Why buy a Prius now, when-

Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in!

<misterfact@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159295285.763642.197340@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
> on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
> Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
> parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
> battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in![/color]

How nice.

Of course this doesn't address the fact that as far as infrastructure needed
to purchase, drive it around and dispose of it when it's worn beyond
repair - roads, concrete plants, parking lots, automobile factories,
landfill space - it consumes as much resources as a Hummer. The difference
in fuel use while driving it, while obvious at the pump is negligible in the
overall scheme of things.

Purchasing a sound used car in good condition that's already been through
the manufacturing process, is far cheaper than a car payment and a smaller
gasoline bill even if it consumes a lot more gas. It's also a much wiser
use of resources than trading in your current (fill in the blank) for a new
Pious, if that sort of thing concerns you.

Or, you can continue to be part of the problem and consume consume consume,
while deluding yourself and assuaging your guilt by telling yourself that
the hybrid is going to make a difference.
--
Mike Harris
95 Tacoma 2WD
87 Corolla hatchback
63 Willys Jeep wagon, SBC conversion
Austin, TX

"Mike Harris" <harrisremovethiswest@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IVeSg.5726$e66.4868@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...[color=blue]
> <misterfact@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1159295285.763642.197340@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
>> on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
>> Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
>> parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
>> battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in![/color]
>
> How nice.
>
> Of course this doesn't address the fact that as far as infrastructure
> needed to purchase, drive it around and dispose of it when it's worn
> beyond repair - roads, concrete plants, parking lots, automobile
> factories, landfill space - it consumes as much resources as a Hummer.[/color]

The only study I've seen on that makes the laughable assumption that the
Prius owner will be pitching it onto the scrap heap at 100,000 miles and
that the Hummer will last at least 300,000 miles. R-i-i-g-h-t.
[color=blue]
> The difference in fuel use while driving it, while obvious at the pump is
> negligible in the overall scheme of things.
>
> Purchasing a sound used car in good condition that's already been through
> the manufacturing process, is far cheaper than a car payment and a smaller
> gasoline bill even if it consumes a lot more gas. It's also a much wiser
> use of resources than trading in your current (fill in the blank) for a
> new Pious, if that sort of thing concerns you.
>
> Or, you can continue to be part of the problem and consume consume
> consume, while deluding yourself and assuaging your guilt by telling
> yourself that the hybrid is going to make a difference.
> --
> Mike Harris
> 95 Tacoma 2WD
> 87 Corolla hatchback
> 63 Willys Jeep wagon, SBC conversion
> Austin, TX
>
>
>
>[/color]



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[email]misterfact@yahoo.com[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
> Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
> on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
> Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
> parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
> battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in![/color]

Got a reference for this? It seems to me that the solar panels are only
going to add significant energy when the car is being driven. It is my
understanding that the Prius battery is kept in a high state of charge
while the car is in use, so it seems that the solar panels can't add
much energy while the car is just setting there (you would usually only
be topping off the last 5 or 10% of a charge in most situations). I
suppose a software change could allow the batteries to be discharged
much further, but that is going to adversely affect the life of the
batteries. The amount of solar energy collected while the car is in use
is going to be trivial for most people in most situations. It seems to
me that the disadvantages of having a car covered in solar cells will
far out weigh any benefits.

Ed

[Doctor J]

Hybride car is not an alternative!
The number one reason for the low gas mileage is low power-to-weight ratio. So, in order to save the gas, we all need to switch to Geo Metro or the old forgotten air-cooled Honda or, at least , the BMW Isette. But as long as the full size monsters are on the road and/or dangerous drivers are behind the wheel, driving the subcompact car is unnecessary heroism.
In Europe, for example, only weathy people could drive the big cars.(This does not mean that they are the good drivers, but at least they could pay for liability damages).

"Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1159300997.297901.264580@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> [email]misterfact@yahoo.com[/email] wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
>> on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
>> Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
>> parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
>> battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in![/color]
>
> Got a reference for this? It seems to me that the solar panels are only
> going to add significant energy when the car is being driven. It is my
> understanding that the Prius battery is kept in a high state of charge
> while the car is in use, so it seems that the solar panels can't add
> much energy while the car is just setting there (you would usually only
> be topping off the last 5 or 10% of a charge in most situations). I
> suppose a software change could allow the batteries to be discharged
> much further, but that is going to adversely affect the life of the
> batteries. The amount of solar energy collected while the car is in use
> is going to be trivial for most people in most situations. It seems to
> me that the disadvantages of having a car covered in solar cells will
> far out weigh any benefits.
>
> Ed[/color]

Why would the solar panel only add significant energy when the car is being
driven? Since most solar panel applications are not automotive-related, I
would think that driving the vehicle would not have any effect.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

In article <IVeSg.5726$e66.4868@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mike Harris" <harrisremovethiswest@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
> > Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
> > on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
> > Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
> > parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
> > battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in![/color]
>
> How nice.
>
> Of course this doesn't address the fact that as far as infrastructure needed
> to purchase, drive it around and dispose of it when it's worn beyond
> repair - roads, concrete plants, parking lots, automobile factories,
> landfill space - it consumes as much resources as a Hummer. The difference
> in fuel use while driving it, while obvious at the pump is negligible in the
> overall scheme of things.
>
> Purchasing a sound used car in good condition that's already been through
> the manufacturing process, is far cheaper than a car payment and a smaller
> gasoline bill even if it consumes a lot more gas. It's also a much wiser
> use of resources than trading in your current (fill in the blank) for a new
> Pious, if that sort of thing concerns you.
>
> Or, you can continue to be part of the problem and consume consume consume,
> while deluding yourself and assuaging your guilt by telling yourself that
> the hybrid is going to make a difference.[/color]

It's like people who insist on using recycled paper. To make recycled
paper a nice white again requires MORE resources than just starting with
trees and making white paper.

But people are stupid, and they focus on only one little part of the
entire issue. That's what makes marketing people successful--they can
heavily market to that little part of the buyer's brain that's working.

"DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
news:45197262$0$19724$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...[color=blue]
> "Mike Harris" <harrisremovethiswest@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:IVeSg.5726$e66.4868@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...[color=green]
>> <misterfact@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1159295285.763642.197340@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
>>> on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
>>> Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
>>> parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
>>> battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in![/color]
>>
>> How nice.
>>
>> Of course this doesn't address the fact that as far as infrastructure
>> needed to purchase, drive it around and dispose of it when it's worn
>> beyond repair - roads, concrete plants, parking lots, automobile
>> factories, landfill space - it consumes as much resources as a Hummer.[/color]
>
> The only study I've seen on that makes the laughable assumption that the
> Prius owner will be pitching it onto the scrap heap at 100,000 miles and
> that the Hummer will last at least 300,000 miles. R-i-i-g-h-t.[/color]

You need to get your mind out of the fuel tank, DH. Regardless of the
expected life of either vehicle, they still consume the same road space,
parking space and so forth.

Compare fixed costs vs variable costs. Let's for the sake of argument call
it fixed resource consumption vs variable resource consomption for clarity.
An economist would quibble that they're the same thing but it'll make it
easier to comprehend for those liberal-arts majors and greenies who like to
believe that finite resources should be allocated in some other manner
besides price - "from each according to his abilities, to each according to
his needs" sounds equitable and has a nice ring to it, but I digress.

While the variable resource consumption is less with the Pius - and it's
incrementally less, not by anything significant like an order of magnitude -
the fixed resource consumption is the same and by far counterbalances the
variable resource consumption of ownership. As anyone who's ever priced
paving a private road can tell you.

