but a clock speed of 3.2 GHz. Intel seems to
> base their performance on the core speed of the CPU.
>
> Either of these upgrades will allow me to keep all my same stuff, but up
> the general speed of my system, at a cost of about $110. The boards are
> ~$65 and the CPUs are <$50.
>
> THe only other choice is an ASUS MB with an Intel Pentium D, 800MHz FSB
> and 2.8GHz. This option would run about $200 or so.
>
> If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
> would you buy?
>
> (Hey, Wicked Doll, don't get overcome by the geekery, 'K? ;)[/color]

Now days I wouldn't bother building a computer with component parts.
You can buy them all ready to go for very little. Example, I purchased
an XP machine, AMD3100 w. 40 meg HD, memory, a decent video card and XP
home edition and it all came to $200 after I got my rebate back. This
summer I picked up a nice 17 inch LCD display and after my rebate comes
in I'll have $140 in it. If you have a Micro-Center near they have
these deal all the time and also have a bunch of mother boards if you
like to go that route.
--

"Noneyabusiness" <TopSecret@Need2No.com> wrote in message
news:<eaimb2ltcccseo78fbnlhe8d0id44pvtqc@4ax.com>...
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> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:42:37 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:[/color]
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>[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >I need some advice:[/color][/color]
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> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >I used to be a master PC builder; I built some of the fastest home-brew[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >systems around. We had all the gamers in the are coming to us because we[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >had a good reputation for high-end custom systems.[/color][/color]
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> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>[/color]
[color=blue]
> Are YOU a gamer or a surfer?[/color]

More of a surfer, business user, software antagonist (easiest way to
describe my job!) and musician.

Also currently an amateur photog; I used to be semi-pro, but that was a
while ago...
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>[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >I built the system I'm using now about 3 years ago; at the time a[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >screamer: SOYO DRAGON Ultra/Black edition, Kingston 433MHz PC3500 RAM,
> >but[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >I skimped on the video; only an ATI 7000 card.[/color][/color]
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> >[/color][/color]
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>[/color]
[color=blue]
> What CPU are you using now?[/color]
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> And which Dragon Ultra Black is it?[/color]
[color=blue]
> (There are two for the AMD based board...)[/color]

KT400 VIA chipset with the 400MHz FSB.
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>[/color]
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> >I want to upgrade, and I want to keep my current components: the Kingston[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >RAM, I also have a Crucial PC3200 stick, but at 768M RAM I can only run[/color][/color]
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> >all the memory at 166.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>[/color]
[color=blue]
> ???[/color]
[color=blue]
> You should get ram that runs at the same speed :/[/color]

They will play together at the DDR 400 speed, but the MB only allows 512M of
DDR400.

I had the Kingston 256, and bought the Crucial, and then bought more
Kingston so I could set the bus speed back to 217.

The ONE good thing about that SOYO MoBo!!
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>[/color]
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> >I also added a Diamond 8X AGP video card, ATI9550[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >based.[/color][/color]
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> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >I can do this two ways: either way will be an ASUS MB; I have previously[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >had a LOT of good luck with ASUS boards.[/color][/color]
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> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >Now I can go with a Socket 774 with an AMD CPU, or a Socket 775 with an[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >Intel CPU. Back in the day, all you did was choose a processor (AMD or[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >Intel) and the speed, usually defined by the size of your wallet.[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >It seems both companies do things different ways. AMD seems to have gone[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >with CPU to Chipset communications, using bus speeds of at least 800MHz[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >and up. A decent combination seems to be an ASUS K8N board with a
> >Semperon[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >CPU, 2.6 GHz on a 1600MHz bus.[/color][/color]
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> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >The other choice is the same MB but with the Intel socket, with a Pentium[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >Celeron CPU at 533MHz FSB, but a clock speed of 3.2 GHz. Intel seems to[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >base their performance on the core speed of the CPU.[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>[/color]
[color=blue]
> WHY use Celery based cpu's???[/color]
[color=blue]
> You'll be happier with a *real* cpu ;-)[/color]

Yeah, I think I'll skip the Celeron. It was 'cheap' at $44.

I can get an OEM Intel P4 for about $100 more, 800MHz FSB at 3.2GHz.

