That's pretty good Hachi, I made a recent 80% highway trip and got 31.8
mpg, averaging a little over 26 overall around town. I expect that to
improve this winter as it gets more broken in and I can turn off the
A/C for a change. Why don't you let it get closer a quarter tank
before you fill it?
BTW, our gas is down to $2.25 :-)
Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> You can see I don't drive it very much. 20 Years ago it would have had
> 3500 miles on it by now!
>
>
> Miles Gallons Mileage Price Per Mile Overall
> Average
> 81.4 3.11 26.17363344 2.839 0.108467936
> 105.4 3.601 29.26964732 2.779 0.094944772 27.72164038
> 179 6.092 29.38279711 2.739 0.09321781 29.32622222
> 220 7.264 30.28634361 2.579 0.085153891 29.83457036
> 72.4 2.862 25.29699511 2.569 0.101553564 27.79166936[/color]
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:08:06 -0700, Mark wrote:
[color=blue]
> That's pretty good Hachi, I made a recent 80% highway trip and got 31.8
> mpg, averaging a little over 26 overall around town. I expect that to
> improve this winter as it gets more broken in and I can turn off the
> A/C for a change. Why don't you let it get closer a quarter tank
> before you fill it?[/color]
I go out for a coffee at lunch, and the cheapest station has the cheapest,
best coffee ($0.65 for a refill) and is a Shell station. So I get gas and
caffiene at once! (Beats $1 at work for 8 oz...)
When I was in High School, my friend always put in $2 with an empty tank.
I put in $2 with 3/4 tank. He asked why I did it, and I said, when we
don't have money, *I'LL* have gas!!!
I've kept my tanks full ever since...
[color=blue]
>
> BTW, our gas is down to $2.25 :-)[/color]
I use 93 Octane only. I guess your mileage is pretty good!
[color=blue]
>
>
> Hachiroku wrote:[color=green]
>> You can see I don't drive it very much. 20 Years ago it would have had
>> 3500 miles on it by now!
>>
>>
>> Miles Gallons Mileage Price Per Mile Overall
>> Average
>> 81.4 3.11 26.17363344 2.839 0.108467936
>> 105.4 3.601 29.26964732 2.779 0.094944772 27.72164038
>> 179 6.092 29.38279711 2.739 0.09321781 29.32622222
>> 220 7.264 30.28634361 2.579 0.085153891 29.83457036
>> 72.4 2.862 25.29699511 2.569 0.101553564 27.79166936[/color][/color]
Uh, [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_figures[/url]
Skip to the fourth paragraph:
"One should always uphold the principle of not implying more precision
than can be justified."
Hachi, *don't* throw your money away like that on premium! I never
heard Shell being accused of having the cheapest gas, maybe it's
different in Mass. I go to Wal-Mart down here, use their gift card and
get an extra .03 off per gallon. Hess is also a good bet to have the
cheapest gas (Scott, is that what you see too?)
I'm also driving the automatic, although I think the only EPA diff. is
1 mpg on the highway.
Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:08:06 -0700, Mark wrote:
>[color=green]
> > That's pretty good Hachi, I made a recent 80% highway trip and got 31.8
> > mpg, averaging a little over 26 overall around town. I expect that to
> > improve this winter as it gets more broken in and I can turn off the
> > A/C for a change. Why don't you let it get closer a quarter tank
> > before you fill it?[/color]
>
> I go out for a coffee at lunch, and the cheapest station has the cheapest,
> best coffee ($0.65 for a refill) and is a Shell station. So I get gas and
> caffiene at once! (Beats $1 at work for 8 oz...)
>
> When I was in High School, my friend always put in $2 with an empty tank.
> I put in $2 with 3/4 tank. He asked why I did it, and I said, when we
> don't have money, *I'LL* have gas!!!
>
> I've kept my tanks full ever since...
>
>[color=green]
> >
> > BTW, our gas is down to $2.25 :-)[/color]
>
> I use 93 Octane only. I guess your mileage is pretty good!
>[color=green]
> >
> >
> > Hachiroku wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> You can see I don't drive it very much. 20 Years ago it would have had
> >> 3500 miles on it by now!
