2008 Corolla

First pictures of the US 2008 Corolla, that I know of.
[url]WWW.toyota.co.jp[/url] After that click on the Oct 10 news article. Really
would like to see the 4WD version here in the States.

On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:05:13 -0400, Garry Owen <GarryOwen@cox.net>
wrote:
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>First pictures of the US 2008 Corolla, that I know of.
>[url]WWW.toyota.co.jp[/url] After that click on the Oct 10 news article. Really
>would like to see the 4WD version here in the States.[/color]


Oh, and if you go to the Japanese country site there are more
pictures.

"Garry Owen" <GarryOwen@cox.net> wrote in message
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> First pictures of the US 2008 Corolla, that I know of.
> [url]WWW.toyota.co.jp[/url] After that click on the Oct 10 news article. Really
> would like to see the 4WD version here in the States.[/color]

I note that the new Corolla will be available with CVT (Continuously
Variable Transmission)

Is this a first for Toyota?

"mack" <mackerel@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Garry Owen" <GarryOwen@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:83koi2hldpucqp7bglciqjpfs0m2umrt63@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> First pictures of the US 2008 Corolla, that I know of.
>> [url]WWW.toyota.co.jp[/url] After that click on the Oct 10 news article. Really
>> would like to see the 4WD version here in the States.[/color]
>
> I note that the new Corolla will be available with CVT (Continuously
> Variable Transmission)
>
> Is this a first for Toyota?[/color]

No, Toyota hybrid vehicles have CVT's.
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Ray O
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"Garry Owen" <GarryOwen@cox.net> wrote in message
news:83koi2hldpucqp7bglciqjpfs0m2umrt63@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> First pictures of the US 2008 Corolla, that I know of.
> [url]WWW.toyota.co.jp[/url] After that click on the Oct 10 news article. Really
> would like to see the 4WD version here in the States.[/color]

Toyota used to sell All-Trac versions of the Corolla in the U.S., they were
not big sellers and were eventually discontinued.
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:41:39 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>"Garry Owen" <GarryOwen@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:83koi2hldpucqp7bglciqjpfs0m2umrt63@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> First pictures of the US 2008 Corolla, that I know of.
>> [url]WWW.toyota.co.jp[/url] After that click on the Oct 10 news article. Really
>> would like to see the 4WD version here in the States.[/color]
>
>Toyota used to sell All-Trac versions of the Corolla in the U.S., they were
>not big sellers and were eventually discontinued.[/color]

True, but then again that was before the SUV craze and then high gas
prices. Besides, IMHO, it was an ugly vehicle.

"Garry Owen" <GarryOwen@cox.net> wrote in message
news:83koi2hldpucqp7bglciqjpfs0m2umrt63@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> First pictures of the US 2008 Corolla, that I know of.
> [url]WWW.toyota.co.jp[/url] After that click on the Oct 10 news article. Really
> would like to see the 4WD version here in the States.[/color]

I wish they'd revert & make a liftback version again... I've been wishing
that since I bought my 2nd Corolla in '90. I loved my '84 Corolla liftback!

Cathy

"Garry Owen" <GarryOwen@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:41:39 -0500, "Ray O"
> <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
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>>
>>"Garry Owen" <GarryOwen@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:83koi2hldpucqp7bglciqjpfs0m2umrt63@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> First pictures of the US 2008 Corolla, that I know of.
>>> [url]WWW.toyota.co.jp[/url] After that click on the Oct 10 news article. Really
>>> would like to see the 4WD version here in the States.[/color]
>>
>>Toyota used to sell All-Trac versions of the Corolla in the U.S., they
>>were
>>not big sellers and were eventually discontinued.[/color]
>
> True, but then again that was before the SUV craze and then high gas
> prices. Besides, IMHO, it was an ugly vehicle.[/color]

I'd like to see All-Trac versions of all models from the Corolla on up, or
at least on wagons. I think they would offer a practical solution for
people who want the additional traction offered by all wheel or four wheel
drive without the added bulk that most SUV's add.
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Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I'd like to see All-Trac versions of all models from the Corolla on up, or
> at least on wagons. I think they would offer a practical solution for
> people who want the additional traction offered by all wheel or four wheel
> drive without the added bulk that most SUV's add.[/color]

I'd like to see Corolla & Camry Wagons. I am in the process of replacing
my 1991 Corolla DX Wagon (just crossed 100K), and I am settling for a
RAV4 which is much less fuel efficient and has some (to me) sill things
like the power seat! Sheesh, like how often do I have to adjust that,
and all that extra bulk I am carrying along for the life of the car.
And 6 CD changer? One is more than enough for me.

No wonder mpgs suffer with all that extra stuff as part of the car.
I get 37mpg highway with my 15+ year old car, this one is rated at
30mpg highway, and that sounds perhaps optimistic.

It does have a bunch of safety features I do want (main reason for
getting a new car) such as airbags, ABS, and ESC, so in that respect
I guess the additional features will add some weight etc.

Didn't like the Matrix.

