OT Israel loses Lebanon war

This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.

Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.

Never let a liberal control anything....

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JERUSALEM – In the coming days, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his
government ministers will attempt to persuade Israeli voters and the
international community that Israel achieved its political and
military objectives during its campaign in Lebanon.

Olmert will likely claim Hezbollah's capabilities have been minimized;
a strong, armed force will soon be deployed in south Lebanon capable
of contending with Hezbollah; and that the political momentum for a
new Middle East settlement is now on Israel's side.

In actuality, these claims couldn't be further from the truth. Israel
lost the war in Lebanon on all fronts. This is so largely because
Olmert refused to allow the Israeli Defense Forces to do its job.

Days after Hezbollah provoked Israel last month by firing rockets into
Jewish towns and by ambushing an Israeli military patrol unit killing
8 soldiers and kidnapping two others, the IDF presented Olmert with
several battle plans it says could have devastated Hezbollah within an
estimated three weeks.

The plans, drawn up and improved upon over the course of several
years, called for an immediate air campaign against Hezbollah
strongholds in south Beirut; aerial bombardment of key sections of the
Lebanese-Syria border to ensure the kidnapped soldiers were not
transported out of the country and to halt Syrian re-supply of arms to
Hezbollah; and the deployment of up to 40,000 ground troops to advance
immediately to the Latani River – taking up the swath of territory
from which most Hezbollah rockets are fired – and from there work
their way back to the Israeli border while surrounding and then
cleaning out Hezbollah strongholds under heavy aerial cover.

To the dismay of military officials here, Olmert did not approve the
plan. He initially allowed only a limited air campaign that focused on
some high-profile Hezbollah targets, the Beirut airport and roads that
led from Beirut into Syria. But the main smuggling routes between
Syria and Lebanon, sites very well known to Israeli intelligence, were
essentially off limits to the Israeli Air Force because Olmert didn't
want his army operating too close to Syria for fear it would bring
Damascus into the conflict.

IDF suffers from lack of troops in Lebanon, insufficient air coverage

When Hezbollah met Israel's air campaign with massive rocket attacks
against northern Israeli communities, the IDF again presented Olmert
with a plan for a large ground deployment to the Latani River. The
Israeli Prime Minister – under heavy pressure to step up operations in
response to Hezbollah rocket fire – approved only a smaller ground
offensive of up to 8,000 soldiers who were not allowed to advance to
the Latani.

The IDF was directed to clean out Hezbollah's bases within about three
miles of the Israeli border. Small forces, though, did advance further
while isolated special operations were carried out deep inside
Lebanon.

Afraid of being accused of using excessive force and firing
indiscriminately into population centers – charges leveled at the
Jewish state anyway – Olmert limited the IAF to strategic bombings
only. The air force was not allowed to clear the way for ground troops
to enter.

And so the IDF – with a force one fourth the size it asked for –
engaged in heated, often face-to-face combat over the course of weeks
with a well-trained, well-armed Hezbollah militia that had planned
with Iran for up to six years for this battle.

Israeli soldiers found themselves up against Hezbollah gunmen who
fought in civilian clothing and hid behind local civilian populations.
Well-orchestrated Hezbollah ambushes took tolls on troop battalions.
Iranian-supplied advanced anti-tank missiles proved extremely
effective against Israeli combat vehicles.

The IDF suffered in very specific ways on the battlefield because of a
lack of enough ground troops.

One example was a battle that began July 25. The Israeli army
attempted to strangle Bint Jbail, a town of about 30,000 commonly
called the "Hezbollah capital" of south Lebanon. Because there were
not enough troops to completely surround the strategic village, Bint
Jbail's northern entrance was not sealed off, and, according to army
sources, hundreds of Hezbollah fighters were able to infiltrate and
join with the already 150 or so gunmen inside. The IDF had to contend
with a larger Hezbollah contingent as a result. Nine soldiers were
lost in heavy fighting the next day. Another 14 soldiers were killed
at Bint Jbail the next two weeks.

On several occasions the past few weeks, while heavy diplomacy looked
to be gaining momentum, such as during Secretary of State Condoleeza
Rice's visits here, the IDF was actually asked by the political
echelon to halt most operations and troop advances for up to 36 hours
while negotiations ran their course.

