Mount Tire

Not exactly about car, but I got a flat tire on my tractor and the tire came
off the rim. The tire is still inside the rim, just not sealed onto the
edge. I tried to put it back on by inflating it with the shut-off valve of
the stem valve removed. But it's obviously leaking faster than the air can
get in and the tire wouldn't seal the rim edge. Any tips how I can get the
tire on?

Thanks for any help!

"ZR" <ZR@ABC.com> wrote in message
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> Not exactly about car, but I got a flat tire on my tractor and the tire
> came off the rim. The tire is still inside the rim, just not sealed onto
> the edge. I tried to put it back on by inflating it with the shut-off
> valve of the stem valve removed. But it's obviously leaking faster than
> the air can get in and the tire wouldn't seal the rim edge. Any tips how I
> can get the tire on?[/color]

Most tire shops have a tire girdle they put around the middle of the tire
and it squeezes the tire to the point it will allow you to inflate it.
Lacking that, you might be able to use a rope and a piece of pipe and make a
tourniquet out of it and squeeze the tire so the bead contacts both sides of
the rim so you can inflate it.
B~

"B. Peg" <bent_peg@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "ZR" <ZR@ABC.com> wrote in message
> news:p5HTg.1254$Lv3.1011@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=green]
>> Not exactly about car, but I got a flat tire on my tractor and the tire
>> came off the rim. The tire is still inside the rim, just not sealed onto
>> the edge. I tried to put it back on by inflating it with the shut-off
>> valve of the stem valve removed. But it's obviously leaking faster than
>> the air can get in and the tire wouldn't seal the rim edge. Any tips how
>> I can get the tire on?[/color]
>
> Most tire shops have a tire girdle they put around the middle of the tire
> and it squeezes the tire to the point it will allow you to inflate it.
> Lacking that, you might be able to use a rope and a piece of pipe and make
> a tourniquet out of it and squeeze the tire so the bead contacts both
> sides of the rim so you can inflate it.
> B~
>
>[/color]

Being that you are talking about a tractor, I'm hoping that maybe you are
out in the country and just run by your local co-op and have them put it on.
We had it happen once and the co-op out here didn't charge us a thing.

>>> Not exactly about car, but I got a flat tire on my tractor and the tire[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> came off the rim. The tire is still inside the rim, just not sealed onto
>>> the edge. I tried to put it back on by inflating it with the shut-off
>>> valve of the stem valve removed. But it's obviously leaking faster than
>>> the air can get in and the tire wouldn't seal the rim edge. Any tips how
>>> I can get the tire on?[/color]
>>
>> Most tire shops have a tire girdle they put around the middle of the tire
>> and it squeezes the tire to the point it will allow you to inflate it.
>> Lacking that, you might be able to use a rope and a piece of pipe and
>> make a tourniquet out of it and squeeze the tire so the bead contacts
>> both sides of the rim so you can inflate it.
>> B~
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Being that you are talking about a tractor, I'm hoping that maybe you are
> out in the country and just run by your local co-op and have them put it
> on. We had it happen once and the co-op out here didn't charge us a thing.[/color]

Thanks for the tips. I'll try the rope technique first. It's actually a lawn
tractor.

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[email]ZR@ABC.com[/email] "ZR" writes:
[color=blue]
> Not exactly about car, but I got a flat tire on my tractor and the tire came
> off the rim. The tire is still inside the rim, just not sealed onto the
> edge. I tried to put it back on by inflating it with the shut-off valve of
> the stem valve removed. But it's obviously leaking faster than the air can
> get in and the tire wouldn't seal the rim edge. Any tips how I can get the
> tire on?[/color]

On BBC TV, a few years ago, they showed how Icelanders solve that
problem. A small group of off-road vehicles were on a rough ride
through remote lava fields when the tyre of one came off its rim.

They lifted the offending corner, to take the load off it, puffed
lighter-fluid around inside the tyre and waved flame at it. The
fluid-air mix exploded, slamming the tyre into place. While the
gas within was hot and keeping the tyre in place, they pumped up
the tyre properly. And drove on. Apparently this is/was SOP.

I assume they gave the tyre some proper TLC once they got home.

BTW, I am not an Icelander (nor do I play one on TV) nor should I
be regarded as a reliable source on this _dangerous_ technique.
--
Andrew Stephenson

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:33:47 GMT, "ZR" <ZR@ABC.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Thanks for the tips. I'll try the rope technique first. It's actually a lawn
>tractor.[/color]

Go to the local tire shop with a plastic margarine tub and get a
little sample of the vegetable oil based "tire mounting lubricant"
(soap) that they use, or go to a good parts house like NAPA and
get/order the smallest container they have - one pound would be a
lifetime supply. No regular dish soap or household bar soap, that
will eventually destroy the rubber.

