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#1 Old 07-27-2006, 12:23 AM
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incorrect carfax report or a rollback that I'll get drilled with?

I am looking to buy a late 90's 4runner and thought I had found a gem.
A '97 with only 53k miles on it. Before I went to go take a look at it
today I ran a carfax on it and found some interesting information.

2 years after the car was first sold it had a smog check and was tagged
at 14k miles. Exactly 3 years later at another smog check...90k miles!!

This car has only had one owner, it's being sold in a consignment
situation so I have yet to speak to them, the dealer is to get back to
me after he does.

What's more likely...the odometer was rolled...or the carfax report is
wrong?

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#2 Old 07-27-2006, 02:06 AM
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Re: incorrect carfax report or a rollback that I'll get drilled with?


[email]gettoyouthcrew@gmail.com[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
> I am looking to buy a late 90's 4runner and thought I had found a gem.
> A '97 with only 53k miles on it. Before I went to go take a look at it
> today I ran a carfax on it and found some interesting information.
>
> 2 years after the car was first sold it had a smog check and was tagged
> at 14k miles. Exactly 3 years later at another smog check...90k miles!![/color]
[color=blue]
> What's more likely...the odometer was rolled...or the carfax report is
> wrong?[/color]

Carfax is never wrong, and sellers of used cars never lie, but always
remember to add a "1" in front of the mileage number, when appropriate.

#3 Old 07-27-2006, 02:33 AM
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Re: incorrect carfax report or a rollback that I'll get drilled with?

carfax can be wrong and theyre a crooked ass organization... they spied
on me for 2 months after i used them... i say use anything but
carfax.... they suck @ss.
[email]gettoyouthcrew@gmail.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> I am looking to buy a late 90's 4runner and thought I had found a gem.
> A '97 with only 53k miles on it. Before I went to go take a look at it
> today I ran a carfax on it and found some interesting information.
>
> 2 years after the car was first sold it had a smog check and was tagged
> at 14k miles. Exactly 3 years later at another smog check...90k miles!!
>
> This car has only had one owner, it's being sold in a consignment
> situation so I have yet to speak to them, the dealer is to get back to
> me after he does.
>
> What's more likely...the odometer was rolled...or the carfax report is
> wrong?[/color]

#4 Old 07-27-2006, 07:27 AM
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Re: incorrect carfax report or a rollback that I'll get drilled with?

"Norm De Plume" <norm_de_plume@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> [email]gettoyouthcrew@gmail.com[/email] wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I am looking to buy a late 90's 4runner and thought I had found a gem.
>> A '97 with only 53k miles on it. Before I went to go take a look at it
>> today I ran a carfax on it and found some interesting information.
>>
>> 2 years after the car was first sold it had a smog check and was tagged
>> at 14k miles. Exactly 3 years later at another smog check...90k miles!![/color]
>[color=green]
>> What's more likely...the odometer was rolled...or the carfax report is
>> wrong?[/color]
>
> Carfax is never wrong, and sellers of used cars never lie, but always
> remember to add a "1" in front of the mileage number, when appropriate.
>[/color]

But remember Toyotas after 1982 have 6 figures on the odometer, not 5, so
he's seeing 053xxx on the odometer.

Charles of Schaumburg

Currently at 223850 on his odometer.


#5 Old 07-27-2006, 09:30 AM
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"Pop-N-Fresh" <linux.server@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1153982009.187695.38130@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> carfax can be wrong and theyre a crooked ass organization... they spied
> on me for 2 months after i used them... i say use anything but
> carfax.... they suck @ss.
> [email]gettoyouthcrew@gmail.com[/email] wrote:[color=green]
>> I am looking to buy a late 90's 4runner and thought I had found a gem.
>> A '97 with only 53k miles on it. Before I went to go take a look at it
>> today I ran a carfax on it and found some interesting information.
>>
>> 2 years after the car was first sold it had a smog check and was tagged
>> at 14k miles. Exactly 3 years later at another smog check...90k miles!!
>>
>> This car has only had one owner, it's being sold in a consignment
>> situation so I have yet to speak to them, the dealer is to get back to
>> me after he does.
>>
>> What's more likely...the odometer was rolled...or the carfax report is
>> wrong?[/color]
>[/color]

I ran a car fax on my moms car that got wrecked so bad it was almost
totaled. Came back clean 3 years after the accident. Carfax is wrong
sometimes.