Ask not who the paving machine runs for, Pious Driver - it runs for thee.
--
Mike Harris
Austin TX

"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
news:b6ceb$45198d28$44a4a10d$25673@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1159300997.297901.264580@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>>
>> [email]misterfact@yahoo.com[/email] wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
>>> on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
>>> Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
>>> parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
>>> battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in![/color]
>>
>> Got a reference for this? It seems to me that the solar panels are only
>> going to add significant energy when the car is being driven. It is my
>> understanding that the Prius battery is kept in a high state of charge
>> while the car is in use, so it seems that the solar panels can't add
>> much energy while the car is just setting there (you would usually only
>> be topping off the last 5 or 10% of a charge in most situations). I
>> suppose a software change could allow the batteries to be discharged
>> much further, but that is going to adversely affect the life of the
>> batteries. The amount of solar energy collected while the car is in use
>> is going to be trivial for most people in most situations. It seems to
>> me that the disadvantages of having a car covered in solar cells will
>> far out weigh any benefits.
>>
>> Ed[/color]
>
> Why would the solar panel only add significant energy when the car is
> being driven? Since most solar panel applications are not
> automotive-related, I would think that driving the vehicle would not have
> any effect.
> --
>
> Ray O[/color]

Ray,

It has to do with storage capacity.

If the ECM keeps the battery bank as close to a full state of charge as
practical (and for the sake of battery life I don't doubt that this is the
case) the solar cell won't have anywhere to put the small amount of energy
it generates.

On the other hand, while moving the electric drive system is consuming power
, so the solar cell has someplace to put the energy it's generating - for
what little it's worth.

Keep in mind the low output of solar panels. A 150 watt panel is pretty
sizeable but this is only about 12 amps and everything has to be perfect to
get that sort of power. Figure half that - 6 amps. Compare this to the
amperage put out by an average alternator, let alone the charging system in
a hybrid.

A solar panel on a hybrid is nothing but a "warm fuzzy" for the nut crunch
bunch.
--
Mike Harris
Austin, TX

"Mike Harris" <harrisremovethiswest@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:sugSg.6808$7I1.4356@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...[color=blue]
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> news:b6ceb$45198d28$44a4a10d$25673@msgid.meganewsservers.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1159300997.297901.264580@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> [email]misterfact@yahoo.com[/email] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
>>>> on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
>>>> Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
>>>> parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
>>>> battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in!
>>>
>>> Got a reference for this? It seems to me that the solar panels are only
>>> going to add significant energy when the car is being driven. It is my
>>> understanding that the Prius battery is kept in a high state of charge
>>> while the car is in use, so it seems that the solar panels can't add
>>> much energy while the car is just setting there (you would usually only
>>> be topping off the last 5 or 10% of a charge in most situations). I
>>> suppose a software change could allow the batteries to be discharged
>>> much further, but that is going to adversely affect the life of the
>>> batteries. The amount of solar energy collected while the car is in use
>>> is going to be trivial for most people in most situations. It seems to
>>> me that the disadvantages of having a car covered in solar cells will
>>> far out weigh any benefits.
>>>
>>> Ed[/color]
>>
>> Why would the solar panel only add significant energy when the car is
>> being driven? Since most solar panel applications are not
>> automotive-related, I would think that driving the vehicle would not have
>> any effect.
>> --
>>
>> Ray O[/color]
>
> Ray,
>
> It has to do with storage capacity.[/color]

Does storage capacity change if the vehicle is moving?
[color=blue]
>
> If the ECM keeps the battery bank as close to a full state of charge as
> practical (and for the sake of battery life I don't doubt that this is the
> case) the solar cell won't have anywhere to put the small amount of energy
> it generates.[/color]

The ECM does not keep the battery bank as close to a full state of charge as
practical. It keeps it somewhere between 45% and 75% charged.
[color=blue]
>
> On the other hand, while moving the electric drive system is consuming
> power , so the solar cell has someplace to put the energy it's
> generating - for what little it's worth.
>
> Keep in mind the low output of solar panels. A 150 watt panel is pretty
> sizeable but this is only about 12 amps and everything has to be perfect
> to get that sort of power. Figure half that - 6 amps. Compare this to
> the amperage put out by an average alternator, let alone the charging
> system in a hybrid.
>[/color]

I am not saying that you are right or wrong, however, logically, these 2
paragraphs are disconnected. Both paragraphs are factually and conceptually
correct, but they do not prove or disprove your assertion that a solar panel
panel is more efficient if the vehicle is moving.

Perhaps my understanding of the concept of efficiency is flawed, by my
understanding is that if something is more "efficient" it has to do more
work with less energy consumption or it has to do the same or more work in
less time.

