Bought a basic Yaris sedan

Yes, we dived into this head first, and for the last 4 weeks are very
happy with its' performance. Gas milage is amazing (don't have exact
numbers yet, but if we went 200 km on ~1/4 tank, that is something -
will have more details next week on actual consumption). Accelaration
is sufficient (we are not racers), and so is everything else.

Read the guide end-to-end, and found some hillarious text: apparently,
the guide (manual?) was written in Japan (as the car was built there),
and in one of the explanations about good and bad fuses, the text
actually shows 'brown' fuse as bad. As I knew that in Japanese the
distinction between the letters L and R is not there (don't exist in
the alphabet), I understood it, but assume someone who has no idea -
what the heck is a brown fuse?

Another mystery to be solved: the illustration for the trunk shows some
side pockets (for storage), but close inspection of the trunk revealed
flat floor on either side - does anyone have any idea if these pockets
ever existed?

If anyone from Toyota (anywhere: Canada, US, Japan) reads these
message, kindly review your documentation for accuracy (brown fuse,
trunk storage). The sales force was totally useless, and we knew way
more than them. Pity that the whole sale process still took too many
hours to complete (we knew exactly what we wanted and for how much,
told them, and still they went through their spiel - including an
un-necessary test drive). In that sense, they have not done a great
job.

P.S. The Yaris was a great leap fro my wife - she drove a 1992 Tercel
till now and the Yaris feels heavier - it is heavier, but much nimbler
to handle. Sorry to put the NA manufacturers down, but their products
suck when compared to Asian ones. I drive a Saturn and feels clumsy,
even when compared to the Tercel.

If anyone has any question regarding the Yaris, feel free to conatct me
- I'll be glad to answer.
It is an amazing little car and the cost was very reasonable.

"ns" <ns@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:1158687196.293351.153800@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Yes, we dived into this head first, and for the last 4 weeks are very
> happy with its' performance. Gas milage is amazing (don't have exact
> numbers yet, but if we went 200 km on ~1/4 tank, that is something -
> will have more details next week on actual consumption). Accelaration
> is sufficient (we are not racers), and so is everything else.
>
> Read the guide end-to-end, and found some hillarious text: apparently,
> the guide (manual?) was written in Japan (as the car was built there),
> and in one of the explanations about good and bad fuses, the text
> actually shows 'brown' fuse as bad. As I knew that in Japanese the
> distinction between the letters L and R is not there (don't exist in
> the alphabet), I understood it, but assume someone who has no idea -
> what the heck is a brown fuse?
>
> Another mystery to be solved: the illustration for the trunk shows some
> side pockets (for storage), but close inspection of the trunk revealed
> flat floor on either side - does anyone have any idea if these pockets
> ever existed?
>
> If anyone from Toyota (anywhere: Canada, US, Japan) reads these
> message, kindly review your documentation for accuracy (brown fuse,
> trunk storage). The sales force was totally useless, and we knew way
> more than them. Pity that the whole sale process still took too many
> hours to complete (we knew exactly what we wanted and for how much,
> told them, and still they went through their spiel - including an
> un-necessary test drive). In that sense, they have not done a great
> job.
>
> P.S. The Yaris was a great leap fro my wife - she drove a 1992 Tercel
> till now and the Yaris feels heavier - it is heavier, but much nimbler
> to handle. Sorry to put the NA manufacturers down, but their products
> suck when compared to Asian ones. I drive a Saturn and feels clumsy,
> even when compared to the Tercel.
>
> If anyone has any question regarding the Yaris, feel free to conatct me
> - I'll be glad to answer.
> It is an amazing little car and the cost was very reasonable.
>[/color]

I presume it's a BLOWN fuse? How do they distinguish between Port and
Starboard? I know the Japs had a Navy, after all those Mitsubishi A6M's
didn't get to Pearl Harbor by wishing themselves there.

I always forget which one has the R sound and which one has the L sound, but
if I remember correctly Japanese has an R sound but no L sound (Domo
Arrigato, Mr. Roboto.) Whereas I beleive Chinese has the L sound but no R
sound.