Esmail

"Esmail Bonakdarian" <ebonakDUH@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9etXg.5432$WD1.2731@trndny04...[color=blue]
> Ray O wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> I'd like to see All-Trac versions of all models from the Corolla on up,
>> or at least on wagons. I think they would offer a practical solution for
>> people who want the additional traction offered by all wheel or four
>> wheel drive without the added bulk that most SUV's add.[/color]
>
> I'd like to see Corolla & Camry Wagons. I am in the process of replacing
> my 1991 Corolla DX Wagon (just crossed 100K), and I am settling for a
> RAV4 which is much less fuel efficient and has some (to me) sill things
> like the power seat! Sheesh, like how often do I have to adjust that,
> and all that extra bulk I am carrying along for the life of the car.
> And 6 CD changer? One is more than enough for me.
>
> No wonder mpgs suffer with all that extra stuff as part of the car.
> I get 37mpg highway with my 15+ year old car, this one is rated at
> 30mpg highway, and that sounds perhaps optimistic.
>
> It does have a bunch of safety features I do want (main reason for
> getting a new car) such as airbags, ABS, and ESC, so in that respect
> I guess the additional features will add some weight etc.
>
> Didn't like the Matrix.
>
> Esmail[/color]

I think the popularity of SUV's pretty much killed the market for station
wagons ("estates" to our friends in Europe and "vans" to our friends in
Japan) in the U.S. The Corolla used to offered with the All-Trac drivetrain
in sedans and wagons, and the Camry was offered with All-Trac only in
sedans. Subaru pretty much has the small wagon market all to itself now,
even though their fuel mileage is not much better than small SUV's.
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Ray O
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Ray O wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Subaru pretty much has the small wagon market all to itself now,
> even though their fuel mileage is not much better than small SUV's.[/color]

100% right .. in fact I was looking at the Legacy and Outback Wagons,
and their mpg is similar or perhaps even slightly worse than the
2WD I4 RAV4.

I might have even bought one, if the dealership hadn't been so rotten,
and Subaru corporate would have acknowledged my letter of complaint.
I crossed Subaru off my list permanently.

I think the RAV4 will be more fun to drive anyway :-)

"Esmail Bonakdarian" <ebonakDUH@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ray O wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> Subaru pretty much has the small wagon market all to itself now, even
>> though their fuel mileage is not much better than small SUV's.[/color]
>
> 100% right .. in fact I was looking at the Legacy and Outback Wagons,
> and their mpg is similar or perhaps even slightly worse than the
> 2WD I4 RAV4.
>
> I might have even bought one, if the dealership hadn't been so rotten,
> and Subaru corporate would have acknowledged my letter of complaint.
> I crossed Subaru off my list permanently.
>
> I think the RAV4 will be more fun to drive anyway :-)[/color]

I've seen lots of customer satisfaction surveys, most of which are not
available to the public. In general, customer loyalty to Toyota, Honda,
Nissan, and Subaru brands are much higher than loyalty to the dealerships.
In other words, people were likely to purchase another vehicle of the same
brand, but not from the same dealership. Customer loyalty to dealerships
was much higher at GM dealerships than at Toyota dealerships. I called on
quite a few dealerships that sold brands other than Toyotas, and for the
most part, stores that sold GM brands did a very good job with their
customers.
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Ray O
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:20:43 -0400, "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net>
wrote:
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>
>"Garry Owen" <GarryOwen@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:83koi2hldpucqp7bglciqjpfs0m2umrt63@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> First pictures of the US 2008 Corolla, that I know of.
>> [url]WWW.toyota.co.jp[/url] After that click on the Oct 10 news article. Really
>> would like to see the 4WD version here in the States.[/color]
>
>I wish they'd revert & make a liftback version again... I've been wishing
>that since I bought my 2nd Corolla in '90. I loved my '84 Corolla liftback!
>
>Cathy[/color]


Americans in general do not like liftbacks. The attitude is that if
I'm going to have to open the back of the car to put something in give
me a wagon or a SUV. They just have never caught on here.

Come to thing of it I don't remember seeing a liftback when I was
digging around Toyotas Japanese site the other day. Xa and Matrix
types yes but no liftbacks, but I could be wrong. And before someone
says Prius, I think of it more as a hatchback.

"Garry Owen" <GarryOwen@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:20:43 -0400, "Cathy F." <clfr@adelphiadot.net>
> wrote:
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>>
>>"Garry Owen" <GarryOwen@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:83koi2hldpucqp7bglciqjpfs0m2umrt63@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> First pictures of the US 2008 Corolla, that I know of.
>>> [url]WWW.toyota.co.jp[/url] After that click on the Oct 10 news article. Really
>>> would like to see the 4WD version here in the States.[/color]
>>
>>I wish they'd revert & make a liftback version again... I've been wishing
>>that since I bought my 2nd Corolla in '90. I loved my '84 Corolla
>>liftback!
>>
>>Cathy[/color]
>
>
> Americans in general do not like liftbacks. The attitude is that if
> I'm going to have to open the back of the car to put something in give
> me a wagon or a SUV. They just have never caught on here.
>
> Come to thing of it I don't remember seeing a liftback when I was
> digging around Toyotas Japanese site the other day. Xa and Matrix
> types yes but no liftbacks, but I could be wrong. And before someone
> says Prius, I think of it more as a hatchback.[/color]

Isn't a liftback the same as a hatchback??

Cathy
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>[/color]

Cathy F. wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Isn't a liftback the same as a hatchback??[/color]

I'm confused too .. I just assumed it was the same.