Recharge with Duracool: good idea?

I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:48:34 -0500, geronimo wrote:
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> I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
> recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
> Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
> I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
> my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
> except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
> Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo[/color]

NICE! Recharge a perhaps leaky system with something flammable, in the
engine bay?

I need to ask: is this a SERIOUS question, do you really not know, or are
you a Troll?

Perhaps it's my own ignorance of whatever DuraCool is, but putting a
combustible mixture in an area with sparks, heat and gasoline doesn't make
a whole lot of sense to me!!! Especially if you think there may be leaks...

Do you play Russian Roulette in your spare time?

Somebody educate me on this?

"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:cKZHg.31$ag4.1@trndny09...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:48:34 -0500, geronimo wrote:
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>> I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
>> recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
>> Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
>> I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
>> my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
>> except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
>> Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo[/color]
>
> NICE! Recharge a perhaps leaky system with something flammable, in the
> engine bay?
>
> I need to ask: is this a SERIOUS question, do you really not know, or are
> you a Troll?
>
> Perhaps it's my own ignorance of whatever DuraCool is, but putting a
> combustible mixture in an area with sparks, heat and gasoline doesn't make
> a whole lot of sense to me!!! Especially if you think there may be
> leaks...
>
> Do you play Russian Roulette in your spare time?
>
> Somebody educate me on this?[/color]

Maybe he's the guy who wants to disable his seat belt alarm....and loves to
live dangerously.

"geronimo" <Jamesw@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:6f20f25sqpem86m8sclo234k9ck750n7l6@4ax.com...[color=blue]
>I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
> recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
> Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
> I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
> my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
> except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
> Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo[/color]

No. get a professional to check, fix and recharge with the right gas for
the system.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:33:07 -0700, mack wrote:
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>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:cKZHg.31$ag4.1@trndny09...[color=green]
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:48:34 -0500, geronimo wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
>>> recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
>>> Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
>>> I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
>>> my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
>>> except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
>>> Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo[/color]
>>
>> NICE! Recharge a perhaps leaky system with something flammable, in the
>> engine bay?
>>
>> I need to ask: is this a SERIOUS question, do you really not know, or are
>> you a Troll?
>>
>> Perhaps it's my own ignorance of whatever DuraCool is, but putting a
>> combustible mixture in an area with sparks, heat and gasoline doesn't make
>> a whole lot of sense to me!!! Especially if you think there may be
>> leaks...
>>
>> Do you play Russian Roulette in your spare time?
>>
>> Somebody educate me on this?[/color]
>
> Maybe he's the guy who wants to disable his seat belt alarm....and loves to
> live dangerously.[/color]


We can tell him how to disble the Airbags, too!

Because "mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> could, he/she/it opin'd:

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>Maybe he's the guy who wants to disable his seat belt alarm....and loves to
>live dangerously.[/color]

How can disabling a seat belt *alarm* in any way relate to living
dangerously? Disabling a seat BELT, yes, but to me the alarm is only
an irritation to tell me something I already know how to do every time
I drive in traffic.

I suppose if you were a motorcycle rider, you'd always ride in shorts,
tee-shirt, and flip flops, sans helmet, because there isn't an alarm
to remind you to put on proper safety gear when you ride.

Whatta dolt. Sheesh.

-Don
--
"What do *you* care what other people think?" --Arline Feynman

I have read that some of the "mix" coolants can work OK but the problems
start when a leak in the system occurrs. In the report I read, one gas
leaves faster in proportion to the other and you end up with the wrong mix
of coolant/lubricant and then the damage starts and the cooling decreases. I
don't have the article I read but none of the new blends were recommended
due to this problem.


"geronimo" <Jamesw@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:6f20f25sqpem86m8sclo234k9ck750n7l6@4ax.com...[color=blue]
>I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
> recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
> Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
> I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
> my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
> except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
> Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo[/color]

"geronimo" <Jamesw@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:6f20f25sqpem86m8sclo234k9ck750n7l6@4ax.com...[color=blue]
>I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
> recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
> Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
> I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
> my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
> except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
> Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo[/color]

According to the MSDS on Duracool's web site,
[url]http://www.deepfreezeinc.ca/msds.htm[/url] it is a blend of some type of methane
and propane. Towards the bottom of the MSDS is an indication that the stuff
will burn. Other than that, the duracool.com site guarantees that the stuff
will not harm any component of your air conditioning system.

If your AC system has been in a discharged state for a while, I recommend
changing the receiver/drier because the desiccant inside is probably
saturated.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:04:04 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>
>"geronimo" <Jamesw@grandecom.net> wrote in message
>news:6f20f25sqpem86m8sclo234k9ck750n7l6@4ax.com...[color=green]
>>I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
>> recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
>> Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
>> I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
>> my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
>> except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
>> Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo[/color]
>
>According to the MSDS on Duracool's web site,
>[url]http://www.deepfreezeinc.ca/msds.htm[/url] it is a blend of some type of methane
>and propane. Towards the bottom of the MSDS is an indication that the stuff
>will burn. Other than that, the duracool.com site guarantees that the stuff
>will not harm any component of your air conditioning system.
>
>If your AC system has been in a discharged state for a while, I recommend
>changing the receiver/drier because the desiccant inside is probably
>saturated.[/color]


That type of desiccant is used?
Mike

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:13:43 GMT, "Roadrunner Newsgroup"
<RRNG@highlandcraft.com> wrote:
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>I have read that some of the "mix" coolants can work OK but the problems
>start when a leak in the system occurrs. In the report I read, one gas
>leaves faster in proportion to the other and you end up with the wrong mix
>of coolant/lubricant and then the damage starts and the cooling decreases. I
>don't have the article I read but none of the new blends were recommended
>due to this problem.[/color]

Back when I drove an Escort, I HAD to find good technicians in just
about every automotive discipline.