Charles of Schaumburg

Hi Charles of Schaunburg:

I believe you are correct, although we spent a month in Japan and China last
year and just about everyone we contacted spoke better english than me.
BTW, do you work for the big M?
Graybeard

"n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:YqKdnQYfo9SW6o3YnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=blue]
> "ns" <ns@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:1158687196.293351.153800@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> Yes, we dived into this head first, and for the last 4 weeks are very
>> happy with its' performance. Gas milage is amazing (don't have exact
>> numbers yet, but if we went 200 km on ~1/4 tank, that is something -
>> will have more details next week on actual consumption). Accelaration
>> is sufficient (we are not racers), and so is everything else.
>>
>> Read the guide end-to-end, and found some hillarious text: apparently,
>> the guide (manual?) was written in Japan (as the car was built there),
>> and in one of the explanations about good and bad fuses, the text
>> actually shows 'brown' fuse as bad. As I knew that in Japanese the
>> distinction between the letters L and R is not there (don't exist in
>> the alphabet), I understood it, but assume someone who has no idea -
>> what the heck is a brown fuse?
>>
>> Another mystery to be solved: the illustration for the trunk shows some
>> side pockets (for storage), but close inspection of the trunk revealed
>> flat floor on either side - does anyone have any idea if these pockets
>> ever existed?
>>
>> If anyone from Toyota (anywhere: Canada, US, Japan) reads these
>> message, kindly review your documentation for accuracy (brown fuse,
>> trunk storage). The sales force was totally useless, and we knew way
>> more than them. Pity that the whole sale process still took too many
>> hours to complete (we knew exactly what we wanted and for how much,
>> told them, and still they went through their spiel - including an
>> un-necessary test drive). In that sense, they have not done a great
>> job.
>>
>> P.S. The Yaris was a great leap fro my wife - she drove a 1992 Tercel
>> till now and the Yaris feels heavier - it is heavier, but much nimbler
>> to handle. Sorry to put the NA manufacturers down, but their products
>> suck when compared to Asian ones. I drive a Saturn and feels clumsy,
>> even when compared to the Tercel.
>>
>> If anyone has any question regarding the Yaris, feel free to conatct me
>> - I'll be glad to answer.
>> It is an amazing little car and the cost was very reasonable.
>>[/color]
>
> I presume it's a BLOWN fuse? How do they distinguish between Port and
> Starboard? I know the Japs had a Navy, after all those Mitsubishi A6M's
> didn't get to Pearl Harbor by wishing themselves there.
>
> I always forget which one has the R sound and which one has the L sound,
> but if I remember correctly Japanese has an R sound but no L sound (Domo
> Arrigato, Mr. Roboto.) Whereas I beleive Chinese has the L sound but no R
> sound.
>
> Charles of Schaumburg
>[/color]

Yes, 'brown' fuse is blown fuse - lol.

As promised, I have the initial long distance/highway consumption
results: 6.1 L/100 km (or 38.5 mpg) - not even close to the
'advertised' 40 (city)/50 (highway) mpg, and I didn't floor it at all
(not a lead foot). My only hope is that these are initial numbers and
will improve with time.