Military leaders now charge that some troop battalions, instructed to
hold positions outside villages but not to advance, actually became
sitting ducks for Hezbollah anti-tank fire, which killed at least 35
Israeli soldiers. After the diplomacy failed, soldiers were ordered to
carry on. This piece of information will likely be brought to light by
commissions of inquiry already initiated into the performance of the
IDF and the culpability of Israel's political leadership.

Hezbollah showed other impressive gains. In what Israel admitted was a
major blow to its navy, Hezbollah during the initial fighting hit an
Israeli naval ship with an Iranian Silkworm C-802 radar-guided
anti-ship cruise missile, killing four soldiers and damaging the
warship. It was the first time the missile had been introduced into
the battle with Israel. Military officials here said the Israeli
ship's radar system was not calibrated to detect the Silkworm, which
is equipped with an advanced anti-tracking system.

Olmert turns down 'necessary' military ops

WorldNetDaily was made aware by senior military officials of several
meetings in which IDF officials petitioned Olmert and Defense Minister
Amir Peretz for a larger ground force and for more heavy aerial cover,
or at least for ground troops already in Lebanon to be authorized to
reach the Latani River in hopes of cleaning out the villages nearby
such as Tyre, from which many rockets are launched into Israel.

The petitions came more frequently as Hezbollah rockets landed further
and further south inside Israel.

Tens of thousands of troops were put on standby in northern Israel,
but were not allowed to enter Lebanon.

The smaller IDF numbers on the ground in Lebanon carried on,
eventually with instructions to create a buffer zone of about 3 miles
within which the Hezbollah infrastructure would be entirely wiped out.
The zone would do little to stop rocket fire into northern Israel,
since most rockets were fired from positions deeper inside south
Lebanon.

Officials say the IAF was still restrained from targeting key
positions close to the Syrian border in the Bekaa Valley from which
intelligence officials say Hezbollah received regular shipments of
rockets and other heavy weaponry originating in Iran and transported
via Syria. Israel bombed roads in the area a few kilometers from
Syria, but many weapons smuggling routes at the border remained
intact.

While Syria placed its military on high alert, Olmert told reporters
several times Israel had no intention of bringing Damascus into the
war.

Last weekend, after Hezbollah rockets killed a record 15 civilians in
one day, Olmert's cabinet finally gave the green light for an enormous
IDF ground invasion and for an advance to the Latani River.

Many military officials here told me they were elated the IDF would at
last be given the freedom to do what it had wanted to do nearly one
month ago.

The cabinet, though, left the timing of the new operation to Olmert,
who held the advance back until Thursday morning. By Thursday evening,
the IDF, which charged ahead from four main fronts, reached the Latani
River and even beyond in full force and prepared for an intense battle
to overtake the areas used by Hezbollah to fire rockets. The IDF
estimated it would need another four to six weeks to successfully wipe
out the Hezbollah infrastructure in the areas.

But a day later a cease-fire resolution was adapted. The U.S., perhaps
wanting to cut its losses after Israel's month-long poor performance,
supported a cessation of military activities in Lebanon.

Hezbollah remains intact, Israel's enemies emboldened

The IDF continued its advance until this morning, beginning to clear
out some villages. But not nearly enough gains were made, as was amply
demonstrated yesterday when Hezbollah fired over 240 rockets – its
largest one-day volley yet – into northern Israel, killing one
civilian and wounding at least 26 others.

Now the cease-fire is being implemented. Perhaps it will hold, perhaps
it won't. Either way, Hezbollah has won the war. It put up an
incredible fight against IDF forces paralyzed by Israel's leadership.
The terror group maintains a good deal of its infrastructure in south
Lebanon and still has the ability to fire hundreds of rockets per day
into Israel.

Even if Israel restarts its larger offensive, Hezbollah still can
regain the initiative by carrying out larger escalations, such as
firing its long-range Zelzal rockets into Tel Aviv.

Hezbollah is ecstatic about the deployment of "15,000 soldiers" from
the Lebanese Army to replace Israeli troops in south Lebanon. The
Lebanese Army doesn't have 15,000 standing troops. Aside from a small
air force pool, the Army doesn't have a reserve unit from which it can
call up large numbers.

The plan, according to Lebanese officials, is to recall Lebanese
soldiers who served during the past 5 years, which means many
out-of-shape, unprepared ex-soldiers will be charged with protecting
the Israeli border. Take into account the sectarian divisions of the
split Shiite-Sunni Lebanese Army – with many soldiers sympathetic to
Hezbollah's cause – and you have a force that will, at best, do little
to contend with Hezbollah, and at worst prompt an internal civil war.
Not to mention, the Lebanese Army is poorly armed and ill-equipped.