Since a solar panel does not consume energy that we have to provide it, for
it to be more "efficient," it has to provide more electricity over the same
amount of time or provide the same electricity in less time, or more watts.

How does placing a load (in your explanation, the electric motor) on the
solar panel make the panel produce more watts than if the load were a
replenishing the charge on a battery?
[color=blue]
> A solar panel on a hybrid is nothing but a "warm fuzzy" for the nut crunch
> bunch.
> --
> Mike Harris
> Austin, TX[/color]

I tend to agree with this sentiment, but not because the panels are more
efficient when the engine is running.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Photovoltaic panels work with light not just sun, and they are very
expensive. Nothing is free and I wonder if the panels will be cover by ones
comprehensive coverage. I once considered using photovoltaic panels to
generate enough electricity to power my home in Key West. The property was
not big enough to install enough of them to do the job and the cost was
astronomical. I could not ever have recovered the cost in electrical rate
savings in my lifetime. I did install a system to heat water but it too was
expensive, over 17K and volume in limited. My home owner insurance does
not cover damage to the panels ;)


mike hunt


<misterfact@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159295285.763642.197340@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
> on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
> Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
> parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
> battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in!
>[/color]

Better yet go to a junk yard to get your next car. That way you will help
recycle the cars and you can buy recycled parts there as well to save even
more money and help to save the environment. Look for a diesel, you can run
it on free cooking oil from McDonalds ;)


mike, hunt


"Mike Harris" <harrisremovethiswest@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:IVeSg.5726$e66.4868@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...[color=blue]
> <misterfact@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1159295285.763642.197340@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof panel
>> on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
>> Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
>> parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
>> battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in![/color]
>
> How nice.
>
> Of course this doesn't address the fact that as far as infrastructure
> needed to purchase, drive it around and dispose of it when it's worn
> beyond repair - roads, concrete plants, parking lots, automobile
> factories, landfill space - it consumes as much resources as a Hummer.
> The difference in fuel use while driving it, while obvious at the pump is
> negligible in the overall scheme of things.
>
> Purchasing a sound used car in good condition that's already been through
> the manufacturing process, is far cheaper than a car payment and a smaller
> gasoline bill even if it consumes a lot more gas. It's also a much wiser
> use of resources than trading in your current (fill in the blank) for a
> new Pious, if that sort of thing concerns you.
>
> Or, you can continue to be part of the problem and consume consume
> consume, while deluding yourself and assuaging your guilt by telling
> yourself that the hybrid is going to make a difference.
> --
> Mike Harris
> 95 Tacoma 2WD
> 87 Corolla hatchback
> 63 Willys Jeep wagon, SBC conversion
> Austin, TX
>
>
>
>[/color]

Let me see if I understand what you are saying. In Europe the rich drive
big cars and the not so rich buy small cars, correct? Sound a lot like the
US to me.. I do not know anybody that can afford a big or luxury car that
drives a cheap small car ;)


mike hunt


"Doctor J" <Doctor.J.2ere8a@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> wrote in message
news:Doctor.J.2ere8a@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au...[color=blue]
>
> Hybride car is not an alternative!
> The number one reason for the low gas mileage is low power-to-weight
> ratio. So, in order to save the gas, we all need to switch to Geo
> Metro or the old forgotten air-cooled Honda or, at least , the BMW
> Isette. But as long as the full size monsters are on the road and/or
> dangerous drivers are behind the wheel, driving the subcompact car is
> unnecessary heroism.
> In Europe, for example, only weathy people could drive the big
> cars.(This does not mean that they are the good drivers, but at least
> they could pay for liability damages).
>
>
> --
> Doctor J
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Doctor J's Profile:
> [url]http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/member.php?userid=53661[/url]
> View this thread:
> [url]http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157411[/url]
>[/color]

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:cqicnZtskqFxLoTYUSdV9g@ptd.net...[color=blue]
> Let me see if I understand what you are saying. In Europe the rich drive
> big cars and the not so rich buy small cars, correct? Sound a lot like
> the US to me.. I do not know anybody that can afford a big or luxury
> car that drives a cheap small car ;)
>
>
> mike hunt[/color]