My air conditioner guy used to have to 'service' my piece of shit
Escort on a regular basis.

My '92 Corolla Wagon finally required service at about 180,000 miles.

He said 'Stick with R 12'

He got me a new Denso compressor and I'm cold as ice again.

If you have R12 stick with it....would be my advice...

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>
>
>"geronimo" <Jamesw@grandecom.net> wrote in message
>news:6f20f25sqpem86m8sclo234k9ck750n7l6@4ax.com...[color=green]
>>I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
>> recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
>> Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
>> I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
>> my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
>> except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
>> Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo[/color]
>[/color]

--

Scott in Florida

'The Land of the Free Thanks to the Brave'

"Mike J" <nospam@home.org> wrote in message
news:hps1f21qhvo2oui8potpe95mgut161k77e@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:04:04 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>>
>>"geronimo" <Jamesw@grandecom.net> wrote in message
>>news:6f20f25sqpem86m8sclo234k9ck750n7l6@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>>I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
>>> recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
>>> Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
>>> I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
>>> my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
>>> except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
>>> Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo[/color]
>>
>>According to the MSDS on Duracool's web site,
>>[url]http://www.deepfreezeinc.ca/msds.htm[/url] it is a blend of some type of methane
>>and propane. Towards the bottom of the MSDS is an indication that the
>>stuff
>>will burn. Other than that, the duracool.com site guarantees that the
>>stuff
>>will not harm any component of your air conditioning system.
>>
>>If your AC system has been in a discharged state for a while, I recommend
>>changing the receiver/drier because the desiccant inside is probably
>>saturated.[/color]
>
>
> That type of desiccant is used?
> Mike[/color]

The same stuff that comes packed with some electronics and Japanese rice
crackers - silica gel.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:02:38 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:[color=blue]
>"Mike J" <nospam@home.org> wrote in message
>news:hps1f21qhvo2oui8potpe95mgut161k77e@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:04:04 -0500, "Ray O"
>> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>If your AC system has been in a discharged state for a while, I recommend
>>>changing the receiver/drier because the desiccant inside is probably
>>>saturated.[/color]
>>
>> That type of desiccant is used?[/color]
>
>The same stuff that comes packed with some electronics and Japanese rice
>crackers - silica gel.[/color]

Yup, though it's usually the large granule form in a strainer sealed
inside the receiver tank, along with a filter element of some sort to
catch any dirt that gets in.

And on fixed refrigeration systems like at supermarkets, they put a
moisture indicating disc in the sight glass so you can see at a glance
when the system has been saturated. The disc is blue and everything's
OK, if it changes to pink you need to change the filter and check into
how the water got inside...

Next time I need one, I'm tempted to just use a regular old
refrigeration style filter/dryer with Flare connections and wangle up
a few line adapters to connect it - and add one of those nice big
sight glasses...

Wait for the raised eyebrows from the dealer mechanic, then remind
him that the refrigeration part is $20, and they wanted $100+ for
functionally the exact same thing.

--<< Bruce >>--

geronimo wrote:
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>I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
>recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.[/color]

Why do you think the refrigeration industry went to so much trouble to
develop nontoxic, nonflammable refrigerants in the 1920s if
propane/butane was so good?

Either stay with 100% Freon R-12 or switch to 100% R-134a. Proper
R-134a conversion at the very least consists of fixing the leaks,
switching to compatible materials (o-rings, shaft seals, dissicant),
draining out all the old oil, and adjusting the evaporator pressure
cycling switch to turn off at 4 PSI less than for R-12. But it's
better to also switch to an orfice tube calibrated for R-134a. If you
live in a very hot climate, try window tint, or install a
high-efficiency flat-tube condenser.

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:44:07 +0000, Scott in Florida wrote:
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> On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:13:43 GMT, "Roadrunner Newsgroup"
> <RRNG@highlandcraft.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I have read that some of the "mix" coolants can work OK but the problems
>>start when a leak in the system occurrs. In the report I read, one gas
>>leaves faster in proportion to the other and you end up with the wrong mix
>>of coolant/lubricant and then the damage starts and the cooling decreases. I
>>don't have the article I read but none of the new blends were recommended
>>due to this problem.[/color]
>
> Back when I drove an Escort, I HAD to find good technicians in just
> about every automotive discipline.
>
> My air conditioner guy used to have to 'service' my piece of shit
> Escort on a regular basis.
>
> My '92 Corolla Wagon finally required service at about 180,000 miles.
>
> He said 'Stick with R 12'
>
> He got me a new Denso compressor and I'm cold as ice again.
>
> If you have R12 stick with it....would be my advice...[/color]

Last time I checked, R-12 was about $90/Lb...
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>
>[color=green]
>>
>>
>>"geronimo" <Jamesw@grandecom.net> wrote in message
>>news:6f20f25sqpem86m8sclo234k9ck750n7l6@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>>I am getting a 1988 Camry all fixed up. Have a choice between
>>> recharging ac with R134 or Dura-cool propane/butane blend.
>>> Have heard that people have had very good results with Dura-cool, and
>>> I think it would only cost about $35 to recharge system with it, using
>>> my existing R134 gauge set. Hopefully there is nothing wrong with AC
>>> except a small leak, won't know for sure until I try recharging.
>>> Opinion? Tnx, Geronimo[/color]
>>[/color][/color]