Graybeard wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi Charles of Schaunburg:
>
> I believe you are correct, although we spent a month in Japan and China last
> year and just about everyone we contacted spoke better english than me.
> BTW, do you work for the big M?
> Graybeard
>
> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:YqKdnQYfo9SW6o3YnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=green]
> > "ns" <ns@ieee.org> wrote in message
> > news:1158687196.293351.153800@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
> >> Yes, we dived into this head first, and for the last 4 weeks are very
> >> happy with its' performance. Gas milage is amazing (don't have exact
> >> numbers yet, but if we went 200 km on ~1/4 tank, that is something -
> >> will have more details next week on actual consumption). Accelaration
> >> is sufficient (we are not racers), and so is everything else.
> >>
> >> Read the guide end-to-end, and found some hillarious text: apparently,
> >> the guide (manual?) was written in Japan (as the car was built there),
> >> and in one of the explanations about good and bad fuses, the text
> >> actually shows 'brown' fuse as bad. As I knew that in Japanese the
> >> distinction between the letters L and R is not there (don't exist in
> >> the alphabet), I understood it, but assume someone who has no idea -
> >> what the heck is a brown fuse?
> >>
> >> Another mystery to be solved: the illustration for the trunk shows some
> >> side pockets (for storage), but close inspection of the trunk revealed
> >> flat floor on either side - does anyone have any idea if these pockets
> >> ever existed?
> >>
> >> If anyone from Toyota (anywhere: Canada, US, Japan) reads these
> >> message, kindly review your documentation for accuracy (brown fuse,
> >> trunk storage). The sales force was totally useless, and we knew way
> >> more than them. Pity that the whole sale process still took too many
> >> hours to complete (we knew exactly what we wanted and for how much,
> >> told them, and still they went through their spiel - including an
> >> un-necessary test drive). In that sense, they have not done a great
> >> job.
> >>
> >> P.S. The Yaris was a great leap fro my wife - she drove a 1992 Tercel
> >> till now and the Yaris feels heavier - it is heavier, but much nimbler
> >> to handle. Sorry to put the NA manufacturers down, but their products
> >> suck when compared to Asian ones. I drive a Saturn and feels clumsy,
> >> even when compared to the Tercel.
> >>
> >> If anyone has any question regarding the Yaris, feel free to conatct me
> >> - I'll be glad to answer.
> >> It is an amazing little car and the cost was very reasonable.
> >>[/color]
> >
> > I presume it's a BLOWN fuse? How do they distinguish between Port and
> > Starboard? I know the Japs had a Navy, after all those Mitsubishi A6M's
> > didn't get to Pearl Harbor by wishing themselves there.
> >
> > I always forget which one has the R sound and which one has the L sound,
> > but if I remember correctly Japanese has an R sound but no L sound (Domo
> > Arrigato, Mr. Roboto.) Whereas I beleive Chinese has the L sound but no R
> > sound.
> >
> > Charles of Schaumburg
> >[/color][/color]

100 km is not nearly far enough to measure the mileage accurately. At
least run a full tank of gas and let us know.


ns wrote:[color=blue]
> Yes, 'brown' fuse is blown fuse - lol.
>
> As promised, I have the initial long distance/highway consumption
> results: 6.1 L/100 km (or 38.5 mpg) - not even close to the
> 'advertised' 40 (city)/50 (highway) mpg, and I didn't floor it at all
> (not a lead foot). My only hope is that these are initial numbers and
> will improve with time.
>
> Graybeard wrote:[color=green]
> > Hi Charles of Schaunburg:
> >
> > I believe you are correct, although we spent a month in Japan and China last
> > year and just about everyone we contacted spoke better english than me.
> > BTW, do you work for the big M?
> > Graybeard
> >
> > "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:YqKdnQYfo9SW6o3YnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com...[color=darkred]
> > > "ns" <ns@ieee.org> wrote in message
> > > news:1158687196.293351.153800@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >> Yes, we dived into this head first, and for the last 4 weeks are very
> > >> happy with its' performance. Gas milage is amazing (don't have exact
> > >> numbers yet, but if we went 200 km on ~1/4 tank, that is something -
> > >> will have more details next week on actual consumption). Accelaration
> > >> is sufficient (we are not racers), and so is everything else.
> > >>
> > >> Read the guide end-to-end, and found some hillarious text: apparently,
> > >> the guide (manual?) was written in Japan (as the car was built there),
> > >> and in one of the explanations about good and bad fuses, the text
> > >> actually shows 'brown' fuse as bad. As I knew that in Japanese the
> > >> distinction between the letters L and R is not there (don't exist in
> > >> the alphabet), I understood it, but assume someone who has no idea -
> > >> what the heck is a brown fuse?
> > >>
> > >> Another mystery to be solved: the illustration for the trunk shows some
> > >> side pockets (for storage), but close inspection of the trunk revealed
> > >> flat floor on either side - does anyone have any idea if these pockets
> > >> ever existed?
> > >>
> > >> If anyone from Toyota (anywhere: Canada, US, Japan) reads these
> > >> message, kindly review your documentation for accuracy (brown fuse,
> > >> trunk storage). The sales force was totally useless, and we knew way
> > >> more than them. Pity that the whole sale process still took too many
> > >> hours to complete (we knew exactly what we wanted and for how much,
> > >> told them, and still they went through their spiel - including an
> > >> un-necessary test drive). In that sense, they have not done a great
> > >> job.
> > >>
> > >> P.S. The Yaris was a great leap fro my wife - she drove a 1992 Tercel
> > >> till now and the Yaris feels heavier - it is heavier, but much nimbler
> > >> to handle. Sorry to put the NA manufacturers down, but their products
> > >> suck when compared to Asian ones. I drive a Saturn and feels clumsy,
> > >> even when compared to the Tercel.
> > >>
> > >> If anyone has any question regarding the Yaris, feel free to conatct me
> > >> - I'll be glad to answer.
> > >> It is an amazing little car and the cost was very reasonable.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I presume it's a BLOWN fuse? How do they distinguish between Port and
> > > Starboard? I know the Japs had a Navy, after all those Mitsubishi A6M's
> > > didn't get to Pearl Harbor by wishing themselves there.
> > >
> > > I always forget which one has the R sound and which one has the L sound,
> > > but if I remember correctly Japanese has an R sound but no L sound (Domo
> > > Arrigato, Mr. Roboto.) Whereas I beleive Chinese has the L sound but no R
> > > sound.
> > >
> > > Charles of Schaumburg
> > >[/color][/color][/color]