Those old forgotten air-cooled Hondas were great for the environment because
they did not have emissions control equipment to clutter up junk yards, and
of course, the average driver was much better at setting the manual choke to
avoid rich or lean mixtures ;-)
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)[color=blue]
>
>
> "Doctor J" <Doctor.J.2ere8a@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> wrote in
> message news:Doctor.J.2ere8a@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au...[color=green]
>>
>> Hybride car is not an alternative!
>> The number one reason for the low gas mileage is low power-to-weight
>> ratio. So, in order to save the gas, we all need to switch to Geo
>> Metro or the old forgotten air-cooled Honda or, at least , the BMW
>> Isette. But as long as the full size monsters are on the road and/or
>> dangerous drivers are behind the wheel, driving the subcompact car is
>> unnecessary heroism.
>> In Europe, for example, only weathy people could drive the big
>> cars.(This does not mean that they are the good drivers, but at least
>> they could pay for liability damages).
>>
>>
>> --
>> Doctor J
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Doctor J's Profile:
>> [url]http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/member.php?userid=53661[/url]
>> View this thread:
>> [url]http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157411[/url]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

"Mike Harris" <harrisremovethiswest@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "DH" <dh@stargate.com> wrote in message
> news:45197262$0$19724$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...[color=green]
> > "Mike Harris" <harrisremovethiswest@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:IVeSg.5726$e66.4868@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...[color=darkred]
> >> <misterfact@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1159295285.763642.197340@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Toyota will soon come out with a built-in solar photovoltaic roof[/color][/color][/color]
panel[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>> on the car and a bigger capacity battery!
> >>> Depending on how much sunlight falls on the panels why being driven or
> >>> parked- you'll get up to 30 miles on FREE SOLAR ENERGY from the
> >>> battery alone- before the gasoline motor kicks in!
> >>
> >> How nice.
> >>
> >> Of course this doesn't address the fact that as far as infrastructure
> >> needed to purchase, drive it around and dispose of it when it's worn
> >> beyond repair - roads, concrete plants, parking lots, automobile
> >> factories, landfill space - it consumes as much resources as a Hummer.[/color]
> >
> > The only study I've seen on that makes the laughable assumption that the
> > Prius owner will be pitching it onto the scrap heap at 100,000 miles and
> > that the Hummer will last at least 300,000 miles. R-i-i-g-h-t.[/color]
>
> You need to get your mind out of the fuel tank, DH. Regardless of the
> expected life of either vehicle, they still consume the same road space,
> parking space and so forth.
>
> Compare fixed costs vs variable costs. Let's for the sake of argument[/color]
call[color=blue]
> it fixed resource consumption vs variable resource consomption for[/color]
clarity.[color=blue]
> An economist would quibble that they're the same thing but it'll make it
> easier to comprehend for those liberal-arts majors and greenies who like[/color]
to[color=blue]
> believe that finite resources should be allocated in some other manner
> besides price - "from each according to his abilities, to each according[/color]
to[color=blue]
> his needs" sounds equitable and has a nice ring to it, but I digress.
>
> While the variable resource consumption is less with the Pius - and it's
> incrementally less, not by anything significant like an order of[/color]
magnitude -[color=blue]
> the fixed resource consumption is the same and by far counterbalances the
> variable resource consumption of ownership. As anyone who's ever priced
> paving a private road can tell you.
>
> Ask not who the paving machine runs for, Pious Driver - it runs for thee.
> --
> Mike Harris
> Austin TX[/color]

You're going to have to define your idea of fixed vs variable resources.

For example, one of your resources - pavement use - is, in fact, unequal
between the Hummer and the Prius - the 3000lb vehicle has significantly less
impact on road wear than the 6000 lb vehicle. The Prius can use a compact
parking space (popular in ramps) that the Hummer can not. Heck, there's
ramps around here that don't have the height clearance required by the
Hummer.

As I said, the only studies I've seen that "prove" the Prius is as
resource-intensive as a Hummer make absurd assumptions.



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