The cease-fire call for the establishment of a backed-up United
Nations force in south Lebanon is also taken as a victory for
Hezbollah. The terror group does not believe any international force
will be willing to die to defend Israel's borders or that it will have
the ability to block the group's re-supply routes between Syria and
Lebanon. Hezbollah knows that if the IDF couldn't defeat it, European
forces, led by countries opposed to Israel's Lebanon campaign, will be
no match.

For Israel, an international force on its borders will impede the
ability of the IDF to operate with freedom during any future conflict
with Hezbollah.

The Jewish state's credibility took a massive toll when Olmert agreed
to the current cease-fire calling for negotiations at a later date for
the two soldiers Hezbollah kidnapped. Olmert had repeatedly vowed the
war would only stop after Hezbollah returned the abducted Israeli
troops, and now the prime minister is ending the war without even
vague promises of the soldiers' assured safety or indications they are
alive. Hezbollah sees this as a victory.

The cease-fire places the Shebba Farms, territory held by Israel but
claimed by Hezbollah, up for future negotiations, granting Hezbollah
the ability to claim its fighting brought international legitimacy to
its territorial demands.

The cease-fire doesn't place an immediate arms embargo on Hezbollah,
but only calls for future talks on stopping weapons transfers to the
terror group. This leaves Syria and Iran free to rearm and regroup
Hezbollah.

The two state sponsors of Hezbollah, Syria and Iran learned during the
last month that they can orchestrate a proxy war against America's
Middle East ally at no cost to their regimes. They engineered a tough
fight against Israeli forces and came out on top. They will be
emboldened to continue their war against Israel and U.S. troops in
Iraq at a fevered pitch. Iran smells Western weakness and will forge
ahead with its nuclear ambitions.

And terrorists in the West Bank and Gaza are foaming at the mouth.
Today, Abu Aziz, second-in-command of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades
terror group, told WorldNetDaily that Hezbollah's victory leads him to
believe the end of Israel is in sight. He said he realizes now is the
time to "attack Israel from all directions."

And so the enemies of the U.S. and Israel are poised for another war.
They smell victory, and why shouldn't they? The last month
demonstrated that with weak Israeli leadership in place, the Jewish
state can be defeated.


[url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51519[/url]


--

Scott in Florida

'The Land of the Free Thanks to the Brave'

Scott in Florida wrote:[color=blue]
> This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
>
> Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.
>
> Never let a liberal control anything....
>
>[/color]

Are you under some delusion that you have any idea what you're babbling
about?
You are somewhat entertaining, you make Cliff Claven look informed.

BTW, Olmert's Likud party is the Right wing political party in Israel.

BTW keep these mindless posts coming, you're making all us "libs" look
smarter every day!

The right wingers are in power in Israel. They screwed up just like Bush.


