The joys of buying and overstressing a classic toyota..

No sooner have i repaired the brakes on my GT-Four the clutch pressure
plate springs have failed. Now i cant shift without matching gears lol.
It never rains, it only ever pours in my drive lol. Best get finding
parts to rebuild the new-model gearbox ive bought (do toyota sell
synchros on their own?) and get a new clutch to drop in.

"Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> No sooner have i repaired the brakes on my GT-Four the clutch pressure
> plate springs have failed. Now i cant shift without matching gears lol.
> It never rains, it only ever pours in my drive lol. Best get finding
> parts to rebuild the new-model gearbox ive bought (do toyota sell
> synchros on their own?) and get a new clutch to drop in.
>[/color]

I am pretty sure that you can get synchros and gears individually, at least
in the U.S.

Have fun!
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
> "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> I have not priced synchros is a loooong time, but I recall that they were
> actually priced pretty reasonably and that the majority of the cost of
> replacing them was labor. If you're willing to do the work yourself, then
> the price for parts will probably be reasonable.
>
> Good luck![/color]

Curiously the clutch has started working properly again, after a clunk
and a lurch. I'm thinking this could mean the friction material is
breaking down and a chunk was jammed in the gap. The clunk was it being
spat out maybe. Definitely time to get seeing to it!

"Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ray O wrote:[color=green]
>> "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> I have not priced synchros is a loooong time, but I recall that they were
>> actually priced pretty reasonably and that the majority of the cost of
>> replacing them was labor. If you're willing to do the work yourself,
>> then
>> the price for parts will probably be reasonable.
>>
>> Good luck![/color]
>
> Curiously the clutch has started working properly again, after a clunk
> and a lurch. I'm thinking this could mean the friction material is
> breaking down and a chunk was jammed in the gap. The clunk was it being
> spat out maybe. Definitely time to get seeing to it!
>[/color]

As much of a pain it is to change the clutch, it is still easier than
replacing cones and synchros!

If you have not topped off the clutch fluid level, the level in the clutch
master cylinder will gradually drop as the clutch wears, much the same as
what happens with brake linings.
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Ray O wrote:
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> As much of a pain it is to change the clutch, it is still easier than
> replacing cones and synchros![/color]

Never worked on a GT4 have you? :-) Its possible to do a clutch with
the engine in the car, but to give you an idea of how hard it is - its
widely recommended that its faster to completely disconnect the wiring
harness, coolant, air con and completely remove the engine and box to
do it instead of doing it in situ lol. Fitting a transverse engine and
a 4wd transmission setup into the front end of a celica was a miracle
of design lol.
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> If you have not topped off the clutch fluid level, the level in the clutch
> master cylinder will gradually drop as the clutch wears, much the same as
> what happens with brake linings.[/color]

Aye, checked that and bled it just in case. Fairly sure its either the
friction material falling apart (would explain it clunking and lurching
then getting better) or its someting more sinister. Either way i have
the spare gearbox and for now the car is drivable again so i can work
on borrowed time!

"Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ray O wrote:
>[color=green]
>> As much of a pain it is to change the clutch, it is still easier than
>> replacing cones and synchros![/color]
>
> Never worked on a GT4 have you? :-) Its possible to do a clutch with
> the engine in the car, but to give you an idea of how hard it is - its
> widely recommended that its faster to completely disconnect the wiring
> harness, coolant, air con and completely remove the engine and box to
> do it instead of doing it in situ lol. Fitting a transverse engine and
> a 4wd transmission setup into the front end of a celica was a miracle
> of design lol.[/color]

What I meant was, that removing the the transmission (gearbox) and replacing
the clutch is easier than removing the transmission, rebuilding the
transmission, and then putting it back together. Kind of like saying that
having one tooth pulled is less painful than having 2 teeth pulled ;-)
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> If you have not topped off the clutch fluid level, the level in the
>> clutch
>> master cylinder will gradually drop as the clutch wears, much the same as
>> what happens with brake linings.[/color]
>
> Aye, checked that and bled it just in case. Fairly sure its either the
> friction material falling apart (would explain it clunking and lurching
> then getting better) or its someting more sinister. Either way i have
> the spare gearbox and for now the car is drivable again so i can work
> on borrowed time!
>[/color]

No fair! Not many people keep spare gearboxes for their car!
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Ray O wrote:
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> No fair! Not many people keep spare gearboxes for their car!
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)[/color]

lol, when youre car is as rare and as frequently dead as mine you
collect all the spare parts you can when you see them lol. I know
people in the owners club with 2-3 spare engines and boxes in their
garage lol.

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message news:3ed22$45116667$44a4a10d$17922@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1158749865.837262.227920@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>>
>> Ray O wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Coyoteboy" <coyoteboyuk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> I have not priced synchros is a loooong time, but I recall that they were
>>> actually priced pretty reasonably and that the majority of the cost of
>>> replacing them was labor. If you're willing to do the work yourself, then
>>> the price for parts will probably be reasonable.
>>>
>>> Good luck![/color]
>>
>> Curiously the clutch has started working properly again, after a clunk
>> and a lurch. I'm thinking this could mean the friction material is
>> breaking down and a chunk was jammed in the gap. The clunk was it being
>> spat out maybe. Definitely time to get seeing to it!
>>[/color]
>
> As much of a pain it is to change the clutch, it is still easier than replacing cones and synchros!
>
> If you have not topped off the clutch fluid level, the level in the clutch master cylinder will gradually drop as the clutch
> wears, much the same as what happens with brake linings.
> --
>
> Ray O
> (correct punctuation to reply)
>
>[/color]

With a little practice shifting without using the clutch or damaging anything is not tuff to do.
Excluding from a dead stop of course because that's a bit tougher.

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> With a little practice shifting without using the clutch or damaging anything is not tuff to do.
> Excluding from a dead stop of course because that's a bit tougher.[/color]

Yeah, i can do it fairly well, the odd crunch hear and there, but it
takes too long to match the revs and i drive enthusiastically so i get
frustrated having to match revs lol. I'm thinking im going to end up
with a lightened fly and a stock clutch - the stock clutch looks good
to well over 300lbft and lasts forever. Mr T does things properly.