This seems to be the way I am leaning...
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>[/color]
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>[/color]
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> >Either of these upgrades will allow me to keep all my same stuff, but up[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >the general speed of my system, at a cost of about $110. The boards are[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >~$65 and the CPUs are <$50.[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >THe only other choice is an ASUS MB with an Intel Pentium D, 800MHz FSB[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >and 2.8GHz. This option would run about $200 or so.[/color][/color]
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> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >would you buy?[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
> >(Hey, Wicked Doll, don't get overcome by the geekery, 'K? ;)[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>[/color]
[color=blue]
> If getting the fastest cpu that your current motherboard supports[/color]
[color=blue]
> doesn't seem to be a good option, then spend the extra and get the[/color]
[color=blue]
> Pentium D or Athlon 64 cpu (and get matching sticks of ram, too!)[/color]

It is a Socket "A" (4??) and the chips are GONE!

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:14:13 GMT, " dbu." <howard@dynoisadork.com>
wrote:
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>>
>> THe only other choice is an ASUS MB with an Intel Pentium D, 800MHz FSB
>> and 2.8GHz. This option would run about $200 or so.[/color][/color]

The Pentium D really isn't that good, and it runs really hot like
other Netburst CPUs from what I've been told.

You're better off with an AMD CPU at the present time. (This will
probably change as the Core 2 Duo chips come out.)
[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
>> would you buy?
>>
>> (Hey, Wicked Doll, don't get overcome by the geekery, 'K? ;)[/color]
>
>Now days I wouldn't bother building a computer with component parts.
>You can buy them all ready to go for very little. Example, I purchased
>an XP machine, AMD3100 w. 40 meg HD, memory, a decent video card and XP
>home edition and it all came to $200 after I got my rebate back. This
>summer I picked up a nice 17 inch LCD display and after my rebate comes
>in I'll have $140 in it. If you have a Micro-Center near they have
>these deal all the time and also have a bunch of mother boards if you
>like to go that route.[/color]

There are even better deals out there.

[url]http://www.k-ossystems.com/cgi-bin/kart/index.php?p=productsMore&iProduct=30[/url]

In article <5f8nb29v8h16d0h8duj8d754gkdbihrtu2@4ax.com>,
Stuart Krivis <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:14:13 GMT, " dbu." <howard@dynoisadork.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>
> >> THe only other choice is an ASUS MB with an Intel Pentium D, 800MHz FSB
> >> and 2.8GHz. This option would run about $200 or so.[/color][/color]
>
> The Pentium D really isn't that good, and it runs really hot like
> other Netburst CPUs from what I've been told.
>
> You're better off with an AMD CPU at the present time. (This will
> probably change as the Core 2 Duo chips come out.)
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>
> >> If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
> >> would you buy?
> >>
> >> (Hey, Wicked Doll, don't get overcome by the geekery, 'K? ;)[/color]
> >
> >Now days I wouldn't bother building a computer with component parts.
> >You can buy them all ready to go for very little. Example, I purchased
> >an XP machine, AMD3100 w. 40 meg HD, memory, a decent video card and XP
> >home edition and it all came to $200 after I got my rebate back. This
> >summer I picked up a nice 17 inch LCD display and after my rebate comes
> >in I'll have $140 in it. If you have a Micro-Center near they have
> >these deal all the time and also have a bunch of mother boards if you
> >like to go that route.[/color]
>
> There are even better deals out there.
>
> [url]http://www.k-ossystems.com/cgi-bin/kart/index.php?p=productsMore&iProduct=30[/url][/color]

Makes me wonder how they can make any money. No rebate to fool with
either.
--

badgolferman wrote:[color=blue]
> Hachiroku, 7/16/2006,10:42:37 PM, wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I need some advice:[/color]
>[color=green]
> > If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
> > would you buy?[/color]
>
>
> I would suggest you post this in alt.comp.hardware and/or
> alt.comp.homebuilt
> You will get much more meaningful and informative replies.[/color]

Take it easy on yourself hachi. Call Dell. You can get a Pentium IV
with a DVI video card, tons of ram, multimedia, and a 17" flat panel
LCD monitor for $449. You can prolly even get 18 months no interest,
as I did on my 26" LCD TV/computer monitor.

