IM ASKING FOR DONATIONS FOR HEART SURGERY

It's the "Studebaker XUV", built on a Ford F-350 platform if I remember
right. I don't know if any production ones were actually built.

It's for people who think a Hummer is just too wimpy <G>

Jeff DeWitt

Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:55:27 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>That didn't work out so well and the company changed hands again and
>>moved to the Atlanta area, now they have moved production to Mexico, but
>>they ARE still around.
>>
>>[url]http://www.avantimotors.com[/url]
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt[/color]
>
>
>
> HOLY CRAP!!!!
>
> What the HELL is that SUV that makes a Hummer look like a toy?!?!?!
>
>
>
>
>[color=green]
>>Hachiroku wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:09:13 +0000, nobody > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hachiroku wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:31:53 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>More than that, Studebaker sponsored the show, supplied the cars, and
>>>>>>and Mr. Ed actually started out as a syndicated show (with Studebakers
>>>>>>strong support) before it was picked up by CBS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Wikipedia article mentions the Addisons (the Posts well of
>>>>>>neighbors) having a 63 Avanti. One of my earliest memories of seeing a
>>>>>>car on TV was Mr. Addisons Avanti, I had no idea what it was but I knew
>>>>>>it was cool and I really liked it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, that's right.
>>>>>
>>>>>There was someone in town here that had an Avanti way back when.
>>>>>There was one for sale about 3 years ago, but the guy selling it KNEW what
>>>>>he had!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My cousin (who is a Stude fanatic) found and bought a '63 Avanti for
>>>>$12k about 5 years ago. It was in good to excellemt shape but also came
>>>>with a trailerload of spare parts including a complete R3 engine. He's
>>>>been offered $27K for it recently!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Whatever happened to the guy that bought the Avanti factory back in the
>>>80's? He was making a go of it for a while, and then never heard from
>>>again.[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

Most of us on the NG (US dweller, that is) see Mexican-built cars
everyday.

The last VW bugs were built in Mexico, too, IIRC..

Karl

Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:55:27 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>[color=green]
> > That didn't work out so well and the company changed hands again and
> > moved to the Atlanta area, now they have moved production to Mexico, but
> > they ARE still around.
> >
> > [url]http://www.avantimotors.com[/url]
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt[/color]
>
> LOL! Mexican built Studies?!?!?!
>
>[color=green]
> >
> > Hachiroku wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:09:13 +0000, nobody > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hachiroku wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:31:53 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>More than that, Studebaker sponsored the show, supplied the cars, and
> >>>>>and Mr. Ed actually started out as a syndicated show (with Studebakers
> >>>>>strong support) before it was picked up by CBS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>The Wikipedia article mentions the Addisons (the Posts well of
> >>>>>neighbors) having a 63 Avanti. One of my earliest memories of seeing a
> >>>>>car on TV was Mr. Addisons Avanti, I had no idea what it was but I knew
> >>>>>it was cool and I really liked it.
> >>>>
> >>>>Yeah, that's right.
> >>>>
> >>>>There was someone in town here that had an Avanti way back when.
> >>>>There was one for sale about 3 years ago, but the guy selling it KNEW what
> >>>>he had!
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>My cousin (who is a Stude fanatic) found and bought a '63 Avanti for
> >>>$12k about 5 years ago. It was in good to excellemt shape but also came
> >>>with a trailerload of spare parts including a complete R3 engine. He's
> >>>been offered $27K for it recently!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Whatever happened to the guy that bought the Avanti factory back in the
> >> 80's? He was making a go of it for a while, and then never heard from
> >> again.[/color][/color][/color]

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:41:22 -0700, [email]midlant@earthlink.net[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
> Most of us on the NG (US dweller, that is) see Mexican-built cars
> everyday.
>
> The last VW bugs were built in Mexico, too, IIRC..
>
> Karl[/color]


Ya, but if your history serves you, you will remember that Studebaker made
their fame and fortune building Conestoga wagons in the 1800's, and
sucessfully (for a while) made the switch to the auto business, first
building custom bodies for other vehicle manufacturers, and then building
cars all (or mostly) by themselves. They did have some help in the Engine
bay a few times during their lifetime...


