Electronic rust inhibitor

Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering getting
an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed at the same
time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust model that the
electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at Canadian Tire
because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it has a safety cut
off to prevent killing the car battery.

Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from
eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?

"homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga:
[color=blue]
> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership
> installed at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a
> better, more robust model that the electronic Counteract rust
> protection system being sold at Canadian Tire because it generates a
> higher charge on the car body and it has a safety cut off to prevent
> killing the car battery.
>
> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users
> from eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their
> car?
>
>
>[/color]

My daughter has installed one, 3 years ago.
She paid over $600
Her car is still rusting.
She went over because the work was warranted.
They said to her, that her car is warranted against perforation, not
surface rust.
On top of that, this is a great product used on many ships and smaller
boats.
Cars typically don't stand in a conductive body of water.
I do not recommend this type of product.

I wouldn't do it. First of all, who knows what other problems futzing with
the electrical system might create. Second of all, it's a brand-spanking new
Toyota for goodness sake! One of the reasons you pay a premium for Toyota
(versus similar sized cars from GM/Ford, for instance) is because of the
quality, which includes rust resistance. You could be dead by the time the
car rusts out, if ever! Rust is just not an issue these days until vehicles
are near the end of their life anyway (engine wearing out etc). Save the
money and drive on!

"homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga...[color=blue]
> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed
> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust
> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at
> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it
> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery.
>
> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from
> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?
>[/color]

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:52:16 GMT, Michel <viesavie@hotmail.com> wrote:

~"homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> wrote in
~news:n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga:
~
~> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was
considering
~> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership
~> installed at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a
~> better, more robust model that the electronic Counteract rust
~> protection system being sold at Canadian Tire because it generates
a
~> higher charge on the car body and it has a safety cut off to
prevent
~> killing the car battery.
~>
~> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users
~> from eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their
~> car?
~>
~>
~>
~
~My daughter has installed one, 3 years ago.
~She paid over $600
~Her car is still rusting.
~She went over because the work was warranted.
~They said to her, that her car is warranted against perforation, not
~surface rust.

Aren't all new cars guaranteed against rust perforation for 5 years to
start with? So you get nothing that isn't already included with the
car to start with, except you save $600 by not installing the rust
preventer. It sounds good, but really there's no coverage or warranty
over and above the Toyota perforation warranty to start with.

~On top of that, this is a great product used on many ships and
smaller
~boats.
~Cars typically don't stand in a conductive body of water.
~I do not recommend this type of product.

"homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga...[color=blue]
> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed
> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust
> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at
> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it
> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery.
>
> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from
> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?
>[/color]

The biggest problem with a device that relies on current is that many metal
parts are mounted with rubber isolators so the current will not reach every
part.

Modern cars are much more rust-resistant than ones in the past. I'd skip
the electronic rust inhibitor.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:16:04 -0500, homepc wrote:
[color=blue]
> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering getting
> an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed at the same
> time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust model that the
> electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at Canadian Tire
> because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it has a safety cut
> off to prevent killing the car battery.
>
> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from
> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?[/color]


Interesting question.

Does it work? I dunno...I had one installed on an '88 Honda by the dealer.
Did it STOP rust? No, Hondas rot out by the rear wheels, period. It did
NOT stop the rust!

Did it delay the inevitable? Maybe. It did take a while before rust
started appearing (about 8 or 9 years), but then again, my totally NON
rustproofed '85 Corolla took SEVENTEEN years before it started showing
rust (The Corolla was not driven much in the winter...maybe 3 winters in
17 years...)

It does appear to have some effect. I didn't think they were even making
these things anymore. the last one I saw...was on my Honda...

Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including Toyotas).
How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a low mileage '97
Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a good oil-based
antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those areas) while the
rest of the car shows no rust at all.

A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had
minor rust in some areas.
"homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga...[color=blue]
> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed
> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust
> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at
> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it
> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery.
>
> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from
> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?
>[/color]

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:16:04 -0500, "homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering getting
>an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed at the same
>time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust model that the
>electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at Canadian Tire
>because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it has a safety cut
>off to prevent killing the car battery.
>
>Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from
>eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?[/color]

There might be something to it, but I can't see how it can work.
I'm going to stick it in the "Snake Oil" category until I see real
double-blind studies and real unbiased lab results, which I sincerely
doubt the manufacturer is going to do. They can already guess what
the results would be, and they really don't want to see solid proof of
it so they can keep spouting rosy platitudes.