Ahh, here it is:
[url]http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=BK&PartNumber=7652434&Description=Lubricant+-+Rubber+Based+%2f+RuGlyde[/url]

$7.49 for 1 gallon liquid - and I think that's a concentrate that you
cut 2:1 or more with water before use. A lifetime supply.

Wipe a little on the tire before you use the rope trick. It helps
make a seal and the tire bead slides into final position much easier.

CAUTION: A better choice than plain rope would be a good H-D
(Ancra) motorcycle nylon tie-down strap with the hooks fastened to
itself, and wrapped around the tire twice - and stand off to the side
as you apply the air... Reason being as you inflate the tire you will
generate a LOT of force on that strap, and you don't want to chance it
coming apart at the knot - or the rope twisting stick coming unwound
with extreme velocity behind it.

WARNING: Do NOT get over enthusiastic with the air - 20 PSI or the
tire sidewall rating max. If the tire breaks the bead-wire and blows
the bead or that strap around the tread snaps, things can start flying
with lethal force.

(WARNING, cont'd:) Truck tires can and do kill people when they come
apart under pressure (and older truck rims have the added hazard of
split-rim rings) which is why tire shops have the big safety cages for
inflating them in to seat the beads. But even the little ones like
car tires and that lawn tractor can still mess you up good if you do
it way wrong and are standing in the wrong place. Learn and live.

Take the valve stem core out of the tire so when you remove the air
chuck the pressure bleeds back off. You can also get a special
lock-on air chuck so you can stand several feet away and control the
air remotely, not standing in line of the beads or the strap.

And if that doesn't work, ask to borrow the tire shop's "Cheetah"
bead-setter tank - 5 or 7.5 gallon air tank with a 2" valve and a
special flat nozzle, you aim the air blast in the gap between the bead
and rim and let it all go in at once, and the bead pops right on the
rim like magic. (Eye Protection and Hearing Protection Required.)

[url]http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=NTH&PartNumber=90351&Description=Tire+Bead+Seating+Tool[/url]

You might not want to buy one unless this happens a lot, and you
live a long way from civilization. They're Six Large... :eek:

--<< Bruce >>--

>>Thanks for the tips. I'll try the rope technique first. It's actually a[color=blue][color=green]
>>lawn
>>tractor.[/color]
>
> Go to the local tire shop with a plastic margarine tub and get a
> little sample of the vegetable oil based "tire mounting lubricant"
> (soap) that they use, or go to a good parts house like NAPA and
> get/order the smallest container they have - one pound would be a
> lifetime supply. No regular dish soap or household bar soap, that
> will eventually destroy the rubber.
>
> Ahh, here it is:
> [url]http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=BK&PartNumber=7652434&Description=Lubricant+-+Rubber+Based+%2f+RuGlyde[/url]
>
> $7.49 for 1 gallon liquid - and I think that's a concentrate that you
> cut 2:1 or more with water before use. A lifetime supply.
>
> Wipe a little on the tire before you use the rope trick. It helps
> make a seal and the tire bead slides into final position much easier.
>
> CAUTION: A better choice than plain rope would be a good H-D
> (Ancra) motorcycle nylon tie-down strap with the hooks fastened to
> itself, and wrapped around the tire twice - and stand off to the side
> as you apply the air... Reason being as you inflate the tire you will
> generate a LOT of force on that strap, and you don't want to chance it
> coming apart at the knot - or the rope twisting stick coming unwound
> with extreme velocity behind it.
>
> WARNING: Do NOT get over enthusiastic with the air - 20 PSI or the
> tire sidewall rating max. If the tire breaks the bead-wire and blows
> the bead or that strap around the tread snaps, things can start flying
> with lethal force.
>
> (WARNING, cont'd:) Truck tires can and do kill people when they come
> apart under pressure (and older truck rims have the added hazard of
> split-rim rings) which is why tire shops have the big safety cages for
> inflating them in to seat the beads. But even the little ones like
> car tires and that lawn tractor can still mess you up good if you do
> it way wrong and are standing in the wrong place. Learn and live.
>
> Take the valve stem core out of the tire so when you remove the air
> chuck the pressure bleeds back off. You can also get a special
> lock-on air chuck so you can stand several feet away and control the
> air remotely, not standing in line of the beads or the strap.
>
> And if that doesn't work, ask to borrow the tire shop's "Cheetah"
> bead-setter tank - 5 or 7.5 gallon air tank with a 2" valve and a
> special flat nozzle, you aim the air blast in the gap between the bead
> and rim and let it all go in at once, and the bead pops right on the
> rim like magic. (Eye Protection and Hearing Protection Required.)
>
> [url]http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=NTH&PartNumber=90351&Description=Tire+Bead+Seating+Tool[/url]
>
> You might not want to buy one unless this happens a lot, and you
> live a long way from civilization. They're Six Large... :eek:
>[/color]

