toyota website

This must be one of the slowest websites on the
internet.

It takes forever to navigate due to the fancy-shmanzy
graphics/animations which add zero to the information
content.

Arghh ... it *is* possible to have a nice site that's
not crawling

(sorry, just had to vent)

In article <kbuTg.251$If3.39@trnddc07>
[email]ebonakDUH@hotmail.com[/email] "Esmail Bonakdarian" writes:
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> This must be one of the slowest websites on the
> internet.
>
> It takes forever to navigate due to the fancy-shmanzy
> graphics/animations which add zero to the information
> content.
>
> Arghh ... it *is* possible to have a nice site that's
> not crawling
>
> (sorry, just had to vent)[/color]

I agree. There are some really stupid site "designers" drawing a
wage. They don't seem to understand it's all about communication
rather than showing-off. Vanilla, unadorned, standards-compliant
HTML 4.0 will do an amazing amount -- and is fast. Just wait for
the day when the Internet charges for all traffic by the byte.
--
Andrew Stephenson

[email]ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk[/email] (Andrew Stephenson) wrote in
news:1159633805snz@deltrak.demon.co.uk:
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> In article <kbuTg.251$If3.39@trnddc07>
> [email]ebonakDUH@hotmail.com[/email] "Esmail Bonakdarian" writes:
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>> This must be one of the slowest websites on the
>> internet.
>>
>> It takes forever to navigate due to the fancy-shmanzy
>> graphics/animations which add zero to the information
>> content.
>>
>> Arghh ... it *is* possible to have a nice site that's
>> not crawling
>>
>> (sorry, just had to vent)[/color]
>
> I agree. There are some really stupid site "designers" drawing a
> wage. They don't seem to understand it's all about communication
> rather than showing-off. Vanilla, unadorned, standards-compliant
> HTML 4.0 will do an amazing amount -- and is fast. Just wait for
> the day when the Internet charges for all traffic by the byte.[/color]


You two must be using dialup, my broadband connection loaded the site in
just over one second.

Blondie wrote:[color=blue]
>
> You two must be using dialup, my broadband connection loaded the site in
> just over one second.[/color]

Nope, fast DSL .. just like Andrew said, it's a design issue. All the
graphics just ad unnecessary overhead.

Different strokes for different folks .. :-)

Esmail Bonakdarian <ebonakDUH@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:8VBTg.1472$3T2.724@trnddc06:
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> Blondie wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> You two must be using dialup, my broadband connection loaded the site
>> in just over one second.[/color]
>
> Nope, fast DSL .. just like Andrew said, it's a design issue. All the
> graphics just ad unnecessary overhead.
>
> Different strokes for different folks .. :-)
>[/color]

Hmmmmm, tend to agree with you about the multimedia bloat on the website.
My broadband cable modem connection averages 3.2 to 3.7 Mbps DL speed,
sometimes I forget just how fast I DL data. Can you imagine what the poor
beggars who have no option but dialup are going through to view the
website?

This multimedia is called Flash, and in my opinion a HORRIBLE way to
build a complete site from. I don't mind flash for use in showing
video/animations (even cheesey games) but using it for page content and
navigation is a dumb move by Toyota. I am a bit biased as a Linux user
because I am unable to even use the site in Linux (as we're still only
able to use Flash 7.x, of which Toyota stupidly does not work under).
In doing site design like this, you're forcing your audience (and
potential customers) to download/install a 3rd party proprietary
application just to view your site. This almost persuded me to not
bother checking out any Toyota cars a few months back when we were
buying a new car. I hated going to the dealership unprepared with
approx. pricing and model options.


Blondie wrote:[color=blue]
> Esmail Bonakdarian <ebonakDUH@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:8VBTg.1472$3T2.724@trnddc06:
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> > Blondie wrote:[color=darkred]
> >>
> >> You two must be using dialup, my broadband connection loaded the site
> >> in just over one second.[/color]
> >
> > Nope, fast DSL .. just like Andrew said, it's a design issue. All the
> > graphics just ad unnecessary overhead.
> >
> > Different strokes for different folks .. :-)
> >[/color]
>
> Hmmmmm, tend to agree with you about the multimedia bloat on the website.
> My broadband cable modem connection averages 3.2 to 3.7 Mbps DL speed,
> sometimes I forget just how fast I DL data. Can you imagine what the poor
> beggars who have no option but dialup are going through to view the
> website?[/color]

[email]grodenhi@gmail.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> This multimedia is called Flash, and in my opinion a HORRIBLE way to
> build a complete site from. I don't mind flash for use in showing
> video/animations (even cheesey games) but using it for page content and
> navigation is a dumb move by Toyota. I am a bit biased as a Linux user
> because I am unable to even use the site in Linux[/color]

ditto here, though I also have a XP box for use. Every web page I have
put together has always been with focus on contents not so much
flash (pun intended). Or I had two version, a low graphics version,
and one that indulged in it. Personally, I love google's philosophy,
lean and mean.

And if you want to have those heavy duty animations available, make
them optional or use them for special features, not general navigation.

Oh well .. Honda's just as bad as I found out.

Cheers,
Esmail