> >>
> >>
> >> Miles Gallons Mileage Price Per Mile Overall
> >> Average
> >> 81.4 3.11 26.17363344 2.839 0.108467936
> >> 105.4 3.601 29.26964732 2.779 0.094944772 27.72164038
> >> 179 6.092 29.38279711 2.739 0.09321781 29.32622222
> >> 220 7.264 30.28634361 2.579 0.085153891 29.83457036
> >> 72.4 2.862 25.29699511 2.569 0.101553564 27.79166936[/color][/color][/color]
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:39:44 -0700, Mark wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hachi, *don't* throw your money away like that on premium! I never
> heard Shell being accused of having the cheapest gas, maybe it's
> different in Mass. I go to Wal-Mart down here, use their gift card and
> get an extra .03 off per gallon. Hess is also a good bet to have the
> cheapest gas (Scott, is that what you see too?)[/color]
ARRRGGGHHHHH!!! HESS!!!!
I had a next door neighbor who ran a Hess station, and he TOLD me, DON'T
buy your gas here!!!
Did you see the post where I did a study with my Tercel? Slightly
different car, but I managed 43-45 MPG (usually, right in the middle at
44) with 93 Octane. I almost laughed out loud yesterday when a woman that
owns a Prius said, "I get 45 MPG". She bought her car new for $26,000; I
bought my '95 Tercel in 2001 for $1400. It was a good car; I should have
kept it, but I *REALLY* wanted the Supra! (I don't regret the deal too
much on warm, sunny days with the roof off and 700 Watts pumping!)
All in all, it cost me $200 LESS using 93 Octane over 30,000 miles I drove
the Tercel. Mileage using mid-grade (89 Octane) was 38-40 MPG.
I also tracked mileage over 240,000 miles with my Corolla GTS, and noticed
the same thing. The difference wasn't as stunning, however. 31-33 MPG on
Mid-Grade, 35-37 MPG using 93.
[color=blue]
>
> I'm also driving the automatic, although I think the only EPA diff. is
> 1 mpg on the highway.
>
>
> Hachiroku wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:08:06 -0700, Mark wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > That's pretty good Hachi, I made a recent 80% highway trip and got 31.8
>> > mpg, averaging a little over 26 overall around town. I expect that to
>> > improve this winter as it gets more broken in and I can turn off the
>> > A/C for a change. Why don't you let it get closer a quarter tank
>> > before you fill it?[/color]
>>
>> I go out for a coffee at lunch, and the cheapest station has the cheapest,
>> best coffee ($0.65 for a refill) and is a Shell station. So I get gas and
>> caffiene at once! (Beats $1 at work for 8 oz...)
>>
>> When I was in High School, my friend always put in $2 with an empty tank.
>> I put in $2 with 3/4 tank. He asked why I did it, and I said, when we
>> don't have money, *I'LL* have gas!!!
>>
>> I've kept my tanks full ever since...
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> > BTW, our gas is down to $2.25 :-)[/color]
>>
>> I use 93 Octane only. I guess your mileage is pretty good!
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >
>> > Hachiroku wrote:
>> >> You can see I don't drive it very much. 20 Years ago it would have had
>> >> 3500 miles on it by now!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Miles Gallons Mileage Price Per Mile Overall
>> >> Average
>> >> 81.4 3.11 26.17363344 2.839 0.108467936
>> >> 105.4 3.601 29.26964732 2.779 0.094944772 27.72164038
>> >> 179 6.092 29.38279711 2.739 0.09321781 29.32622222
>> >> 220 7.264 30.28634361 2.579 0.085153891 29.83457036
>> >> 72.4 2.862 25.29699511 2.569 0.101553564 27.79166936[/color][/color][/color]
Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> You can see I don't drive it very much. 20 Years ago it would have had
> 3500 miles on it by now!