#6 Old 07-27-2006, 10:42 AM
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On 26 Jul 2006 21:23:51 -0700, [email]gettoyouthcrew@gmail.com[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
>I am looking to buy a late 90's 4runner and thought I had found a gem.
>A '97 with only 53k miles on it. Before I went to go take a look at it
>today I ran a carfax on it and found some interesting information.
>
>2 years after the car was first sold it had a smog check and was tagged
>at 14k miles. Exactly 3 years later at another smog check...90k miles!!
>
>This car has only had one owner, it's being sold in a consignment
>situation so I have yet to speak to them, the dealer is to get back to
>me after he does.
>
>What's more likely...the odometer was rolled...or the carfax report is
>wrong?[/color]

Unless he has a pile of service records or a log that supports the
53K, I suspect it's been clocked. But the final decision is yours.

What are all the data points? You provided:
1997 - new
1999 - 14K
2002 - 90K
2006 - 53K
There should be more data points - Smog is supposed to be biennial
where required, and 2004 is missing.

Those mileage numbers are entered by the smog technician, not the
owner, and they have no reason to report an incorrect number.

--<< Bruce >>--

#7 Old 07-27-2006, 11:05 AM
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What are all the data points? You provided:
1997 - new
1999 - 14K
2002 - 90K
2006 - 53K


Those are all of the data points provided. Additionally, the last entry
in the vehicle history report is that 2002 smog check, no
registration/renewal entries after that.

This is starting to look more and more like a rollback and a very fishy
deal.

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The carfax is a good tool to press on the seller to lower the price. You could find totalled car just because it was vandalized (broken windows, slashed tires, busted headlights), but after repair it still will run great. On the other hand you may come across nice-looking low mileage beauty with latent engine damage. My 79 Supra was wrecked, stolen, flooded, vandalized but it still was looking/running good after repairs, and no carfax will cover cars prior to 1981, so the car's history was only known to me.
Also, many people will not show the major repairs in the near past to the prospective buyer.
I rather check the car license for unpaid tickets/citations and smog checks.
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#9 Old 07-27-2006, 03:41 PM
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Re: incorrect carfax report or a rollback that I'll get drilled with?

I would not rely on Carfax to be accurate, if it were me.

mike hunt


<gettoyouthcrew@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153974231.028564.177740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>I am looking to buy a late 90's 4runner and thought I had found a gem.
> A '97 with only 53k miles on it. Before I went to go take a look at it
> today I ran a carfax on it and found some interesting information.
>
> 2 years after the car was first sold it had a smog check and was tagged
> at 14k miles. Exactly 3 years later at another smog check...90k miles!!
>
> This car has only had one owner, it's being sold in a consignment
> situation so I have yet to speak to them, the dealer is to get back to
> me after he does.
>
> What's more likely...the odometer was rolled...or the carfax report is
> wrong?
>[/color]


#10 Old 07-28-2006, 12:22 AM
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On 27 Jul 2006 08:05:49 -0700, [email]gettoyouthcrew@gmail.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
>Bruce Bergman wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> What are all the data points? You provided:
>>1997 - new
>>1999 - 14K
>>2002 - 90K
>>2006 - 53K[/color]
>
>Those are all of the data points provided. Additionally, the last entry
>in the vehicle history report is that 2002 smog check, no
>registration/renewal entries after that.
>
>This is starting to look more and more like a rollback and a very fishy
>deal.[/color]

Very good, you're learning... ;-P It's not a definite thing, but
that report gave you an important clue that would certainly make me
think that "The game is afoot."

If you walk in with your eyes open and know what the car is worth,
they can't cheat you. Either they have service records proving the
mileage on the car, and that 90K Carfax report was in error... Or you
make a realistic low-ball counter-offer on the price - If the car had
90K on it two years ago, unless it's been sitting it has to have 120K
plus by now.

"Okay, the odometer has 53K on it. Instrument clusters can be
changed real easy. How many miles on the whole car?" ;-)

If you walk into the meeting with the seller, and your gut says this
is a fishy deal, go with your gut - it's usually right. Most people
won't listen to that little voice going "I've got a very bad feeling
about this...", and they get into a whole lotta trouble that way.

If you can't find any hard proof that they're trying to rip you off,
don't make any accusations you can't back up - just make up an excuse
that the car isn't the right one for you, and get the heck outta
there. Let them sucker someone else.

--<< Bruce >>--

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