And anything the dealer is adding onto the car is GUARANTEED to only
be worth about a quarter of what they want to charge you for it, if
that. They buy the device for $20, spend $30 for a junior mechanic to
bolt it down and hook it up to the battery, and charge you $400 for
this so-called "valuable device"

Rust on cars happens when salt water and air get to exposed metal on
your car and the steel reacts with the oxygen and water, the salt
accelerates the effects. Applying an electrical charge to the car
body does nothing for that - this is not a steel pipeline buried in
the dirt where galvanic protection and sacrificial anodes can be
effective, there's no ground counterpoise for this gizmo to work
against...

The only thing that will really work in keeping rust away is getting
all the exposed unpainted items on the car protected as best you can -
up to plating or Teflon or powder coating brake and axle components
that often are left unfinished. Keeping the paint and other
protective coatings on the body and chassis intact and un-perforated.
And aggressively attacking the rust wherever it shows up, as soon as
you notice it. Scrape, sand, neutralize, prime, paint.

--<< Bruce >>--

The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale. There
is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge of the
car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond cote
paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not very
helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white paint
soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was industrial
fall out. I figure it was probably caused by continuous exposure to diesel
exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint protection was not warranted
against that kind of thing, so it was a waste of money. The rust proofing
(waxoil) on the other hand, was probably worth it, as the rust just started
forming around four years ago, and it only appears on the outside painted
surface of the car body. There is little evidence of rust on the underside
of the car and no perforations.

I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be
thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all
well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems redundant.
However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is capable of
just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the winter months
it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm lucky, I hope to
keep my new car as long as my last one.



"Ghislain" <ghislaing@teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message
news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@teksavvy.com...[color=blue]
> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including
> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a low
> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a
> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those
> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all.
>
> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had
> minor rust in some areas.
> "homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga...[color=green]
>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed
>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust
>> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at
>> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it
>> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery.
>>
>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from
>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:01:06 -0500, homepc wrote:
[color=blue]
> The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale. There
> is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge of the
> car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond cote
> paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not very
> helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white paint
> soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was industrial
> fall out.[/color]

This is called 'rail dust' and is removable. ALL detailing shops have
methods for removing it, but to pay them can be pretty expensive.

Go to your friendly parts or detailing store and tell them you want clay
to remove rail dust, and Google "Rail dust removal"

You'll find the methods and items you need.

Basically, the clay is like chewed up bubble gum, you roll the clay around
the body and pick up the rail dust, fold the clay up so you have fresh
surfaces, and do it again. Folloing with a buffing with a good buffer and
good materials (3M or Meguire's is good) and a nice coat of wax or
Simonize (get it on e-bay but don't spen more then $45!) The Simonize is a
bit better than wax at keeping the rail dust and other things from
sticking to the car. A bit. Unless you wax on a regular basis...

[color=blue]
> I figure it was probably caused by continuous exposure to diesel
> exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint protection was not warranted
> against that kind of thing, so it was a waste of money. The rust proofing
> (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably worth it, as the rust just started
> forming around four years ago, and it only appears on the outside painted
> surface of the car body. There is little evidence of rust on the underside
> of the car and no perforations.
>
> I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be
> thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all
> well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems redundant.
> However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is capable of
> just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the winter months
> it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm lucky, I hope to
> keep my new car as long as my last one.
>
>
>
> "Ghislain" <ghislaing@teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@teksavvy.com...[color=green]
>> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including
>> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a low
>> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a
>> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those
>> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all.
>>
>> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had
>> minor rust in some areas.
>> "homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga...[color=darkred]
>>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
>>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed
>>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more robust
>>> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold at
>>> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and it
>>> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery.
>>>
>>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from
>>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]

Thanks for the heads up on the rail dust removal. Here is a link I found
that explains it fully:

[url]http://www.clean-image.co.uk/articles/fallout.htm[/url]


The article mentions that the fallout carries a negative charge and is
attracted to the car body which carries a positive charge. I wonder if the
electronic rust inhibitor ( that creates a negative charge on the car body )
will help slow the fallout from binding to the paint to some degree.