>
>
> Miles Gallons Mileage Price Per Mile Overall
> Average
> 81.4 3.11 26.17363344 2.839 0.108467936
> 105.4 3.601 29.26964732 2.779 0.094944772 27.72164038
> 179 6.092 29.38279711 2.739 0.09321781 29.32622222
> 220 7.264 30.28634361 2.579 0.085153891 29.83457036
> 72.4 2.862 25.29699511 2.569 0.101553564 27.79166936[/color]
You are strange though, your fillups of <4 gallons seem a waste of
time- how big is your tank? If i filled up at 3 gallon intervals I'd be
filling up daily lol.
Fishface wrote:[color=blue]
> "One should always uphold the principle of not implying more precision
> than can be justified."[/color]
Which can only be less than the accuracy of your least accurate
measurement, which in a lot of cases makes monitoring mpg to .5 mpg
pointless. But we all still do it.
Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> All in all, it cost me $200 LESS using 93 Octane over 30,000 miles I drove
> the Tercel. Mileage using mid-grade (89 Octane) was 38-40 MPG.[/color]
My '05 V6 Tacoma is about a penny cheaper per mile, based on my actual
driving with ten consecutive tanks of each. However, Toyota recommends
premium fuel for this engine, so it should make a difference.
In article <DD7Vg.4248$1o.153@trndny09> [email]Trueno@ae86.gts[/email]
"Hachiroku" writes:
[color=blue]
> Did you see the post where I did a study with my Tercel? Slightly
> different car, but I managed 43-45 MPG (usually, right in the middle at
> 44) with 93 Octane. I almost laughed out loud yesterday when a woman that
> owns a Prius said, "I get 45 MPG". [...][/color]
Just curious: how big (a.k.a. massive) is the Tercel? The Prius
is not a small/compact car. One can be fooled by its lines. In
the US I suspect it would be classed as medium. And its mileage
is delivered even for drivers who aren't experts in saving fuel,
though not for bloody fool boy racers with no idea, of course.
--
Andrew Stephenson
There are a myriad of sources refuting your claim about getting better
mileage with premium gas, but if using premium causes *you* to get
better gas mileage to the point of being economically justifiable,
whether you drive the car easier, monitor the tire pressure more often,
or whatever, then by all means do it.
According to this article, the reviewer got 45 on the highway in a 95
Tercel... and I bet they *weren't* using premium gas...
[url]http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/45-int/compact-cars/toyota/tercel/1995/index.html[/url]
My 87 Camry would get over 40 on the highway without even trying
hard... on *regular* gas. It's EPA rating was 25 city/31 highway.
I too think the Prius makes much more of an "eco-friendly" statement
than do anything concrete in terms of saving energy (or especially
money) when you consider its cost and the cost and aftermath of
disposing of its batteries. But at least Toyota is doing *something*
to move us toward a more energy-efficient future.
Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:39:44 -0700, Mark wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Hachi, *don't* throw your money away like that on premium! I never
> > heard Shell being accused of having the cheapest gas, maybe it's
> > different in Mass. I go to Wal-Mart down here, use their gift card and
> > get an extra .03 off per gallon. Hess is also a good bet to have the
> > cheapest gas (Scott, is that what you see too?)[/color]
>
> ARRRGGGHHHHH!!! HESS!!!!
> I had a next door neighbor who ran a Hess station, and he TOLD me, DON'T
> buy your gas here!!!
>
> Did you see the post where I did a study with my Tercel? Slightly
> different car, but I managed 43-45 MPG (usually, right in the middle at
> 44) with 93 Octane. I almost laughed out loud yesterday when a woman that
> owns a Prius said, "I get 45 MPG". She bought her car new for $26,000; I
> bought my '95 Tercel in 2001 for $1400. It was a good car; I should have
> kept it, but I *REALLY* wanted the Supra! (I don't regret the deal too
> much on warm, sunny days with the roof off and 700 Watts pumping!)
>
>
> All in all, it cost me $200 LESS using 93 Octane over 30,000 miles I drove
> the Tercel. Mileage using mid-grade (89 Octane) was 38-40 MPG.
>
> I also tracked mileage over 240,000 miles with my Corolla GTS, and noticed
> the same thing. The difference wasn't as stunning, however. 31-33 MPG on
> Mid-Grade, 35-37 MPG using 93.