Wow, sounds dangerous and expensive. Better pay some one to do it. When it
came off last time few years ago, the guy in the tractor repair shop put it
back in easily without special tools other than lubricant and removing the
valve core. I thought I could do it my self. It didn't work without
lubricant. I'll try one more time with some lubricant. Thanks again!

"ZR" <ZR@ABC.com> wrote in message
news:p5HTg.1254$Lv3.1011@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...[color=blue]
> Not exactly about car, but I got a flat tire on my tractor and the tire
> came off the rim. The tire is still inside the rim, just not sealed onto
> the edge. I tried to put it back on by inflating it with the shut-off
> valve of the stem valve removed. But it's obviously leaking faster than
> the air can get in and the tire wouldn't seal the rim edge. Any tips how I
> can get the tire on?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>[/color]

wrap a ratchet load strap around the tyre and do it up tight, this should
spread the tyre a bit, take out the valve core and blow up, sometimes a
thump or two can help.

Mrcheerful

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:37:56 GMT, [email]ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk[/email] (Andrew
Stephenson) wrote:
[color=blue]
>In article <p5HTg.1254$Lv3.1011@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
> [email]ZR@ABC.com[/email] "ZR" writes:
>[color=green]
>> Not exactly about car, but I got a flat tire on my tractor and the tire came
>> off the rim. The tire is still inside the rim, just not sealed onto the
>> edge. I tried to put it back on by inflating it with the shut-off valve of
>> the stem valve removed. But it's obviously leaking faster than the air can
>> get in and the tire wouldn't seal the rim edge. Any tips how I can get the
>> tire on?[/color]
>
>On BBC TV, a few years ago, they showed how Icelanders solve that
>problem. A small group of off-road vehicles were on a rough ride
>through remote lava fields when the tyre of one came off its rim.
>
>They lifted the offending corner, to take the load off it, puffed
>lighter-fluid around inside the tyre and waved flame at it. The
>fluid-air mix exploded, slamming the tyre into place. While the
>gas within was hot and keeping the tyre in place, they pumped up
>the tyre properly. And drove on. Apparently this is/was SOP.
>
>I assume they gave the tyre some proper TLC once they got home.
>
>BTW, I am not an Icelander (nor do I play one on TV) nor should I
>be regarded as a reliable source on this _dangerous_ technique.[/color]

If you don't use too much lighter fluid, it should be fairly safe.
Though you could easily singe an eyebrow off.

Try it with gasoline, and you could be in for a world of hurt.

--<< Bruce >>--

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:29:28 GMT, "ZR" <ZR@ABC.COM> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Wow, sounds dangerous and expensive. Better pay some one to do it.[/color]

If you understand what you are doing going in, and how it can bite
you, it isn't that dangerous. It's all in knowing where NOT to stand.
[color=blue]
> When it came off last time few years ago, the guy in the tractor
>repair shop put it back in easily without special tools other than
>lubricant and removing the valve core.[/color]

You can get a lot more air into the tire fast with the core out and
a decent sized compressor tank.

If one side's bead is still seated getting the other one to seat is
downright easy - set the regulator to 30 PSI or whatever is safe for
that tire, start the air, and then grab the tire tread and pull toward
the side that is loose. If the bead gets a full seal pressure builds
up fast enough to seat the bead.

Once it seals, get off to one side as you apply more air pressure
until it POPS into final seated positron, then vent the air and go
make sure it's on straight.
[color=blue]
> I thought I could do it myself. It didn't work without
>lubricant. I'll try one more time with some lubricant. Thanks again![/color]

--<< Bruce >>--

Assuming the tires not just to big then anything you have handy that can go around the circumference of the tire and tighten enough
to reduce the diameter will work. You might have to bounce it around during inflation.

