Toyota quality going downhill

Told you so.....

[url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/25/news/international/bc.autos.japan.toyota.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes[/url]

You are so incredibly clueless Art.

Toyota has always been willing to slow or stop production to highlight
and fix problems as they occur and not "inspect them out" of the
finished product. That is the heart of the philosophy behind
just-in-time manufacturing that has made them so successfull and which
they have been practicing and refining for 30 years or more. Contrast
that to manufacturers who send their products out the door before they
are ready (i.e. the Focus).


Art wrote:[color=blue]
> Told you so.....
>
> [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/25/news/international/bc.autos.japan.toyota.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes[/url][/color]

Mark wrote:[color=blue]
> You are so incredibly clueless Art.
>[/color]

Art is overstating the case re. Toyota quality but where there's smoke
there's fire, see

[url]http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060731/AUTO01/607310359/1148[/url]

this article makes it clear that Toyota's quality is improving but the
number of recalls has doubled between 2004 and 2005 and there's
evidence of slipping quality control as Toyota strives to produce more
cars. On the other hand, a lot of the recalls are for cars more than a
few years old showing Toyota is using repair data to discover latent
defects.

My personal experience with Toyota solutions for defects (transmission)
is excellent, much better than Honda.

ACAR wrote:
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> My personal experience with Toyota solutions for defects (transmission)
> is excellent, much better than Honda.[/color]

Actually, Honda has done quite a bit with their V6 tranny struggles too;
they've extended warranties and issued recalls (depending on the tranny).
Unlike Ford and Crapsler, who did nothing.

But as has been said before, the number of Toyota recalls may be on the
rise, but it only shows that they are committed to fixing the problems.
Again, unlike the big 3.

In article <waCHg.10165$Qf.7234@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"Art" <begunaNOSPAMPLEASE@mindspring.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Told you so.....
>
> [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/25/news/international/bc.autos.japan.toyota.reut/[/url]
> index.htm?cnn=yes[/color]

Art playing the devils advocate again.
--

If you consider recalls as a committment to fix problems, clearly GM and
Ford are the world leaders.


"High Tech Misfit" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:13ncrp09tur25.dlg@hightech.misfit...[color=blue]
> ACAR wrote:
>[color=green]
>> My personal experience with Toyota solutions for defects (transmission)
>> is excellent, much better than Honda.[/color]
>
> Actually, Honda has done quite a bit with their V6 tranny struggles too;
> they've extended warranties and issued recalls (depending on the tranny).
> Unlike Ford and Crapsler, who did nothing.
>
> But as has been said before, the number of Toyota recalls may be on the
> rise, but it only shows that they are committed to fixing the problems.
> Again, unlike the big 3.[/color]

the focus isnt a bad car, i own one.
the problem is the mexican labor, some foci were put together by morons
and others were put together on a better shift.
mine hasnt had anything but a fuel pump replaced and it sure as heck
aint left me stranded like a chevy or a dodge or even a taurus would
lol.
while its no yota, it aint a bad car if ya get a good one, the main
focus problem is electrical fires and the dealer can check your wires
and replace them for free.
the focus wasnt sent out the door before it was ready but have you ever
driven a newer land rover, them things should come from the dealership
with a toolset and an engine left.
Mark wrote:[color=blue]
> You are so incredibly clueless Art.
>
> Toyota has always been willing to slow or stop production to highlight
> and fix problems as they occur and not "inspect them out" of the
> finished product. That is the heart of the philosophy behind
> just-in-time manufacturing that has made them so successfull and which
> they have been practicing and refining for 30 years or more. Contrast
> that to manufacturers who send their products out the door before they
> are ready (i.e. the Focus).
>
>
> Art wrote:[color=green]
> > Told you so.....
> >
> > [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/25/news/international/bc.autos.japan.toyota.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes[/url][/color][/color]

A friend has a Focus he bought used. One heck of a fun car to drive even
though the reviewers claim it is somewhat dated.