"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:aacne2tqf8a98b7k0keffgnagshm04fptb@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
>
> Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.
>
> Never let a liberal control anything....
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> JERUSALEM - In the coming days, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his
> government ministers will attempt to persuade Israeli voters and the
> international community that Israel achieved its political and
> military objectives during its campaign in Lebanon.
>
> Olmert will likely claim Hezbollah's capabilities have been minimized;
> a strong, armed force will soon be deployed in south Lebanon capable
> of contending with Hezbollah; and that the political momentum for a
> new Middle East settlement is now on Israel's side.
>
> In actuality, these claims couldn't be further from the truth. Israel
> lost the war in Lebanon on all fronts. This is so largely because
> Olmert refused to allow the Israeli Defense Forces to do its job.
>
> Days after Hezbollah provoked Israel last month by firing rockets into
> Jewish towns and by ambushing an Israeli military patrol unit killing
> 8 soldiers and kidnapping two others, the IDF presented Olmert with
> several battle plans it says could have devastated Hezbollah within an
> estimated three weeks.
>
> The plans, drawn up and improved upon over the course of several
> years, called for an immediate air campaign against Hezbollah
> strongholds in south Beirut; aerial bombardment of key sections of the
> Lebanese-Syria border to ensure the kidnapped soldiers were not
> transported out of the country and to halt Syrian re-supply of arms to
> Hezbollah; and the deployment of up to 40,000 ground troops to advance
> immediately to the Latani River - taking up the swath of territory
> from which most Hezbollah rockets are fired - and from there work
> their way back to the Israeli border while surrounding and then
> cleaning out Hezbollah strongholds under heavy aerial cover.
>
> To the dismay of military officials here, Olmert did not approve the
> plan. He initially allowed only a limited air campaign that focused on
> some high-profile Hezbollah targets, the Beirut airport and roads that
> led from Beirut into Syria. But the main smuggling routes between
> Syria and Lebanon, sites very well known to Israeli intelligence, were
> essentially off limits to the Israeli Air Force because Olmert didn't
> want his army operating too close to Syria for fear it would bring
> Damascus into the conflict.
>
> IDF suffers from lack of troops in Lebanon, insufficient air coverage
>
> When Hezbollah met Israel's air campaign with massive rocket attacks
> against northern Israeli communities, the IDF again presented Olmert
> with a plan for a large ground deployment to the Latani River. The
> Israeli Prime Minister - under heavy pressure to step up operations in
> response to Hezbollah rocket fire - approved only a smaller ground
> offensive of up to 8,000 soldiers who were not allowed to advance to
> the Latani.
>
> The IDF was directed to clean out Hezbollah's bases within about three
> miles of the Israeli border. Small forces, though, did advance further
> while isolated special operations were carried out deep inside
> Lebanon.
>
> Afraid of being accused of using excessive force and firing
> indiscriminately into population centers - charges leveled at the
> Jewish state anyway - Olmert limited the IAF to strategic bombings
> only. The air force was not allowed to clear the way for ground troops
> to enter.
>
> And so the IDF - with a force one fourth the size it asked for -
> engaged in heated, often face-to-face combat over the course of weeks
> with a well-trained, well-armed Hezbollah militia that had planned
> with Iran for up to six years for this battle.
>
> Israeli soldiers found themselves up against Hezbollah gunmen who
> fought in civilian clothing and hid behind local civilian populations.
> Well-orchestrated Hezbollah ambushes took tolls on troop battalions.
> Iranian-supplied advanced anti-tank missiles proved extremely
> effective against Israeli combat vehicles.
>
> The IDF suffered in very specific ways on the battlefield because of a
> lack of enough ground troops.
>
> One example was a battle that began July 25. The Israeli army
> attempted to strangle Bint Jbail, a town of about 30,000 commonly
> called the "Hezbollah capital" of south Lebanon. Because there were
> not enough troops to completely surround the strategic village, Bint
> Jbail's northern entrance was not sealed off, and, according to army
> sources, hundreds of Hezbollah fighters were able to infiltrate and
> join with the already 150 or so gunmen inside. The IDF had to contend
> with a larger Hezbollah contingent as a result. Nine soldiers were
> lost in heavy fighting the next day. Another 14 soldiers were killed
> at Bint Jbail the next two weeks.
>
> On several occasions the past few weeks, while heavy diplomacy looked
> to be gaining momentum, such as during Secretary of State Condoleeza
> Rice's visits here, the IDF was actually asked by the political
> echelon to halt most operations and troop advances for up to 36 hours
> while negotiations ran their course.
>
> Military leaders now charge that some troop battalions, instructed to
> hold positions outside villages but not to advance, actually became
> sitting ducks for Hezbollah anti-tank fire, which killed at least 35
> Israeli soldiers. After the diplomacy failed, soldiers were ordered to
> carry on. This piece of information will likely be brought to light by
> commissions of inquiry already initiated into the performance of the
> IDF and the culpability of Israel's political leadership.
>
> Hezbollah showed other impressive gains. In what Israel admitted was a
> major blow to its navy, Hezbollah during the initial fighting hit an
> Israeli naval ship with an Iranian Silkworm C-802 radar-guided
> anti-ship cruise missile, killing four soldiers and damaging the
> warship. It was the first time the missile had been introduced into
> the battle with Israel. Military officials here said the Israeli
> ship's radar system was not calibrated to detect the Silkworm, which
> is equipped with an advanced anti-tracking system.
>
> Olmert turns down 'necessary' military ops
>
> WorldNetDaily was made aware by senior military officials of several
> meetings in which IDF officials petitioned Olmert and Defense Minister
> Amir Peretz for a larger ground force and for more heavy aerial cover,
> or at least for ground troops already in Lebanon to be authorized to
> reach the Latani River in hopes of cleaning out the villages nearby
> such as Tyre, from which many rockets are launched into Israel.
>