GL
Dan

"Andrew Stephenson" <ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <p5HTg.1254$Lv3.1011@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
> [email]ZR@ABC.com[/email] "ZR" writes:
>[color=green]
>> Not exactly about car, but I got a flat tire on my tractor and the tire
>> came
>> off the rim. The tire is still inside the rim, just not sealed onto the
>> edge. I tried to put it back on by inflating it with the shut-off valve
>> of
>> the stem valve removed. But it's obviously leaking faster than the air
>> can
>> get in and the tire wouldn't seal the rim edge. Any tips how I can get
>> the
>> tire on?[/color]
>
> On BBC TV, a few years ago, they showed how Icelanders solve that
> problem. A small group of off-road vehicles were on a rough ride
> through remote lava fields when the tyre of one came off its rim.
>
> They lifted the offending corner, to take the load off it, puffed
> lighter-fluid around inside the tyre and waved flame at it. The
> fluid-air mix exploded, slamming the tyre into place. While the
> gas within was hot and keeping the tyre in place, they pumped up
> the tyre properly. And drove on. Apparently this is/was SOP.
>
> I assume they gave the tyre some proper TLC once they got home.
>
> BTW, I am not an Icelander (nor do I play one on TV) nor should I
> be regarded as a reliable source on this _dangerous_ technique.
> --
> Andrew Stephenson
>[/color]

Saw this as well (Top Gear I think it was) - problem is caused by the low
pressures they run on the ice.

"Andrew Stephenson" <ames@deltrak.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <p5HTg.1254$Lv3.1011@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
> [email]ZR@ABC.com[/email] "ZR" writes:
>[color=green]
>> Not exactly about car, but I got a flat tire on my tractor and the tire
>> came
>> off the rim. The tire is still inside the rim, just not sealed onto the
>> edge. I tried to put it back on by inflating it with the shut-off valve
>> of
>> the stem valve removed. But it's obviously leaking faster than the air
>> can
>> get in and the tire wouldn't seal the rim edge. Any tips how I can get
>> the
>> tire on?[/color]
>
> On BBC TV, a few years ago, they showed how Icelanders solve that
> problem. A small group of off-road vehicles were on a rough ride
> through remote lava fields when the tyre of one came off its rim.
>
> They lifted the offending corner, to take the load off it, puffed
> lighter-fluid around inside the tyre and waved flame at it. The
> fluid-air mix exploded, slamming the tyre into place. While the
> gas within was hot and keeping the tyre in place, they pumped up
> the tyre properly. And drove on. Apparently this is/was SOP.
>
> I assume they gave the tyre some proper TLC once they got home.
>
> BTW, I am not an Icelander (nor do I play one on TV) nor should I
> be regarded as a reliable source on this _dangerous_ technique.[/color]

I have seen old timer use starting fluid (ether) to do the same thing.
Insantiy as far as I am concerned.

For something as small as a lawn tractor tire, you can probably just jiggle
the tire while you are adding air - at least I've been able to do that with
my lawn tractor tries and my sons go kart tires.

Ed

>>Wow, sounds dangerous and expensive. Better pay some one to do it.[color=blue]
>
> If you understand what you are doing going in, and how it can bite
> you, it isn't that dangerous. It's all in knowing where NOT to stand.
>[color=green]
>> When it came off last time few years ago, the guy in the tractor
>>repair shop put it back in easily without special tools other than
>>lubricant and removing the valve core.[/color]
>
> You can get a lot more air into the tire fast with the core out and
> a decent sized compressor tank.
>
> If one side's bead is still seated getting the other one to seat is
> downright easy - set the regulator to 30 PSI or whatever is safe for
> that tire, start the air, and then grab the tire tread and pull toward
> the side that is loose. If the bead gets a full seal pressure builds
> up fast enough to seat the bead.
>
> Once it seals, get off to one side as you apply more air pressure
> until it POPS into final seated positron, then vent the air and go
> make sure it's on straight.
>[color=green]
>> I thought I could do it myself. It didn't work without
>>lubricant. I'll try one more time with some lubricant. Thanks again![/color]
>[/color]

Thanks for all the tips. I got it in after applying lubricants and pushed
the leaking side a little. I didn't take out the core and stopped
immediately when it started to inflate. Then I slowly put in proper amount
of air. It's not that dangerous after all if you pay close attention and
understand what you are doing.

Thanks again!

On Oct 2, 3:27 pm, "C. E. White" <cewhi...@removemindspring.com>
wrote:
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> Insantiy as far as I am concerned.[/color]

Its not that bad so long as you dont over-estimate the amount of fluid
you need. It expands thousands of times as it ignites so you only need
a dribble. Id use the other techniques first though, unless you have
had it explained and practiced it with a knowledgable person first.
[color=blue]
> For something as small as a lawn tractor tire, you can probably just jiggle
> the tire while you are adding air - at least I've been able to do that with
> my lawn tractor tries and my sons go kart tires.[/color]

This woudl be my technique first, though im sure the OP would have done
that already.