Good luck homey

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:05:27 +0000, dbu. wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <5f8nb29v8h16d0h8duj8d754gkdbihrtu2@4ax.com>,
> Stuart Krivis <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:14:13 GMT, " dbu." <howard@dynoisadork.com>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>
>> >> THe only other choice is an ASUS MB with an Intel Pentium D, 800MHz FSB
>> >> and 2.8GHz. This option would run about $200 or so.[/color]
>>
>> The Pentium D really isn't that good, and it runs really hot like
>> other Netburst CPUs from what I've been told.
>>
>> You're better off with an AMD CPU at the present time. (This will
>> probably change as the Core 2 Duo chips come out.)
>>[color=darkred]
>> >>
>> >> If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
>> >> would you buy?
>> >>
>> >> (Hey, Wicked Doll, don't get overcome by the geekery, 'K? ;)
>> >
>> >Now days I wouldn't bother building a computer with component parts.
>> >You can buy them all ready to go for very little. Example, I purchased
>> >an XP machine, AMD3100 w. 40 meg HD, memory, a decent video card and XP
>> >home edition and it all came to $200 after I got my rebate back. This
>> >summer I picked up a nice 17 inch LCD display and after my rebate comes
>> >in I'll have $140 in it. If you have a Micro-Center near they have
>> >these deal all the time and also have a bunch of mother boards if you
>> >like to go that route.[/color]
>>
>> There are even better deals out there.
>>
>> [url]http://www.k-ossystems.com/cgi-bin/kart/index.php?p=productsMore&iProduct=30[/url][/color]
>
> Makes me wonder how they can make any money. No rebate to fool with
> either.[/color]


A Socket A MoBo?!?!?!
Noly Crap! I have a Socket A MoBo...you can't get them OR the chips any
more, or I'd just pop in an Athlon XP 3200+!!!!

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:45:55 -0400, Stuart Krivis wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:14:13 GMT, " dbu." <howard@dynoisadork.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> THe only other choice is an ASUS MB with an Intel Pentium D, 800MHz FSB
>>> and 2.8GHz. This option would run about $200 or so.[/color][/color]
>
> The Pentium D really isn't that good, and it runs really hot like
> other Netburst CPUs from what I've been told.
>
> You're better off with an AMD CPU at the present time. (This will
> probably change as the Core 2 Duo chips come out.)[/color]

I've had an AMD 386/40; first machine I built, then an Intel 486DX33
clocked up to 50MHz, and then an AMD k6 400 clocked up to 450MHz (ran the
damn thing for 7 years! The only reason I built a new one was because the
KB connector went south. If I put a USB KB in it it would live again!)

Then I built my AMD Athlon XP 3 years ago, with Kingston HyperX RAM,
PC3500, clocked to 217MHz. Runs well and is plenty fast, but the SOYO MoBo
it a PITA. I ran the HyperX at 217MHz (433MHZ) and the CPU at 2.08GHz, and
it ran fine on Linux or W2K until I loaded XP, then started crashing. I
can run Linux Full Bore, but XP doesn't like the speed!

The Intel chips are finally starting to outrun the AMDs after a long time
of AMD Dominance.

Basicall, I'm running from the MoBo, and right now, Intel seems to have
the Hot Setups for under $500.

[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
>>> would you buy?
>>>
>>> (Hey, Wicked Doll, don't get overcome by the geekery, 'K? ;)[/color]
>>
>>Now days I wouldn't bother building a computer with component parts.
>>You can buy them all ready to go for very little. Example, I purchased
>>an XP machine, AMD3100 w. 40 meg HD, memory, a decent video card and XP
>>home edition and it all came to $200 after I got my rebate back. This
>>summer I picked up a nice 17 inch LCD display and after my rebate comes
>>in I'll have $140 in it. If you have a Micro-Center near they have
>>these deal all the time and also have a bunch of mother boards if you
>>like to go that route.[/color]
>
> There are even better deals out there.
>
> [url]http://www.k-ossystems.com/cgi-bin/kart/index.php?p=productsMore&iProduct=30[/url][/color]

"Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153155229.985978.130180@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> badgolferman wrote:[color=green]
>> Hachiroku, 7/16/2006,10:42:37 PM, wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > I need some advice:[/color]
>>[color=darkred]
>> > If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
>> > would you buy?[/color]
>>
>>
>> I would suggest you post this in alt.comp.hardware and/or
>> alt.comp.homebuilt
>> You will get much more meaningful and informative replies.[/color]
>
> Take it easy on yourself hachi. Call Dell. You can get a Pentium IV
> with a DVI video card, tons of ram, multimedia, and a 17" flat panel
> LCD monitor for $449. You can prolly even get 18 months no interest,
> as I did on my 26" LCD TV/computer monitor.
>
> Good luck homey[/color]


But where's the fun in that?!?!
No wedging the motherboard into the case?
No fanagling the three drive cables I need for my DVDs, CDs, Zip and 2 HDDs?
No pressing so hard on the fan you think you're going to waste the MoBo?!?
No cursing at Microsoft for making an OS that can see there have been
changes and just load the correct parameters, digging out the Install CD and
waiting 40 minutes while it reloads the operating system for the 5th
time?!?!
No playing with clock speeds, freezing the system, resetting the BIOS and
starting over, getting it up and running at mind warping speeds until XP
chokes on it? (Linux just says, OK, 4 GHz? Let's do it!)