ns wrote:
[color=blue]
> actually shows 'brown' fuse as bad. As I knew that in Japanese the
> distinction between the letters L and R is not there (don't exist in
> the alphabet), I understood it, but assume someone who has no idea -[/color]

Japanese does not have an alphabet, as such. The written language
consists of kanji (unique pictograms, Chinese in appearance), hiragana
(a syllabary used to write Japanese words for which there is no
pictogram), and katakana (a second syllabary used to write non-Japanese
words). The two kana are not alphabets, but a set of symbols
representing sounds; each character has a unique sound and if you know
the "code" you can read aloud anything written in kana, even if you
don't understand a single word of it.

Both syllabaries lack an "L" sound because there is none in the spoken
language.

The Japanese also use Roman characters (romaji) for transcribing things
originally written in Western alphabets.

I think it was "Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> who stated:
[color=blue]
>ns wrote:[color=green]
>> Yes, 'brown' fuse is blown fuse - lol.
>>
>> As promised, I have the initial long distance/highway consumption
>> results: 6.1 L/100 km (or 38.5 mpg) - not even close to the
>> 'advertised' 40 (city)/50 (highway) mpg, and I didn't floor it at all
>> (not a lead foot). My only hope is that these are initial numbers and
>> will improve with time.[/color][/color]

You can count on that. As an engine is broken in, its mileage
typically improves. My xB certainly did; from 27 mpg for its first
five or so tankfuls to about 33-35 mpg for its mileage over this
summer. It still might not reach the advertised mileage, though; they
are usually pretty optimistic.

[FIXED the post positioning]
[color=blue]
>100 km is not nearly far enough to measure the mileage accurately. At
>least run a full tank of gas and let us know.[/color]

I don't believe that ns meant he only went 100 km. The "6.1 L/100 km"
is an expression of mileage, not an expression of distance traveled.

-Don


--
Pooder approved this post . . . .

Don Fearn wrote:[color=blue]
> I think it was "Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> who stated:
>[color=green]
> >ns wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> Yes, 'brown' fuse is blown fuse - lol.
> >>
> >> As promised, I have the initial long distance/highway consumption
> >> results: 6.1 L/100 km (or 38.5 mpg) - not even close to the
> >> 'advertised' 40 (city)/50 (highway) mpg, and I didn't floor it at all
> >> (not a lead foot). My only hope is that these are initial numbers and
> >> will improve with time.[/color][/color]
>
> You can count on that. As an engine is broken in, its mileage
> typically improves. My xB certainly did; from 27 mpg for its first
> five or so tankfuls to about 33-35 mpg for its mileage over this
> summer. It still might not reach the advertised mileage, though; they
> are usually pretty optimistic.
>
> [FIXED the post positioning]
>[color=green]
> >100 km is not nearly far enough to measure the mileage accurately. At
> >least run a full tank of gas and let us know.[/color]
>
> I don't believe that ns meant he only went 100 km. The "6.1 L/100 km"
> is an expression of mileage, not an expression of distance traveled.
>
> -Don
>[/color]

Don, you are correct: we drove close to 1,500 km. The 6.1 L/100 km is
the equivalent expression of 38.5 mpg.
I sure hope that this figure will improve. I'm aware of the rosy lenses
the EPA (or in our case, Transport Canada) and the manufacturer are
wearing when they tout these numbers (no accessories switched on,
windows closed, DRL disabled - I'm familiar with all those tricks).