[color=blue]
>
> Hachiroku wrote:[color=green]
>> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:55:27 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > That didn't work out so well and the company changed hands again and
>> > moved to the Atlanta area, now they have moved production to Mexico,
>> > but they ARE still around.
>> >
>> > [url]http://www.avantimotors.com[/url]
>> >
>> > Jeff DeWitt[/color]
>>
>> LOL! Mexican built Studies?!?!?!
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Hachiroku wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:09:13 +0000, nobody > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Hachiroku wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:31:53 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>More than that, Studebaker sponsored the show, supplied the cars,
>> >>>>>and and Mr. Ed actually started out as a syndicated show (with
>> >>>>>Studebakers strong support) before it was picked up by CBS.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>The Wikipedia article mentions the Addisons (the Posts well of
>> >>>>>neighbors) having a 63 Avanti. One of my earliest memories of
>> >>>>>seeing a car on TV was Mr. Addisons Avanti, I had no idea what it
>> >>>>>was but I knew it was cool and I really liked it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Yeah, that's right.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>There was someone in town here that had an Avanti way back when.
>> >>>>There was one for sale about 3 years ago, but the guy selling it
>> >>>>KNEW what he had!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>My cousin (who is a Stude fanatic) found and bought a '63 Avanti for
>> >>>$12k about 5 years ago. It was in good to excellemt shape but also
>> >>>came with a trailerload of spare parts including a complete R3
>> >>>engine. He's been offered $27K for it recently!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Whatever happened to the guy that bought the Avanti factory back in
>> >> the 80's? He was making a go of it for a while, and then never heard
>> >> from again.[/color][/color][/color]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:31:53 GMT, Jeffrey DeWitt
<JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>More than that, Studebaker sponsored the show, supplied the cars, and
>and Mr. Ed actually started out as a syndicated show (with Studebakers
>strong support) before it was picked up by CBS.
>
>The Wikipedia article mentions the Addisons (the Posts well of
>neighbors) having a 63 Avanti. One of my earliest memories of seeing a
>car on TV was Mr. Addisons Avanti, I had no idea what it was but I knew
>it was cool and I really liked it.[/color]

I used to see Avantis driving around during the time I was in High
School. I could never decide whether I liked them or not. :-)

Not quite.

They started building cars in 1902 (electric ones) and shortly after
that made the switch to gas power. Studebaker was the only one of the
big wagon manufacturers to survive the transition to automobiles.

The only "help" they had in the engine bay was in the 56 Golden Hawk
with the Packard V8 and in 65 and 66 with the "Mckinnon" engines used
after the South Bend engine plant was shut down.

Yes, they only succeeded in the auto business "for a while", but that
was for over 60 years and all told they lasted for 113 years.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker[/url]

It remains to be seen if Ford, Chrysler or GM will last as long.

Jeff DeWitt

Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:41:22 -0700, [email]midlant@earthlink.net[/email] wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>Most of us on the NG (US dweller, that is) see Mexican-built cars
>>everyday.
>>
>>The last VW bugs were built in Mexico, too, IIRC..
>>
>>Karl[/color]
>
>
>
> Ya, but if your history serves you, you will remember that Studebaker made
> their fame and fortune building Conestoga wagons in the 1800's, and
> sucessfully (for a while) made the switch to the auto business, first
> building custom bodies for other vehicle manufacturers, and then building
> cars all (or mostly) by themselves. They did have some help in the Engine
> bay a few times during their lifetime...
>
>
>
>[color=green]
>>Hachiroku wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:55:27 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>That didn't work out so well and the company changed hands again and
>>>>moved to the Atlanta area, now they have moved production to Mexico,
>>>>but they ARE still around.
>>>>
>>>>[url]http://www.avantimotors.com[/url]
>>>>
>>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>LOL! Mexican built Studies?!?!?!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hachiroku wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:09:13 +0000, nobody > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hachiroku wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:31:53 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>More than that, Studebaker sponsored the show, supplied the cars,
>>>>>>>>and and Mr. Ed actually started out as a syndicated show (with
>>>>>>>>Studebakers strong support) before it was picked up by CBS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Wikipedia article mentions the Addisons (the Posts well of
>>>>>>>>neighbors) having a 63 Avanti. One of my earliest memories of
>>>>>>>>seeing a car on TV was Mr. Addisons Avanti, I had no idea what it
>>>>>>>>was but I knew it was cool and I really liked it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yeah, that's right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There was someone in town here that had an Avanti way back when.
>>>>>>>There was one for sale about 3 years ago, but the guy selling it
>>>>>>>KNEW what he had!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My cousin (who is a Stude fanatic) found and bought a '63 Avanti for
>>>>>>$12k about 5 years ago. It was in good to excellemt shape but also
>>>>>>came with a trailerload of spare parts including a complete R3
>>>>>>engine. He's been offered $27K for it recently!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Whatever happened to the guy that bought the Avanti factory back in
>>>>>the 80's? He was making a go of it for a while, and then never heard
>>>>>from again.[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:02:32 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
[color=blue]
> Not quite.
>
> They started building cars in 1902 (electric ones) and shortly after
> that made the switch to gas power. Studebaker was the only one of the
> big wagon manufacturers to survive the transition to automobiles.
>
> The only "help" they had in the engine bay was in the 56 Golden Hawk
> with the Packard V8 and in 65 and 66 with the "Mckinnon" engines used
> after the South Bend engine plant was shut down.
>
> Yes, they only succeeded in the auto business "for a while", but that
> was for over 60 years and all told they lasted for 113 years.[/color]