I remember getting really po'd about this stuff on my paint. It was really
hard to get off, even with frequent washing, it made no difference at all.
The car dealer reapplied the paint sealer to my Tercel after about 8 months
but it made no difference. At that point I sort of resigned myself to the
idea that it was something I had to live with.

The clay is a clever idea and will keep that in mind.


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
news:47xRg.195$8U2.123@trndny08...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:01:06 -0500, homepc wrote:
>[color=green]
>> The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale.
>> There
>> is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge of
>> the
>> car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond cote
>> paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not very
>> helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white
>> paint
>> soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was
>> industrial
>> fall out.[/color]
>
> This is called 'rail dust' and is removable. ALL detailing shops have
> methods for removing it, but to pay them can be pretty expensive.
>
> Go to your friendly parts or detailing store and tell them you want clay
> to remove rail dust, and Google "Rail dust removal"
>
> You'll find the methods and items you need.
>
> Basically, the clay is like chewed up bubble gum, you roll the clay around
> the body and pick up the rail dust, fold the clay up so you have fresh
> surfaces, and do it again. Folloing with a buffing with a good buffer and
> good materials (3M or Meguire's is good) and a nice coat of wax or
> Simonize (get it on e-bay but don't spen more then $45!) The Simonize is a
> bit better than wax at keeping the rail dust and other things from
> sticking to the car. A bit. Unless you wax on a regular basis...
>
>[color=green]
>> I figure it was probably caused by continuous exposure to diesel
>> exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint protection was not
>> warranted
>> against that kind of thing, so it was a waste of money. The rust
>> proofing
>> (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably worth it, as the rust just
>> started
>> forming around four years ago, and it only appears on the outside painted
>> surface of the car body. There is little evidence of rust on the
>> underside
>> of the car and no perforations.
>>
>> I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be
>> thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all
>> well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems
>> redundant.
>> However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is capable of
>> just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the winter
>> months
>> it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm lucky, I hope
>> to
>> keep my new car as long as my last one.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ghislain" <ghislaing@teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@teksavvy.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including
>>> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a
>>> low
>>> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a
>>> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those
>>> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all.
>>>
>>> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had
>>> minor rust in some areas.
>>> "homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga...
>>>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
>>>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership
>>>> installed
>>>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more
>>>> robust
>>>> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold
>>>> at
>>>> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and
>>>> it
>>>> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery.
>>>>
>>>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users
>>>> from
>>>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 11:53:10 -0500, homepc wrote:
[color=blue]
> Thanks for the heads up on the rail dust removal. Here is a link I found
> that explains it fully:
>
> [url]http://www.clean-image.co.uk/articles/fallout.htm[/url]
>
>
> The article mentions that the fallout carries a negative charge and is
> attracted to the car body which carries a positive charge. I wonder if the
> electronic rust inhibitor ( that creates a negative charge on the car body )
> will help slow the fallout from binding to the paint to some degree.
>
> I remember getting really po'd about this stuff on my paint. It was really
> hard to get off, even with frequent washing, it made no difference at all.
> The car dealer reapplied the paint sealer to my Tercel after about 8 months
> but it made no difference. At that point I sort of resigned myself to the
> idea that it was something I had to live with.
>
> The clay is a clever idea and will keep that in mind.[/color]

It is a bit of a PITA, and will take the better part of a Saturday or
Sunday to complete.

The other thing I neglected to mention was that, like the 'Teflon' paint
sealants like Simonize or the Ultrashield mentioned in the wen page you
provided, what you are REALLY paying for with the Electronic Rust
Preventer is the warranty.

When caught early, rust can cost a couple hundred $$$ to fix. If acted on
later, we're talking thousands. If the warranty covers SURFACE rust, it is
worth it. Actually, if it covers perferation for the Life of the car, it
is WELL worth it!

If the coverage is only for 4-6 years, forget it. It will take a Toyota
longer than that to rot, unless you really abuse it.

I think I paid $399 for mine in 1988.