Where's your sense of adventure, man?!?!?

(I've had AMD "K" Systems that have run circles around P-IIIs...)

Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> "Learning Richard" <learningrichard@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153155229.985978.130180@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
> >
> > badgolferman wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> Hachiroku, 7/16/2006,10:42:37 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >> > I need some advice:
> >>
> >> > If you guys were building a new system, and money WERE an object, what
> >> > would you buy?
> >>
> >>
> >> I would suggest you post this in alt.comp.hardware and/or
> >> alt.comp.homebuilt
> >> You will get much more meaningful and informative replies.[/color]
> >
> > Take it easy on yourself hachi. Call Dell. You can get a Pentium IV
> > with a DVI video card, tons of ram, multimedia, and a 17" flat panel
> > LCD monitor for $449. You can prolly even get 18 months no interest,
> > as I did on my 26" LCD TV/computer monitor.
> >
> > Good luck homey[/color]
>
>
> But where's the fun in that?!?!
> No wedging the motherboard into the case?
> No fanagling the three drive cables I need for my DVDs, CDs, Zip and 2 HDDs?
> No pressing so hard on the fan you think you're going to waste the MoBo?!?
> No cursing at Microsoft for making an OS that can see there have been
> changes and just load the correct parameters, digging out the Install CD and
> waiting 40 minutes while it reloads the operating system for the 5th
> time?!?!
> No playing with clock speeds, freezing the system, resetting the BIOS and
> starting over, getting it up and running at mind warping speeds until XP
> chokes on it? (Linux just says, OK, 4 GHz? Let's do it!)
>
> Where's your sense of adventure, man?!?!?
>
> (I've had AMD "K" Systems that have run circles around P-IIIs...)[/color]

I suppose I lost _that_ sense of adventure around the same time I got
tired of getting brake fluid on my hands when I changed the shoes on my
old Honda. I knew how to do it, but I found that a trained mechanic
could do a better job, and can also be the best friend a guy ever had.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:57:12 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:

[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> >Now days I wouldn't bother building a computer with component parts.
>>> >You can buy them all ready to go for very little. Example, I purchased
>>> >an XP machine, AMD3100 w. 40 meg HD, memory, a decent video card and XP
>>> >home edition and it all came to $200 after I got my rebate back. This
>>> >summer I picked up a nice 17 inch LCD display and after my rebate comes
>>> >in I'll have $140 in it. If you have a Micro-Center near they have
>>> >these deal all the time and also have a bunch of mother boards if you
>>> >like to go that route.
>>>
>>> There are even better deals out there.
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.k-ossystems.com/cgi-bin/kart/index.php?p=productsMore&iProduct=30[/url][/color]
>>
>> Makes me wonder how they can make any money. No rebate to fool with
>> either.[/color]
>
>
>A Socket A MoBo?!?!?!
>Noly Crap! I have a Socket A MoBo...you can't get them OR the chips any
>more, or I'd just pop in an Athlon XP 3200+!!!![/color]

But you have to admit that this is a lot of computer for $150.

The point about no rebate is a good one too.

In article <lmbqb21phe1aldup9m910l0mt780r40h6r@4ax.com>,
Stuart Krivis <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:57:12 GMT, Hachiroku <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote:
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>> >Now days I wouldn't bother building a computer with component parts.
> >>> >You can buy them all ready to go for very little. Example, I purchased
> >>> >an XP machine, AMD3100 w. 40 meg HD, memory, a decent video card and XP
> >>> >home edition and it all came to $200 after I got my rebate back. This
> >>> >summer I picked up a nice 17 inch LCD display and after my rebate comes
> >>> >in I'll have $140 in it. If you have a Micro-Center near they have
> >>> >these deal all the time and also have a bunch of mother boards if you
> >>> >like to go that route.
> >>>
> >>> There are even better deals out there.
> >>>
> >>> [url]http://www.k-ossystems.com/cgi-bin/kart/index.php?p=productsMore&iProduct=[/url]
> >>> 30
> >>
> >> Makes me wonder how they can make any money. No rebate to fool with
> >> either.[/color]
> >
> >
> >A Socket A MoBo?!?!?!
> >Noly Crap! I have a Socket A MoBo...you can't get them OR the chips any
> >more, or I'd just pop in an Athlon XP 3200+!!!![/color]
>
> But you have to admit that this is a lot of computer for $150.
>
> The point about no rebate is a good one too.[/color]

A better deal than I got for sure, bigger hard drive ect. Thing to keep
in mind too is these computers are most likely made in the same factory.
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