> The petitions came more frequently as Hezbollah rockets landed further
> and further south inside Israel.
>
> Tens of thousands of troops were put on standby in northern Israel,
> but were not allowed to enter Lebanon.
>
> The smaller IDF numbers on the ground in Lebanon carried on,
> eventually with instructions to create a buffer zone of about 3 miles
> within which the Hezbollah infrastructure would be entirely wiped out.
> The zone would do little to stop rocket fire into northern Israel,
> since most rockets were fired from positions deeper inside south
> Lebanon.
>
> Officials say the IAF was still restrained from targeting key
> positions close to the Syrian border in the Bekaa Valley from which
> intelligence officials say Hezbollah received regular shipments of
> rockets and other heavy weaponry originating in Iran and transported
> via Syria. Israel bombed roads in the area a few kilometers from
> Syria, but many weapons smuggling routes at the border remained
> intact.
>
> While Syria placed its military on high alert, Olmert told reporters
> several times Israel had no intention of bringing Damascus into the
> war.
>
> Last weekend, after Hezbollah rockets killed a record 15 civilians in
> one day, Olmert's cabinet finally gave the green light for an enormous
> IDF ground invasion and for an advance to the Latani River.
>
> Many military officials here told me they were elated the IDF would at
> last be given the freedom to do what it had wanted to do nearly one
> month ago.
>
> The cabinet, though, left the timing of the new operation to Olmert,
> who held the advance back until Thursday morning. By Thursday evening,
> the IDF, which charged ahead from four main fronts, reached the Latani
> River and even beyond in full force and prepared for an intense battle
> to overtake the areas used by Hezbollah to fire rockets. The IDF
> estimated it would need another four to six weeks to successfully wipe
> out the Hezbollah infrastructure in the areas.
>
> But a day later a cease-fire resolution was adapted. The U.S., perhaps
> wanting to cut its losses after Israel's month-long poor performance,
> supported a cessation of military activities in Lebanon.
>
> Hezbollah remains intact, Israel's enemies emboldened
>
> The IDF continued its advance until this morning, beginning to clear
> out some villages. But not nearly enough gains were made, as was amply
> demonstrated yesterday when Hezbollah fired over 240 rockets - its
> largest one-day volley yet - into northern Israel, killing one
> civilian and wounding at least 26 others.
>
> Now the cease-fire is being implemented. Perhaps it will hold, perhaps
> it won't. Either way, Hezbollah has won the war. It put up an
> incredible fight against IDF forces paralyzed by Israel's leadership.
> The terror group maintains a good deal of its infrastructure in south
> Lebanon and still has the ability to fire hundreds of rockets per day
> into Israel.
>
> Even if Israel restarts its larger offensive, Hezbollah still can
> regain the initiative by carrying out larger escalations, such as
> firing its long-range Zelzal rockets into Tel Aviv.
>
> Hezbollah is ecstatic about the deployment of "15,000 soldiers" from
> the Lebanese Army to replace Israeli troops in south Lebanon. The
> Lebanese Army doesn't have 15,000 standing troops. Aside from a small
> air force pool, the Army doesn't have a reserve unit from which it can
> call up large numbers.
>
> The plan, according to Lebanese officials, is to recall Lebanese
> soldiers who served during the past 5 years, which means many
> out-of-shape, unprepared ex-soldiers will be charged with protecting
> the Israeli border. Take into account the sectarian divisions of the
> split Shiite-Sunni Lebanese Army - with many soldiers sympathetic to
> Hezbollah's cause - and you have a force that will, at best, do little
> to contend with Hezbollah, and at worst prompt an internal civil war.
> Not to mention, the Lebanese Army is poorly armed and ill-equipped.
>
> The cease-fire call for the establishment of a backed-up United
> Nations force in south Lebanon is also taken as a victory for
> Hezbollah. The terror group does not believe any international force
> will be willing to die to defend Israel's borders or that it will have
> the ability to block the group's re-supply routes between Syria and
> Lebanon. Hezbollah knows that if the IDF couldn't defeat it, European
> forces, led by countries opposed to Israel's Lebanon campaign, will be
> no match.
>
> For Israel, an international force on its borders will impede the
> ability of the IDF to operate with freedom during any future conflict
> with Hezbollah.
>
> The Jewish state's credibility took a massive toll when Olmert agreed
> to the current cease-fire calling for negotiations at a later date for
> the two soldiers Hezbollah kidnapped. Olmert had repeatedly vowed the
> war would only stop after Hezbollah returned the abducted Israeli
> troops, and now the prime minister is ending the war without even
> vague promises of the soldiers' assured safety or indications they are
> alive. Hezbollah sees this as a victory.
>
> The cease-fire places the Shebba Farms, territory held by Israel but
> claimed by Hezbollah, up for future negotiations, granting Hezbollah
> the ability to claim its fighting brought international legitimacy to
> its territorial demands.
>
> The cease-fire doesn't place an immediate arms embargo on Hezbollah,
> but only calls for future talks on stopping weapons transfers to the
> terror group. This leaves Syria and Iran free to rearm and regroup
> Hezbollah.
>
> The two state sponsors of Hezbollah, Syria and Iran learned during the
> last month that they can orchestrate a proxy war against America's
> Middle East ally at no cost to their regimes. They engineered a tough
> fight against Israeli forces and came out on top. They will be
> emboldened to continue their war against Israel and U.S. troops in
> Iraq at a fevered pitch. Iran smells Western weakness and will forge
> ahead with its nuclear ambitions.
>
> And terrorists in the West Bank and Gaza are foaming at the mouth.
> Today, Abu Aziz, second-in-command of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades
> terror group, told WorldNetDaily that Hezbollah's victory leads him to
> believe the end of Israel is in sight. He said he realizes now is the
> time to "attack Israel from all directions."
>
> And so the enemies of the U.S. and Israel are poised for another war.
> They smell victory, and why shouldn't they? The last month
> demonstrated that with weak Israeli leadership in place, the Jewish
> state can be defeated.
>
>
> [url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51519[/url]
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>
> 'The Land of the Free Thanks to the Brave'[/color]