[color=blue]
>
>
> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.gts> wrote in message
> news:47xRg.195$8U2.123@trndny08...[color=green]
>> On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 08:01:06 -0500, homepc wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale.
>>> There
>>> is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge of
>>> the
>>> car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond cote
>>> paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not very
>>> helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white
>>> paint
>>> soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was
>>> industrial
>>> fall out.[/color]
>>
>> This is called 'rail dust' and is removable. ALL detailing shops have
>> methods for removing it, but to pay them can be pretty expensive.
>>
>> Go to your friendly parts or detailing store and tell them you want clay
>> to remove rail dust, and Google "Rail dust removal"
>>
>> You'll find the methods and items you need.
>>
>> Basically, the clay is like chewed up bubble gum, you roll the clay around
>> the body and pick up the rail dust, fold the clay up so you have fresh
>> surfaces, and do it again. Folloing with a buffing with a good buffer and
>> good materials (3M or Meguire's is good) and a nice coat of wax or
>> Simonize (get it on e-bay but don't spen more then $45!) The Simonize is a
>> bit better than wax at keeping the rail dust and other things from
>> sticking to the car. A bit. Unless you wax on a regular basis...
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I figure it was probably caused by continuous exposure to diesel
>>> exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint protection was not
>>> warranted
>>> against that kind of thing, so it was a waste of money. The rust
>>> proofing
>>> (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably worth it, as the rust just
>>> started
>>> forming around four years ago, and it only appears on the outside painted
>>> surface of the car body. There is little evidence of rust on the
>>> underside
>>> of the car and no perforations.
>>>
>>> I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be
>>> thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all
>>> well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems
>>> redundant.
>>> However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is capable of
>>> just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the winter
>>> months
>>> it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm lucky, I hope
>>> to
>>> keep my new car as long as my last one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ghislain" <ghislaing@teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message
>>> news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@teksavvy.com...
>>>> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including
>>>> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a
>>>> low
>>>> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a
>>>> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those
>>>> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all.
>>>>
>>>> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had
>>>> minor rust in some areas.
>>>> "homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>>> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga...
>>>>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
>>>>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership
>>>>> installed
>>>>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more
>>>>> robust
>>>>> model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being sold
>>>>> at
>>>>> Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car body and
>>>>> it
>>>>> has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users
>>>>> from
>>>>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

On the '97 Corolla, the wheel wells also appeared to have surface rust, but
they actually rusted from inside because of a lack of antirust (most 93-97
Corollas in my area have the same issue).

Did you ever replace the fuel tank? I never had a Toyota fuel tank last more
than 8 years.

"homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> wrote in message
tmvRg.7212$oD3.7052@newsfe16.lga...[color=blue]
> The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale.
> There is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge
> of the car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond
> cote paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not
> very helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white
> paint soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was
> industrial fall out. I figure it was probably caused by continuous
> exposure to diesel exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint
> protection was not warranted against that kind of thing, so it was a waste
> of money. The rust proofing (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably
> worth it, as the rust just started forming around four years ago, and it
> only appears on the outside painted surface of the car body. There is
> little evidence of rust on the underside of the car and no perforations.
>
> I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be
> thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all
> well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems
> redundant. However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is
> capable of just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the
> winter months it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm
> lucky, I hope to keep my new car as long as my last one.
>
>
>
> "Ghislain" <ghislaing@teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@teksavvy.com...[color=green]
>> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including
>> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a low
>> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a
>> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those
>> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all.
>>
>> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had
>> minor rust in some areas.
>> "homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga...[color=darkred]
>>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
>>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed
>>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more
>>> robust model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being
>>> sold at Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car
>>> body and it has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery.
>>>
>>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from
>>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

No, my fuel tank never had a problem.

I had to get the oil pan replaced a couple of years ago due to corrosion,
and that was it. The Toyota mechanic said it was just starting to leak a
bit of oil.