>
>[/color]
Mark wrote:[color=blue]
> There are a myriad of sources refuting your claim about getting better
> mileage with premium gas,[/color]
More modern cars (latest models) are designed to push the timing
forward as much as possible on the fuel they are provided with. Up to
the last couple of years this was not the case and cars ran no better
on super than regular if they were designed for regular. Most internet
resources quote each other, go round in circles and are chronically out
of date and mis-informed, which explains how they miss the latest info.
Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:08:06 -0700, Mark wrote:
>
> I've kept my tanks full ever since...[/color]
Keepign your tank full is costing you money - youd get better milage if
you kept it more empty. On a small light car the % increase in economy
is noticable (1-2mpg on my old peugeot, approximately)
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:59:02 -0700, Coyoteboy wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> Hachiroku wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:08:06 -0700, Mark wrote:
>>
>> I've kept my tanks full ever since...[/color]
>
> Keepign your tank full is costing you money - youd get better milage if
> you kept it more empty. On a small light car the % increase in economy
> is noticable (1-2mpg on my old peugeot, approximately)[/color]
Well, I also have two 20 year old cars with fuel tanks in PERFECT condtion.
When you weigh in the cost of replacing fuel tanks, I've saved a lot more
than the $200.
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:27:44 -0700, Mark wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> There are a myriad of sources refuting your claim about getting better
> mileage with premium gas, but if using premium causes *you* to get
> better gas mileage to the point of being economically justifiable,
> whether you drive the car easier, monitor the tire pressure more often,
> or whatever, then by all means do it.
>
> According to this article, the reviewer got 45 on the highway in a 95
> Tercel... and I bet they *weren't* using premium gas...
> [url]http://www.internetautoguide.com/reviews/45-int/compact-cars/toyota/tercel/1995/index.html[/url][/color]
I haven't checked this yet, but I did notice a decrease in mileage when I
switched to 89 Octane in order to save a few pennies. When I ran the
numbers, using MPG obtained with 89 Octane and 93 Octane, and using a 10
cent difference (that's what it is, ALWAYS where I live) then I come up
with a fuel savings of $200 over the 30,000 miles.
I also had an Automatic Trans in that car...
[color=blue]
>
> My 87 Camry would get over 40 on the highway without even trying
> hard... on *regular* gas. It's EPA rating was 25 city/31 highway.
>
> I too think the Prius makes much more of an "eco-friendly" statement
> than do anything concrete in terms of saving energy (or especially
> money) when you consider its cost and the cost and aftermath of
> disposing of its batteries. But at least Toyota is doing *something*
> to move us toward a more energy-efficient future.
>
>
> Hachiroku wrote:[color=green]
>> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:39:44 -0700, Mark wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Hachi, *don't* throw your money away like that on premium! I never
>> > heard Shell being accused of having the cheapest gas, maybe it's
>> > different in Mass. I go to Wal-Mart down here, use their gift card and
>> > get an extra .03 off per gallon. Hess is also a good bet to have the
>> > cheapest gas (Scott, is that what you see too?)[/color]
>>
>> ARRRGGGHHHHH!!! HESS!!!!
>> I had a next door neighbor who ran a Hess station, and he TOLD me, DON'T
>> buy your gas here!!!
>>
>> Did you see the post where I did a study with my Tercel? Slightly
>> different car, but I managed 43-45 MPG (usually, right in the middle at
>> 44) with 93 Octane. I almost laughed out loud yesterday when a woman that
>> owns a Prius said, "I get 45 MPG". She bought her car new for $26,000; I
>> bought my '95 Tercel in 2001 for $1400. It was a good car; I should have
>> kept it, but I *REALLY* wanted the Supra! (I don't regret the deal too
>> much on warm, sunny days with the roof off and 700 Watts pumping!)
>>
>>
>> All in all, it cost me $200 LESS using 93 Octane over 30,000 miles I drove
>> the Tercel. Mileage using mid-grade (89 Octane) was 38-40 MPG.
>>
>> I also tracked mileage over 240,000 miles with my Corolla GTS, and noticed
>> the same thing. The difference wasn't as stunning, however. 31-33 MPG on
>> Mid-Grade, 35-37 MPG using 93.
>>
>>[/color][/color]
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