EPA ratings are 34/40 for the manual and 34/39 with an automatic, so it
seems you are doing OK. 50 mpg seems a little optimistic, although I
was personally able to get well over 40 mpg out of my 1987 Camry on the
highway if I took it easy (a bigger and heavier car at 2800 lbs vs.
2300 for the Yaris). So it seems we haven't come very far in 20 years
at all.

[url]http://www.automedia.com/2007/Toyota/Yaris/dsm20060501ty/1/[/url]





ns wrote:[color=blue]
> Don Fearn wrote:[color=green]
> > I think it was "Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> who stated:
> >[color=darkred]
> > >ns wrote:
> > >> Yes, 'brown' fuse is blown fuse - lol.
> > >>
> > >> As promised, I have the initial long distance/highway consumption
> > >> results: 6.1 L/100 km (or 38.5 mpg) - not even close to the
> > >> 'advertised' 40 (city)/50 (highway) mpg, and I didn't floor it at all
> > >> (not a lead foot). My only hope is that these are initial numbers and
> > >> will improve with time.[/color]
> >
> > You can count on that. As an engine is broken in, its mileage
> > typically improves. My xB certainly did; from 27 mpg for its first
> > five or so tankfuls to about 33-35 mpg for its mileage over this
> > summer. It still might not reach the advertised mileage, though; they
> > are usually pretty optimistic.
> >
> > [FIXED the post positioning]
> >[color=darkred]
> > >100 km is not nearly far enough to measure the mileage accurately. At
> > >least run a full tank of gas and let us know.[/color]
> >
> > I don't believe that ns meant he only went 100 km. The "6.1 L/100 km"
> > is an expression of mileage, not an expression of distance traveled.
> >
> > -Don
> >[/color]
>
> Don, you are correct: we drove close to 1,500 km. The 6.1 L/100 km is
> the equivalent expression of 38.5 mpg.
> I sure hope that this figure will improve. I'm aware of the rosy lenses
> the EPA (or in our case, Transport Canada) and the manufacturer are
> wearing when they tout these numbers (no accessories switched on,
> windows closed, DRL disabled - I'm familiar with all those tricks).[/color]

OK, my mistake: I fell into the same trap (almost) as those space craft
designers - in Canada, the gallon is 5 quarts, not 4 as is in the US
(duh!).
So, the quoted 40/50 is based on the British (and Canadian) definition
of a gallon.
My calculation was based on the US version (3.78 litres/gallon), so teh
38.5 mpg is actually very good for an engine that is sitting @ 1,500
km, and is meshed with an automatic transmission.

Thanks for paying attention to the 'fine' detail - it is not the first
time this has happened (anyone remembers the Gimly glider?).


Mark wrote:[color=blue]
> EPA ratings are 34/40 for the manual and 34/39 with an automatic, so it
> seems you are doing OK. 50 mpg seems a little optimistic, although I
> was personally able to get well over 40 mpg out of my 1987 Camry on the
> highway if I took it easy (a bigger and heavier car at 2800 lbs vs.
> 2300 for the Yaris). So it seems we haven't come very far in 20 years
> at all.
>
> [url]http://www.automedia.com/2007/Toyota/Yaris/dsm20060501ty/1/[/url]
>
>
>
>
>
> ns wrote:[color=green]
> > Don Fearn wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > I think it was "Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> who stated:
> > >
> > > >ns wrote:
> > > >> Yes, 'brown' fuse is blown fuse - lol.
> > > >>
> > > >> As promised, I have the initial long distance/highway consumption
> > > >> results: 6.1 L/100 km (or 38.5 mpg) - not even close to the
> > > >> 'advertised' 40 (city)/50 (highway) mpg, and I didn't floor it at all
> > > >> (not a lead foot). My only hope is that these are initial numbers and
> > > >> will improve with time.
> > >
> > > You can count on that. As an engine is broken in, its mileage
> > > typically improves. My xB certainly did; from 27 mpg for its first
> > > five or so tankfuls to about 33-35 mpg for its mileage over this
> > > summer. It still might not reach the advertised mileage, though; they
> > > are usually pretty optimistic.
> > >
> > > [FIXED the post positioning]
> > >
> > > >100 km is not nearly far enough to measure the mileage accurately. At
> > > >least run a full tank of gas and let us know.
> > >
> > > I don't believe that ns meant he only went 100 km. The "6.1 L/100 km"
> > > is an expression of mileage, not an expression of distance traveled.
> > >
> > > -Don
> > >[/color]
> >
> > Don, you are correct: we drove close to 1,500 km. The 6.1 L/100 km is
> > the equivalent expression of 38.5 mpg.
> > I sure hope that this figure will improve. I'm aware of the rosy lenses
> > the EPA (or in our case, Transport Canada) and the manufacturer are
> > wearing when they tout these numbers (no accessories switched on,
> > windows closed, DRL disabled - I'm familiar with all those tricks).[/color][/color]