"Pop-N-Fresh" <linux.server@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1156518950.604102.6960@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> the focus isnt a bad car, i own one.
> the problem is the mexican labor, some foci were put together by morons
> and others were put together on a better shift.
> mine hasnt had anything but a fuel pump replaced and it sure as heck
> aint left me stranded like a chevy or a dodge or even a taurus would
> lol.
> while its no yota, it aint a bad car if ya get a good one, the main
> focus problem is electrical fires and the dealer can check your wires
> and replace them for free.
> the focus wasnt sent out the door before it was ready but have you ever
> driven a newer land rover, them things should come from the dealership
> with a toolset and an engine left.
> Mark wrote:[color=green]
>> You are so incredibly clueless Art.
>>
>> Toyota has always been willing to slow or stop production to highlight
>> and fix problems as they occur and not "inspect them out" of the
>> finished product. That is the heart of the philosophy behind
>> just-in-time manufacturing that has made them so successfull and which
>> they have been practicing and refining for 30 years or more. Contrast
>> that to manufacturers who send their products out the door before they
>> are ready (i.e. the Focus).
>>
>>
>> Art wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > Told you so.....
>> >
>> > [url]http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/25/news/international/bc.autos.japan.toyota.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes[/url][/color][/color]
>[/color]

Despite its problems, the Focus has consistently made "best of" lists in
its class ... but I can remember reading that it is also the most
recalled vehicle in its class. Still, the Focus compares favorably to
the Toyota Corolla, which is not exactly outstanding in ANY respect.
IMHO The new Honda Civic easily trumps both. XY

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:16:52 GMT, Scott in Florida
<askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:50:37 -0500, [email]XYZoo@webtv.net[/email] (X Y) wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Despite its problems, the Focus has consistently made "best of" lists in
>>its class ... but I can remember reading that it is also the most
>>recalled vehicle in its class. Still, the Focus compares favorably to
>>the Toyota Corolla, which is not exactly outstanding in ANY respect.
>>IMHO The new Honda Civic easily trumps both. XY[/color]
>
>My '92 Corolla Wagon is outstanding in everything it does!
>
>It is still in 'like new' condition.
>
>When you beloved FORD Focus gets to 200,000 miles and looks and drives
>as good as my Corolla, get back to me...[/color]

Up here in Ohio they salt the roads, so Toyotas rust before they die
mechanically. :-(

The Ford Focus is a little shitbox. I don't know how they can sell
them, unless they're really inexpensive or something.

The Corolla is far better than the Focus. The only Ford product I
would even consider is a pickup truck, and I'm not sure they'll even
have that market for long.

Hondas are nice, but I'm not so sure they "trump" Toyotas. I think
they're pretty close in terms of quality.

"Stuart Krivis" <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote in message
news:37oue2hm6j5966n9ao49anfbak0hst1bkn@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:16:52 GMT, Scott in Florida
> <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:50:37 -0500, [email]XYZoo@webtv.net[/email] (X Y) wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Despite its problems, the Focus has consistently made "best of" lists in
>>>its class ... but I can remember reading that it is also the most
>>>recalled vehicle in its class. Still, the Focus compares favorably to
>>>the Toyota Corolla, which is not exactly outstanding in ANY respect.
>>>IMHO The new Honda Civic easily trumps both. XY[/color]
>>
>>My '92 Corolla Wagon is outstanding in everything it does!
>>
>>It is still in 'like new' condition.
>>
>>When you beloved FORD Focus gets to 200,000 miles and looks and drives
>>as good as my Corolla, get back to me...[/color]
>
> Up here in Ohio they salt the roads, so Toyotas rust before they die
> mechanically. :-([/color]

That's the problem in the nation's snowbelts - the road salt eats the body
well before the car dies a natural death.
[color=blue]
> The Ford Focus is a little shitbox. I don't know how they can sell
> them, unless they're really inexpensive or something.[/color]