Scott in Florida wrote:
[color=blue]
> This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
>
> Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.[/color]

You Americans should probably note that there is no war on
terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.

That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
something.


--
// Janne

"Janne Karhunen" <Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%4nHg.10898$UI5.9057@reader1.news.jippii.net...[color=blue]
> Scott in Florida wrote:
>[color=green]
>> This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
>>
>> Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.[/color]
>
> You Americans[/color]

*Some* of us Americans. Others don't buy the smoke & mirrors stuff, no
matter the spin they try to put on it.

Cathy

Cathy should probably note that there is no war on[color=blue]
> terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
> to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
> around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.
>
> That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
> Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
> afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
> questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
> cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
> something.
>
>
> --
> // Janne[/color]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:27:56 +0300, Janne Karhunen
<Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Scott in Florida wrote:
>[color=green]
>> This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
>>
>> Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.[/color]
>
>You Americans should probably note that there is no war on
>terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
>to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
>around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.
>
>That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
>Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
>afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
>questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
>cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
>something.[/color]

On the other hand, terrorism is a real problem, is increasing, and is
now being targetted at the US. So I'd think it's natural to want to do
something about it. Or do you people in Finland just not worry about
it? Maybe the terrorists are all from warm countries and they freeze
up in your climate? :-)

In article <%4nHg.10898$UI5.9057@reader1.news.jippii.net>,
Janne Karhunen <Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Scott in Florida wrote:
>[color=green]
> > This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
> >
> > Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.[/color]
>
> You Americans should probably note that there is no war on
> terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
> to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
> around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.
>
> That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
> Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
> afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
> questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
> cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
> something.[/color]

Over here we Americans are the government and we decided to go after
terrorists where ever in hell they may be.

Have a terrorist kill 3000 of your innocent citizens and you will want
to kill them. This is what we are doing and as long as GWB is running
the place we will continue to pursue the bastards where every they may
be. GWB has my full support in this endeavor.
--

In article <GI6dnbE2o85rYnDZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Janne Karhunen" <Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%4nHg.10898$UI5.9057@reader1.news.jippii.net...[color=green]
> > Scott in Florida wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
> >>
> >> Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.[/color]
> >
> > You Americans[/color]
>
> *Some* of us Americans. Others don't buy the smoke & mirrors stuff, no
> matter the spin they try to put on it.
>
> Cathy[/color]

Are you one of those that posted "so sorry world" on the so sorry dot
com web site. It was funny, some of my buddies were quite humored by it.