"Ghislain" <ghislaing@teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message
news:Re6dncLEWZH9T4vYnZ2dnUVZ_rCdnZ2d@teksavvy.com...[color=blue]
> On the '97 Corolla, the wheel wells also appeared to have surface rust,
> but they actually rusted from inside because of a lack of antirust (most
> 93-97 Corollas in my area have the same issue).
>
> Did you ever replace the fuel tank? I never had a Toyota fuel tank last
> more than 8 years.
>
> "homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> tmvRg.7212$oD3.7052@newsfe16.lga...[color=green]
>> The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale.
>> There is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom
>> edge of the car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a
>> Diamond cote paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant
>> was not very helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and
>> the white paint soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer
>> said it was industrial fall out. I figure it was probably caused by
>> continuous exposure to diesel exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the
>> paint protection was not warranted against that kind of thing, so it was
>> a waste of money. The rust proofing (waxoil) on the other hand, was
>> probably worth it, as the rust just started forming around four years
>> ago, and it only appears on the outside painted surface of the car body.
>> There is little evidence of rust on the underside of the car and no
>> perforations.
>>
>> I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be
>> thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all
>> well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems
>> redundant. However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is
>> capable of just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the
>> winter months it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm
>> lucky, I hope to keep my new car as long as my last one.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ghislain" <ghislaing@teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@teksavvy.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including
>>> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a
>>> low mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected
>>> by a good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach
>>> those areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all.
>>>
>>> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had
>>> minor rust in some areas.
>>> "homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga...
>>>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
>>>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership
>>>> installed at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better,
>>>> more robust model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system
>>>> being sold at Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the
>>>> car body and it has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car
>>>> battery.
>>>>
>>>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users
>>>> from eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:45:50 -0400, Ghislain wrote:
[color=blue]
> On the '97 Corolla, the wheel wells also appeared to have surface rust, but
> they actually rusted from inside because of a lack of antirust (most 93-97
> Corollas in my area have the same issue).
>
> Did you ever replace the fuel tank? I never had a Toyota fuel tank last more
> than 8 years.[/color]

Wow...I've got a 20 year old tank in my 'Hachiroku'.

It has been kept FULL since the day I bought it.


[color=blue]
>
> "homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> tmvRg.7212$oD3.7052@newsfe16.lga...[color=green]
>> The last car I had was a 91 Tercel, now 15 years old and up for sale.
>> There is surface rust forming on the wheel wells and along the bottom edge
>> of the car body. My Tercel was originally rust proofed and had a Diamond
>> cote paint sealant applied at the dealership. The paint sealant was not
>> very helpful. There are a lot of trains nearby where I work and the white
>> paint soon got spotted with small black specks. The dealer said it was
>> industrial fall out. I figure it was probably caused by continuous
>> exposure to diesel exhaust and rail dust. Nevertheless, the paint
>> protection was not warranted against that kind of thing, so it was a waste
>> of money. The rust proofing (waxoil) on the other hand, was probably
>> worth it, as the rust just started forming around four years ago, and it
>> only appears on the outside painted surface of the car body. There is
>> little evidence of rust on the underside of the car and no perforations.
>>
>> I looked at the new Corolla underside and it already appears to be
>> thoroughly coated with a thick rubberized material and the seams are all
>> well sealed, so applying a rust proofing material over this seems
>> redundant. However, I figured if the electronic rust protection system is
>> capable of just slowing the rust from forming on stone chips during the
>> winter months it maybe helpful. That's really all I had in mind. If I'm
>> lucky, I hope to keep my new car as long as my last one.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ghislain" <ghislaing@teksavvyDOTcom> wrote in message
>> news:HcadnVWzfeyLXojYnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@teksavvy.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Do cars in your area rust (they certainly do in my area, including
>>> Toyotas). How long do you plan on keeping your car? My daughter has a low
>>> mileage '97 Corolla that has rusted through in areas not protected by a
>>> good oil-based antirust (not enough access holes drilled to reach those
>>> areas) while the rest of the car shows no rust at all.
>>>
>>> A few months ago, I checked several 4-5 years old Corollas and most had
>>> minor rust in some areas.
>>> "homepc" <wiebe08@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>> n%dRg.41487$CV3.2804@newsfe16.lga...
>>>> Just negotiated a purchase for a 2007 Corolla CE and was considering
>>>> getting an electronic rust inhibitor offered by the dealership installed
>>>> at the same time. I was told the dealer version is a better, more
>>>> robust model that the electronic Counteract rust protection system being
>>>> sold at Canadian Tire because it generates a higher charge on the car
>>>> body and it has a safety cut off to prevent killing the car battery.
>>>>
>>>> Is this snake oil or is there something to it? Are there any users from
>>>> eastern Canada that have a similar product installed on their car?
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]