Well, I was being a little facetious! ;)

Yeah, they were around for quite a while! I will have to look at the Wiki
entry, because I'm pretty sure for a while they were a 'Coach builder' for
companies such as Packard and Deusenberg that didn't make their own bodies.

[color=blue]
>
> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker[/url]
>
> It remains to be seen if Ford, Chrysler or GM will last as long.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Hachiroku wrote:[color=green]
>> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:41:22 -0700, [email]midlant@earthlink.net[/email] wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Most of us on the NG (US dweller, that is) see Mexican-built cars
>>>everyday.
>>>
>>>The last VW bugs were built in Mexico, too, IIRC..
>>>
>>>Karl[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> Ya, but if your history serves you, you will remember that Studebaker made
>> their fame and fortune building Conestoga wagons in the 1800's, and
>> sucessfully (for a while) made the switch to the auto business, first
>> building custom bodies for other vehicle manufacturers, and then building
>> cars all (or mostly) by themselves. They did have some help in the Engine
>> bay a few times during their lifetime...
>>
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Hachiroku wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:55:27 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That didn't work out so well and the company changed hands again and
>>>>>moved to the Atlanta area, now they have moved production to Mexico,
>>>>>but they ARE still around.
>>>>>
>>>>>[url]http://www.avantimotors.com[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
>>>>LOL! Mexican built Studies?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hachiroku wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:09:13 +0000, nobody > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hachiroku wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:31:53 +0000, Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>More than that, Studebaker sponsored the show, supplied the cars,
>>>>>>>>>and and Mr. Ed actually started out as a syndicated show (with
>>>>>>>>>Studebakers strong support) before it was picked up by CBS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The Wikipedia article mentions the Addisons (the Posts well of
>>>>>>>>>neighbors) having a 63 Avanti. One of my earliest memories of
>>>>>>>>>seeing a car on TV was Mr. Addisons Avanti, I had no idea what it
>>>>>>>>>was but I knew it was cool and I really liked it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yeah, that's right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There was someone in town here that had an Avanti way back when.
>>>>>>>>There was one for sale about 3 years ago, but the guy selling it
>>>>>>>>KNEW what he had!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My cousin (who is a Stude fanatic) found and bought a '63 Avanti for
>>>>>>>$12k about 5 years ago. It was in good to excellemt shape but also
>>>>>>>came with a trailerload of spare parts including a complete R3
>>>>>>>engine. He's been offered $27K for it recently!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Whatever happened to the guy that bought the Avanti factory back in
>>>>>>the 80's? He was making a go of it for a while, and then never heard
>>>>>>from again.[/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]

Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:[color=blue]
> Not quite.
>
> They started building cars in 1902 (electric ones) and shortly after
> that made the switch to gas power. Studebaker was the only one of the
> big wagon manufacturers to survive the transition to automobiles.
>
> The only "help" they had in the engine bay was in the 56 Golden Hawk
> with the Packard V8 and in 65 and 66 with the "Mckinnon" engines used
> after the South Bend engine plant was shut down.
>
> Yes, they only succeeded in the auto business "for a while", but that
> was for over 60 years and all told they lasted for 113 years.
>
> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker[/url]
>
> It remains to be seen if Ford, Chrysler or GM will last as long.
>
> Jeff DeWitt[/color]

I think that there were several cases of taking over other cars that
had been designed and built, at least in prototype or limited
production form, by others.
I think this one would have trouble proving that all Electric, EMF and
Flanders and the first Rocknes were without quite a bit of outside
influence.
Obviously, we should exclude designing components of cars around
outside parts, to some extent.