[color=blue]
>
> Cathy should probably note that there is no war on[color=green]
> > terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
> > to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
> > around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.
> >
> > That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
> > Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
> > afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
> > questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
> > cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
> > something.
> >
> >
> > --
> > // Janne[/color][/color]
--

" .dbu," <howard@dynoisadork.com> wrote in message
news:howard-75D718.16013224082006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <GI6dnbE2o85rYnDZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
> "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Janne Karhunen" <Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%4nHg.10898$UI5.9057@reader1.news.jippii.net...[color=darkred]
>> > Scott in Florida wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.
>> >
>> > You Americans[/color]
>>
>> *Some* of us Americans. Others don't buy the smoke & mirrors stuff, no
>> matter the spin they try to put on it.
>>
>> Cathy[/color]
>
> Are you one of those that posted "so sorry world" on the so sorry dot
> com web site. It was funny, some of my buddies were quite humored by it.[/color]

I don't have any idea what website or postings you're talking about.

I was pointing out that not all Americans can be lumped together - we don't
all think alike - as pretty much evidenced in the OT threads in this ng
alone! That not all of us are in agreement w/ the policies of the President
in office.

Cathy

[color=blue]
>
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> Cathy should probably note that there is no war on[color=darkred]
>> > terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
>> > to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
>> > around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.
>> >
>> > That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
>> > Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
>> > afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
>> > questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
>> > cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
>> > something.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > // Janne[/color][/color]
> --
>[/color]

"Janne Karhunen" <Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%4nHg.10898$UI5.9057@reader1.news.jippii.net...[color=blue]
> Scott in Florida wrote:
>[color=green]
>> This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
>>
>> Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.[/color]
>
> You Americans should probably note that there is no war on
> terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
> to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
> around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.
>
> That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
> Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
> afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
> questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
> cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
> something.
>
>
> --
> // Janne[/color]

Actually it is the incumbant Bush administration that is exploiting fear and
terrrorism. They have spent billions and have accomplished very little
other than making a mess in Iraq for the enjoyment of Iran, and Syria.

" .dbu," <howard@dynoisadork.com> wrote in message
news:howard-7F28EE.15595224082006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <%4nHg.10898$UI5.9057@reader1.news.jippii.net>,
> Janne Karhunen <Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Scott in Florida wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
>> >
>> > Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.[/color]
>>
>> You Americans should probably note that there is no war on
>> terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
>> to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
>> around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.
>>
>> That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
>> Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
>> afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
>> questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
>> cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
>> something.[/color]
>
> Over here we Americans are the government and we decided to go after
> terrorists where ever in hell they may be.
>
> Have a terrorist kill 3000 of your innocent citizens and you will want
> to kill them. This is what we are doing and as long as GWB is running
> the place we will continue to pursue the bastards where every they may
> be. GWB has my full support in this endeavor.
> --
>[/color]

I would support him too if he was actually accomplishing what you claim.
Unfortunately he made a complete mess of it.

"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:oopHg.13462$xp2.3618@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
>
> "Janne Karhunen" <Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%4nHg.10898$UI5.9057@reader1.news.jippii.net...[color=green]
>> Scott in Florida wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
>>>
>>> Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.[/color]
>>
>> You Americans should probably note that there is no war on
>> terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
>> to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
>> around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.
>>
>> That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
>> Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
>> afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
>> questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
>> cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
>> something.
>>
>>
>> --
>> // Janne[/color]
>
> Actually it is the incumbant Bush administration that is exploiting fear
> and terrrorism. They have spent billions and have accomplished very
> little other than making a mess in Iraq for the enjoyment of Iran, and
> Syria.[/color]

Ah - you said it much better than I.