My Camry with an I-4 automatic was rated at 25/31, and I routinely got
27/28 around town and the aforementioned 40+ on the highway when I took
it easy, upper 30s otherwise. Your mileage should improve to better
than you are getting now.


ns wrote:[color=blue]
> OK, my mistake: I fell into the same trap (almost) as those space craft
> designers - in Canada, the gallon is 5 quarts, not 4 as is in the US
> (duh!).
> So, the quoted 40/50 is based on the British (and Canadian) definition
> of a gallon.
> My calculation was based on the US version (3.78 litres/gallon), so teh
> 38.5 mpg is actually very good for an engine that is sitting @ 1,500
> km, and is meshed with an automatic transmission.
>
> Thanks for paying attention to the 'fine' detail - it is not the first
> time this has happened (anyone remembers the Gimly glider?).
>
>
> Mark wrote:[color=green]
> > EPA ratings are 34/40 for the manual and 34/39 with an automatic, so it
> > seems you are doing OK. 50 mpg seems a little optimistic, although I
> > was personally able to get well over 40 mpg out of my 1987 Camry on the
> > highway if I took it easy (a bigger and heavier car at 2800 lbs vs.
> > 2300 for the Yaris). So it seems we haven't come very far in 20 years
> > at all.
> >
> > [url]http://www.automedia.com/2007/Toyota/Yaris/dsm20060501ty/1/[/url]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ns wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > Don Fearn wrote:
> > > > I think it was "Mark" <bogusmailmark@yahoo.com> who stated:
> > > >
> > > > >ns wrote:
> > > > >> Yes, 'brown' fuse is blown fuse - lol.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> As promised, I have the initial long distance/highway consumption
> > > > >> results: 6.1 L/100 km (or 38.5 mpg) - not even close to the
> > > > >> 'advertised' 40 (city)/50 (highway) mpg, and I didn't floor it at all
> > > > >> (not a lead foot). My only hope is that these are initial numbers and
> > > > >> will improve with time.
> > > >
> > > > You can count on that. As an engine is broken in, its mileage
> > > > typically improves. My xB certainly did; from 27 mpg for its first
> > > > five or so tankfuls to about 33-35 mpg for its mileage over this
> > > > summer. It still might not reach the advertised mileage, though; they
> > > > are usually pretty optimistic.
> > > >
> > > > [FIXED the post positioning]
> > > >
> > > > >100 km is not nearly far enough to measure the mileage accurately. At
> > > > >least run a full tank of gas and let us know.
> > > >
> > > > I don't believe that ns meant he only went 100 km. The "6.1 L/100 km"
> > > > is an expression of mileage, not an expression of distance traveled.
> > > >
> > > > -Don
> > > >
> > >
> > > Don, you are correct: we drove close to 1,500 km. The 6.1 L/100 km is
> > > the equivalent expression of 38.5 mpg.
> > > I sure hope that this figure will improve. I'm aware of the rosy lenses
> > > the EPA (or in our case, Transport Canada) and the manufacturer are
> > > wearing when they tout these numbers (no accessories switched on,
> > > windows closed, DRL disabled - I'm familiar with all those tricks).[/color][/color][/color]