Karl

I have never heard of a Packard, Duesenburg, or other non-Studebaker auto
which used a Studebaker-built custom body.

--
Barry'd in Studes

58 Packard Hawk
40 President
39 Coupe Exp.
59 DeLuxe 1/2 tn.
56 Packard "400"

<midlant@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1161154606.959213.267310@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
>
> Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:[color=green]
> > Not quite.
> >
> > They started building cars in 1902 (electric ones) and shortly after
> > that made the switch to gas power. Studebaker was the only one of the
> > big wagon manufacturers to survive the transition to automobiles.
> >
> > The only "help" they had in the engine bay was in the 56 Golden Hawk
> > with the Packard V8 and in 65 and 66 with the "Mckinnon" engines used
> > after the South Bend engine plant was shut down.
> >
> > Yes, they only succeeded in the auto business "for a while", but that
> > was for over 60 years and all told they lasted for 113 years.
> >
> > [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker[/url]
> >
> > It remains to be seen if Ford, Chrysler or GM will last as long.
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt[/color]
>
> I think that there were several cases of taking over other cars that
> had been designed and built, at least in prototype or limited
> production form, by others.
> I think this one would have trouble proving that all Electric, EMF and
> Flanders and the first Rocknes were without quite a bit of outside
> influence.
> Obviously, we should exclude designing components of cars around
> outside parts, to some extent.
>
> Karl
>[/color]

I'd like to thank all of you for turning another bullshit scam into a
really interesting history of Studebakers. Good on ya! And I'm NOT being
facetious. Kept me entertained for 5 minutes or so anyway. :-)

vern....


Hachiroku wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:28:39 +0000, Barry wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>> I have never heard of a Packard, Duesenburg, or other non-Studebaker auto
>> which used a Studebaker-built custom body.
>>[/color]
>
> That's interesting. I'll have to look into this, because I remember
> hearing when I was younger that that was how Studebaker got into the car
> building business!
>
>
>
>[color=green]
>> --
>> Barry'd in Studes
>>
>> 58 Packard Hawk
>> 40 President
>> 39 Coupe Exp.
>> 59 DeLuxe 1/2 tn.
>> 56 Packard "400"
>>
>> <midlant@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:1161154606.959213.267310@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not quite.
>>>>
>>>> They started building cars in 1902 (electric ones) and shortly after
>>>> that made the switch to gas power. Studebaker was the only one of the
>>>> big wagon manufacturers to survive the transition to automobiles.
>>>>
>>>> The only "help" they had in the engine bay was in the 56 Golden Hawk
>>>> with the Packard V8 and in 65 and 66 with the "Mckinnon" engines used
>>>> after the South Bend engine plant was shut down.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they only succeeded in the auto business "for a while", but that
>>>> was for over 60 years and all told they lasted for 113 years.
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker[/url]
>>>>
>>>> It remains to be seen if Ford, Chrysler or GM will last as long.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff DeWitt
>>>>
>>> I think that there were several cases of taking over other cars that
>>> had been designed and built, at least in prototype or limited
>>> production form, by others.
>>> I think this one would have trouble proving that all Electric, EMF and
>>> Flanders and the first Rocknes were without quite a bit of outside
>>> influence.
>>> Obviously, we should exclude designing components of cars around
>>> outside parts, to some extent.
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

With ya, Vern! I hope that Hach ends up with a sliding roof wagon with
a R3 in it!
At the drags!

Karl
Vern wrote:[color=blue]
> I'd like to thank all of you for turning another bullshit scam into a
> really interesting history of Studebakers. Good on ya! And I'm NOT being
> facetious. Kept me entertained for 5 minutes or so anyway. :-)
>
> vern....[/color]

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:54:33 -0700, [email]midlant@earthlink.net[/email] wrote:
[color=blue]
> With ya, Vern! I hope that Hach ends up with a sliding roof wagon with
> a R3 in it!
> At the drags!
>
> Karl
> Vern wrote:[color=green]
>> I'd like to thank all of you for turning another bullshit scam into a
>> really interesting history of Studebakers. Good on ya! And I'm NOT being
>> facetious. Kept me entertained for 5 minutes or so anyway. :-)
>>
>> vern....[/color][/color]

Actually, I'll take a Hawk. Or that '39 Coupe that looked like a cross
between a Ford and a Willy's!