I know nothing about them, so checked an old ('05) new car (that sounds like
an oxymoron, although it isn't!) review mag I still had hanging around; it
gave generally good marks for the Focus; as compared w/ the Corolla it was
littler & the gas mileage wasn't as good as the Corolla's. In other aspects
they appeared to be about equal, customer satisfaction-wise. Price-wise, the
Focus ranged a little less, not that much.
[color=blue]
>
> The Corolla is far better than the Focus. The only Ford product I
> would even consider is a pickup truck, and I'm not sure they'll even
> have that market for long.
>
> Hondas are nice, but I'm not so sure they "trump" Toyotas. I think
> they're pretty close in terms of quality.[/color]

I really think with the Hondas & Toyotas that it's a toss-up re: quality &
reliability - that it just comes down to personal preferences.

Cathy

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>
>
>[/color]

Pop-N-Fresh wrote:
[color=blue]
> the focus isnt a bad car, i own one.
> the problem is the mexican labor, some foci were put together by morons
> and others were put together on a better shift.[/color]

If it came from Hermosillo, the probably likely wasn't Mexican labor
but Ford design and production, and for the old Escort Hermosillo
actually had better quality than its U.S. factories.

Tribune Newspapers headline 8/24/ 06; "Toyota stumbles on quality" Byline;
Toyota shares fall with latest recall.of nearly a half million Siennas.
Toyota is having increasing quality control problems as sales ramp up. The
Sienna recall on top of the investigation that Toyota tried to cover up a
known steering problem, on nearly a million vehicles, is leading to the
delay of some new models. Surprise surprise, dare we say that the king has
no cloths? Toyota makes some that are not up to snuff on occasion, just
like every other manufacture, not better no worse. ;)


mike hunt


"Stuart Krivis" <jd@mongo.krivis.com> wrote in message
news:37oue2hm6j5966n9ao49anfbak0hst1bkn@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:16:52 GMT, Scott in Florida
> <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote:
>
> Hondas are nice, but I'm not so sure they "trump" Toyotas. I think
> they're pretty close in terms of quality.
>
>
>[/color]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:58:51 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Tribune Newspapers headline 8/24/ 06; "Toyota stumbles on quality" Byline;
>Toyota shares fall with latest recall.of nearly a half million Siennas.
>Toyota is having increasing quality control problems as sales ramp up. The
>Sienna recall on top of the investigation that Toyota tried to cover up a
>known steering problem, on nearly a million vehicles, is leading to the
>delay of some new models. Surprise surprise, dare we say that the king has
>no cloths? Toyota makes some that are not up to snuff on occasion, just
>like every other manufacture, not better no worse. ;)
>
>
>mike hunt[/color]

Guess I had better try to buy my old Escort back....the one that
burned...



--

Scott in Florida

'The Land of the Free Thanks to the Brave'

Scott, you haven't bought a new Toyota in years. How would you know
anything about current quality.


"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant@mindspring.net> wrote in message
news:a1a1f2lpf2pdbh0rr02ririj5ri82taj94@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:58:51 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
> <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Tribune Newspapers headline 8/24/ 06; "Toyota stumbles on quality"
>>Byline;
>>Toyota shares fall with latest recall.of nearly a half million Siennas.
>>Toyota is having increasing quality control problems as sales ramp up.
>>The
>>Sienna recall on top of the investigation that Toyota tried to cover up a
>>known steering problem, on nearly a million vehicles, is leading to the
>>delay of some new models. Surprise surprise, dare we say that the king
>>has
>>no cloths? Toyota makes some that are not up to snuff on occasion, just
>>like every other manufacture, not better no worse. ;)
>>
>>
>>mike hunt[/color]
>
> Guess I had better try to buy my old Escort back....the one that
> burned...
>
>
>
> --
>
> Scott in Florida
>
> 'The Land of the Free Thanks to the Brave'[/color]