Cathy
[color=blue]
>
>[/color]

In article <5NWdneOfrulehXPZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
"Cathy F." <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> " .dbu," <howard@dynoisadork.com> wrote in message
> news:howard-75D718.16013224082006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=green]
> > In article <GI6dnbE2o85rYnDZnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@adelphia.com>,
> > "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "Janne Karhunen" <Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:%4nHg.10898$UI5.9057@reader1.news.jippii.net...
> >> > Scott in Florida wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.
> >> >
> >> > You Americans
> >>
> >> *Some* of us Americans. Others don't buy the smoke & mirrors stuff, no
> >> matter the spin they try to put on it.
> >>
> >> Cathy[/color]
> >
> > Are you one of those that posted "so sorry world" on the so sorry dot
> > com web site. It was funny, some of my buddies were quite humored by it.[/color]
>
> I don't have any idea what website or postings you're talking about.
>
> I was pointing out that not all Americans can be lumped together - we don't
> all think alike - as pretty much evidenced in the OT threads in this ng
> alone! That not all of us are in agreement w/ the policies of the President
> in office.
>
> Cathy[/color]

No matter. It was just another one of those political web sites.

I surely agree with your last para. We are not robots.
--

In article <EqpHg.13464$xp2.9742@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> " .dbu," <howard@dynoisadork.com> wrote in message
> news:howard-7F28EE.15595224082006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=green]
> > In article <%4nHg.10898$UI5.9057@reader1.news.jippii.net>,
> > Janne Karhunen <Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Scott in Florida wrote:
> >>
> >> > This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.
> >>
> >> You Americans should probably note that there is no war on
> >> terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
> >> to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
> >> around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.
> >>
> >> That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
> >> Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
> >> afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
> >> questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
> >> cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
> >> something.[/color]
> >
> > Over here we Americans are the government and we decided to go after
> > terrorists where ever in hell they may be.
> >
> > Have a terrorist kill 3000 of your innocent citizens and you will want
> > to kill them. This is what we are doing and as long as GWB is running
> > the place we will continue to pursue the bastards where every they may
> > be. GWB has my full support in this endeavor.
> > --
> >[/color]
>
> I would support him too if he was actually accomplishing what you claim.
> Unfortunately he made a complete mess of it.[/color]

The progress has been slower than most anticipated or wished for, but we
are not robots and neither are they, the terrorists.

Take the weather for example, we can forecast ahead for a number of
days, maybe a week, but ma nature has a way of proving us wrong. It's
called science, but it's more like art, LOL.
--

" .dbu," <howard@dynoisadork.com> wrote in message
news:howard-F02E1E.18092724082006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=blue]
> In article <EqpHg.13464$xp2.9742@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> " .dbu," <howard@dynoisadork.com> wrote in message
>> news:howard-7F28EE.15595224082006@news-rdr-03.rdc-kc.rr.com...[color=darkred]
>> > In article <%4nHg.10898$UI5.9057@reader1.news.jippii.net>,
>> > Janne Karhunen <Janne.Karhunen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Scott in Florida wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > This is what happens when you let leftists run your government.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks libs....you made the war on terrorists a lot harder.
>> >>
>> >> You Americans should probably note that there is no war on
>> >> terror. Really. It's something that your government made up
>> >> to ramp up your defense budgets to try to build an 'empire'
>> >> around the fact that US is the sole remaining 'superpower'.
>> >>
>> >> That said, it seems that in US fear sells better than sex.
>> >> Your government seems to be telling you 'be afraid, be very
>> >> afraid' so that none of the government actions would be
>> >> questioned. 'Terrorism' is a very handy tool here. Can't
>> >> cry for communists anymore, so I guess they had to invent
>> >> something.
>> >
>> > Over here we Americans are the government and we decided to go after
>> > terrorists where ever in hell they may be.
>> >
>> > Have a terrorist kill 3000 of your innocent citizens and you will want
>> > to kill them. This is what we are doing and as long as GWB is running
>> > the place we will continue to pursue the bastards where every they may
>> > be. GWB has my full support in this endeavor.
>> > --
>> >[/color]
>>
>> I would support him too if he was actually accomplishing what you claim.
>> Unfortunately he made a complete mess of it.[/color]
>
> The progress has been slower[/color]

Slower? That's putting it mildly. Since the fall of Saddam, it's been a
downright messy quagmire, with more & more deaths on both sides (incl. Iraqi
politicians, police, & civilians), & insurgencies galore. I don't think
there was ever a plan - or alternative plans - made for the
probable/possible ensuing scenarios (after "mission accomplished").

Cathy


than most anticipated or wished for, but we[color=blue]
> are not robots and neither are they, the terrorists.
>
> Take the weather for example, we can forecast ahead for a number of
> days, maybe a week, but ma nature has a way of proving us wrong. It's
> called science, but it's more like art, LOL.[/color]

[color=blue]
> --
>[/color]